RE: Mansory F12 La Revoluzione
Discussion
Hellbound said:
virgilio said:
ok, it's based on a Ferrari so Mansory wanted to give it an italian name.
But at least he should have just checked the dictionary: "Revoluzione" does not even exist in italian (or in any other langauage btw): it should be "Rivoluzione". Same horrific, but at least not so moronic.
I know these are petty things, and few customers speak Italian, but it drives me nuts that people release a new product to the press and don't even make the effort of spellchecking the product's name. the NAME for c***st sake, not the small text of the press release! THE NAME!
Funny, I thought the name could be pretty much anything you wanted it to be. Manufacturers have been changing and spelling of and inventing names since time and memorial. Nothing new there.But at least he should have just checked the dictionary: "Revoluzione" does not even exist in italian (or in any other langauage btw): it should be "Rivoluzione". Same horrific, but at least not so moronic.
I know these are petty things, and few customers speak Italian, but it drives me nuts that people release a new product to the press and don't even make the effort of spellchecking the product's name. the NAME for c***st sake, not the small text of the press release! THE NAME!
I'm surprised Ferrari allows this sort of "tweakery" on its products, particularly after they've lashed out at that one individual who stretched their 360. It sure is odd how they allow some modifications but not others...unless they have some sort of alliance with Mansory directly.
Anyways, that sure is a massive power hike...but all in vein as far as I can see really. The standard car certainly won't be far behind and I suspect the power will be far more manageable in the factory version too.
Anyways, that sure is a massive power hike...but all in vein as far as I can see really. The standard car certainly won't be far behind and I suspect the power will be far more manageable in the factory version too.
bozzy101 said:
At the ripe old age of 28, I fear I'm now getting to the point of being "old and uncool". The author used the word "natch" part way through the article. I'm afraid to say I haven't got the foggiest idea what this means? I'm assuming this is some hip new slang term the kids are using? Would anybody care to enlighten me?
Im 31 and had to ask my partner.her response was "natch means naturally.Obvs....." christ!loudlashadjuster said:
Ignoring the obvious taste issues, I'm having a hard time believing their power figures.
730bhp to 1200 bhp, a 64% increase
509lbs/ft to only 656lbs/ft though, just 29% up on standard
Has there ever been a road car with such a low quoted torque figure compared to the headline power output?
Is it even possible to increase power by such a large amount without upping the torque more significantly?
I agree with you, something is wrong here. It would have to rev to at least 9600 rpm @ max torque, or since torque is usually dropping off at high revs, then to 10,000+ rpm to hit 1200 hp. So either the hp or torque figure must be wrong.730bhp to 1200 bhp, a 64% increase
509lbs/ft to only 656lbs/ft though, just 29% up on standard
Has there ever been a road car with such a low quoted torque figure compared to the headline power output?
Is it even possible to increase power by such a large amount without upping the torque more significantly?
Edited by loudlashadjuster on Thursday 12th September 12:52
DB9VolanteDriver said:
loudlashadjuster said:
Ignoring the obvious taste issues, I'm having a hard time believing their power figures.
730bhp to 1200 bhp, a 64% increase
509lbs/ft to only 656lbs/ft though, just 29% up on standard
Has there ever been a road car with such a low quoted torque figure compared to the headline power output?
Is it even possible to increase power by such a large amount without upping the torque more significantly?
I agree with you, something is wrong here. It would have to rev to at least 9600 rpm @ max torque, or since torque is usually dropping off at high revs, then to 10,000+ rpm to hit 1200 hp. So either the hp or torque figure must be wrong.730bhp to 1200 bhp, a 64% increase
509lbs/ft to only 656lbs/ft though, just 29% up on standard
Has there ever been a road car with such a low quoted torque figure compared to the headline power output?
Is it even possible to increase power by such a large amount without upping the torque more significantly?
Edited by loudlashadjuster on Thursday 12th September 12:52
DB9VolanteDriver said:
loudlashadjuster said:
Ignoring the obvious taste issues, I'm having a hard time believing their power figures.
730bhp to 1200 bhp, a 64% increase
509lbs/ft to only 656lbs/ft though, just 29% up on standard
Has there ever been a road car with such a low quoted torque figure compared to the headline power output?
Is it even possible to increase power by such a large amount without upping the torque more significantly?
I agree with you, something is wrong here. It would have to rev to at least 9600 rpm @ max torque, or since torque is usually dropping off at high revs, then to 10,000+ rpm to hit 1200 hp. So either the hp or torque figure must be wrong.730bhp to 1200 bhp, a 64% increase
509lbs/ft to only 656lbs/ft though, just 29% up on standard
Has there ever been a road car with such a low quoted torque figure compared to the headline power output?
Is it even possible to increase power by such a large amount without upping the torque more significantly?
Edited by loudlashadjuster on Thursday 12th September 12:52
A 6.0 V12 twin turbo Ferrari with 1200hp may be possible but rebuilding and redesigning the engine from scratch, maybe we will see it done by ferrari itself 10 years from now...
Even assuming the claimed figures were somehow correct, that is going to be undriveable. Everyone already complains the F12 is frantic, darty and too fast for the road, sounds ripe for a 60 odd % power hike.
As for the styling, I actually like it, and I usually hate Mansory as much as everyone else. But.. I'd never buy a front engined rwd car with this much power even if I were a billionaire.
As for the styling, I actually like it, and I usually hate Mansory as much as everyone else. But.. I'd never buy a front engined rwd car with this much power even if I were a billionaire.
Edited by FisiP1 on Thursday 12th September 18:30
virgilio said:
Hellbound said:
Funny, I thought the name could be pretty much anything you wanted it to be. Manufacturers have been changing and spelling of and inventing names since time and memorial. Nothing new there.
There are many cars with invented names (normally quite stupid sounding, like Mondeo, Touran, Sharan, Vectra, etc), but in this case the name has to mean something, hence the article "La" before the name. If you called a car Corrado or Camry you would be a boring corporate exec who can only think in a committee, but if you called it "Tuor da Franse" instead of Tour de France, or Scudderio instead of Scuderia, you would be a pathetic idiot whose financial success stains the validity of capitalist principles.
As for the actual car, it's not for me. Though, I actually don't like it any less than the "regular" F12. Neither can exactly be called pretty and the regular F12 is already overpowered (maybe I'm getting old).
That being said, I wouldn't turn down a drive in either, as I've always wondered what it's like to drive a top-echelon hypercar.
Is the power/torque ratio all that unusual for a high-revving engine? The e60 M5 had over 500BHP yet only had 380 lb.-ft. of torque. The Ferrari 355 and 348 also had ridiculously low torque levels IIRC.
That being said, I wouldn't turn down a drive in either, as I've always wondered what it's like to drive a top-echelon hypercar.
Is the power/torque ratio all that unusual for a high-revving engine? The e60 M5 had over 500BHP yet only had 380 lb.-ft. of torque. The Ferrari 355 and 348 also had ridiculously low torque levels IIRC.
gwm said:
I wonder how many cars like this Mansory actually sells? Maybe not many, hence they need a massive mark up to make any money
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