RE: BMW M135i vs Renaultsport Megane 265
Discussion
BS75 said:
Ellieb10 said:
In our next report we compare the M135i with a Mazda Bongo Friendee with wood effect steering wheel!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mazda-bongo-friendee-/39...
Not even remotely fair this time around. RS hot-hatch royalty vs M Sport muscle-hatch is exactly the sort of comparison people were howling for when they did the M135i Vs Cayman comparison. Proof that some are never satisfied... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mazda-bongo-friendee-/39...
Beefmeister said:
To all those (quite rightly) complaining about the 1er's looks, I'd wait for the new 2-Series to come out, it looks rather good:
That's the M235i apparently, so the same oily bits and setup as the M135i, only better looking.
Winner.
(I think most who buy M135i's like myself need the hatch boot. M235i for different needs.)That's the M235i apparently, so the same oily bits and setup as the M135i, only better looking.
Winner.
Good comparison. Megane is fun & fast, BMW is fast & fun plus the rare treat of a big 6 cylinder engine rather than yet another blown 4. That's what tips it.
It's an interesting thing, looks. I do think that, subjectively the Megane is overall a more resolved design than the 1-series, but actually really that just comes down to the comedy headlights that just look like they were nicked off a totally different car. The rest of the design I like. I like the cab-back old-school proportions. I'm sure the "big car" feel is aided by having a decent expanse of bonnet in front of you (ahem).
For what it's worth, in 11 months of ownership, only one person told me they found my car ugly. The rest have all been surprisingly complimentary.
For what it's worth, in 11 months of ownership, only one person told me they found my car ugly. The rest have all been surprisingly complimentary.
And of course the Renault will be a shed , living its life only a moment away from MOT failure, long before the BMW will be - at least on past performance.
How many Renault 11 Turbo's are there left now? Next to none I think.
Even the Renault 19 16V, in many ways the spiritual predecessor of the Megane and only around in the 1990's, has long since disappeared from our roads. When was the last time you saw one?
How many Renault 11 Turbo's are there left now? Next to none I think.
Even the Renault 19 16V, in many ways the spiritual predecessor of the Megane and only around in the 1990's, has long since disappeared from our roads. When was the last time you saw one?
Wolands Advocate said:
It's an interesting thing, looks. I do think that, subjectively the Megane is overall a more resolved design than the 1-series, but actually really that just comes down to the comedy headlights that just look like they were nicked off a totally different car. The rest of the design I like. I like the cab-back old-school proportions. I'm sure the "big car" feel is aided by having a decent expanse of bonnet in front of you (ahem).
For what it's worth, in 11 months of ownership, only one person told me they found my car ugly. The rest have all been surprisingly complimentary.
That's because the moaners here have never seen an M135 in the flesh!For what it's worth, in 11 months of ownership, only one person told me they found my car ugly. The rest have all been surprisingly complimentary.
toppstuff said:
And of course the Renault will be a shed , living its life only a moment away from MOT failure, long before the BMW will be - at least on past performance.
How many Renault 11 Turbo's are there left now? Next to none I think.
Even the Renault 19 16V, in many ways the spiritual predecessor of the Megane and only around in the 1990's, has long since disappeared from our roads. When was the last time you saw one?
Maybe your right but I've done 36k miles in my Trophy, its never had anything break or fall off or stop working, its entirely rattle free and feels as solid as it did when it was new.How many Renault 11 Turbo's are there left now? Next to none I think.
Even the Renault 19 16V, in many ways the spiritual predecessor of the Megane and only around in the 1990's, has long since disappeared from our roads. When was the last time you saw one?
Things change over time you know. And BMW are not quite the paragon of virtue you might think they are.
I bought a brand new M135i, adaptive and flappy paddle. 4 months later back to the dealer. It was like driving playstation - electric steering has no feel, balance of car was slightly odd leaving you at the point of over 7/10ths as a passenger, comfort too soft, sport too synthetic, flappy paddle left me emotionless even while hoofin it!
Just bought a 1M and it is well more like it. Feel through the hydraulic steering, 1 suspension setting, terriffic balance, and a manual gearbox - thats before you even get onto rarity, residuals looks etc.
New cars with all this electric stuff might be good for the enviroment but it's is not good news for the future of drivers needs so i do believe the 1M, RS4 B7 and the likes could be the last of the kind - get them while you can still get a good one!
How do i set my barometer for cars? My Caterham R500 is pretty good for that but If i had to choose between the two tested it would be a 2yr old Megan!
Just bought a 1M and it is well more like it. Feel through the hydraulic steering, 1 suspension setting, terriffic balance, and a manual gearbox - thats before you even get onto rarity, residuals looks etc.
New cars with all this electric stuff might be good for the enviroment but it's is not good news for the future of drivers needs so i do believe the 1M, RS4 B7 and the likes could be the last of the kind - get them while you can still get a good one!
How do i set my barometer for cars? My Caterham R500 is pretty good for that but If i had to choose between the two tested it would be a 2yr old Megan!
Edited by Ollieb7 on Friday 13th September 17:57
toppstuff said:
And of course the Renault will be a shed , living its life only a moment away from MOT failure, long before the BMW will be - at least on past performance.
How many Renault 11 Turbo's are there left now? Next to none I think.
Even the Renault 19 16V, in many ways the spiritual predecessor of the Megane and only around in the 1990's, has long since disappeared from our roads. When was the last time you saw one?
Where is that "can't tell if you are joking" picture when you need it. (BTW Renault have improved their design and manufacturing processes in the last 20/30 years. Amazing, I know!)How many Renault 11 Turbo's are there left now? Next to none I think.
Even the Renault 19 16V, in many ways the spiritual predecessor of the Megane and only around in the 1990's, has long since disappeared from our roads. When was the last time you saw one?
Oddball RS said:
corden said:
Johnnytheboy said:
There's a facelift in 2014 which may address the Marmite appearance.
Marmite appearance? I haven't heard of anyone who 'loves' it!And that facelift can't come soon enough.
Ollieb7 said:
I bought a brand new M135i, adaptive and flappy paddle. 4 months later back to the dealer. It was like driving playstation - electric steering has no feel, balance of car was slightly odd leaving you at the point of over 7/10ths as a passenger, comfort too soft, sport too synthetic, flappy paddle left me emotionless even while hoofin it!
Just bought a 1M and it is well more like it. Feel through the hydraulic steering, 1 suspension setting, terriffic balance, and a manual gearbox - thats before you even get onto rarity, residuals looks etc.
^^ That's why I never even considered ordering the automatic version. Having tried an RS3 and failed to get on with it because of the DSG gearbox, I just knew I'd find the automatic insufficiently involving. The gearbox in my manual M135i is the same dry-sumped affair as in the 1M and is a joyous thing to palm about. I have driven the 1M in anger and yes, I'd have one of those (black please) in heartbeat if a slightly gnarly 2-seat coupe would do the trick, but the M135i is a much more user-friendly everyday prospect. Rather like the Megane (from the sounds of things), the 1M is only ever really Mr Hyde, whereas the M135i has its mini-monster side (in manual guise at leas) but can do the whole smooth Doctor thing too, whilst having a much more practical 5dr bodyshell and using significantly less fuel. Yes, it's more anonymous but then that's rather appealing and besides I have another car I can use if I really want to be stared at...Just bought a 1M and it is well more like it. Feel through the hydraulic steering, 1 suspension setting, terriffic balance, and a manual gearbox - thats before you even get onto rarity, residuals looks etc.
Roma101 said:
toppstuff said:
And of course the Renault will be a shed , living its life only a moment away from MOT failure, long before the BMW will be - at least on past performance.
How many Renault 11 Turbo's are there left now? Next to none I think.
Even the Renault 19 16V, in many ways the spiritual predecessor of the Megane and only around in the 1990's, has long since disappeared from our roads. When was the last time you saw one?
Where is that "can't tell if you are joking" picture when you need it. (BTW Renault have improved their design and manufacturing processes in the last 20/30 years. Amazing, I know!)How many Renault 11 Turbo's are there left now? Next to none I think.
Even the Renault 19 16V, in many ways the spiritual predecessor of the Megane and only around in the 1990's, has long since disappeared from our roads. When was the last time you saw one?
Come to that, even first generation Meganes are disappearing from our roads.
Clios and Lagunas too - all being scrapped at a rapid rate.
In contrast, you still see plenty of old 3 series BMWs knocking around. I don't for a moment believe things have suddenly changed and the French are suddenly making cars with deep down build quality. And there is no evidence in the modern reliability surveys to suggest things are changing either.
In short. This shiny Megane will be a shed not long after the finance payments are finished.
Well I like the result - which is good news as my RB8 is ready to collect from the dealers now 
But I also do like the BMW. I chose the RB8 though as I thought it looked a bit nicer, better spec for the money (costs a lot to spec up a few toys in the BMW) and my previous experience dealing with BMW customer services has been abysmal so I thought I'd put my money elsewhere!
I'm sure that both are excellent in many ways and either would put a big smile on most peoples faces. RB8 likely to depreciate much more but that's not something I tend to let bother me these days.
But I also do like the BMW. I chose the RB8 though as I thought it looked a bit nicer, better spec for the money (costs a lot to spec up a few toys in the BMW) and my previous experience dealing with BMW customer services has been abysmal so I thought I'd put my money elsewhere!
I'm sure that both are excellent in many ways and either would put a big smile on most peoples faces. RB8 likely to depreciate much more but that's not something I tend to let bother me these days.
toppstuff said:
Roma101 said:
toppstuff said:
And of course the Renault will be a shed , living its life only a moment away from MOT failure, long before the BMW will be - at least on past performance.
How many Renault 11 Turbo's are there left now? Next to none I think.
Even the Renault 19 16V, in many ways the spiritual predecessor of the Megane and only around in the 1990's, has long since disappeared from our roads. When was the last time you saw one?
Where is that "can't tell if you are joking" picture when you need it. (BTW Renault have improved their design and manufacturing processes in the last 20/30 years. Amazing, I know!)How many Renault 11 Turbo's are there left now? Next to none I think.
Even the Renault 19 16V, in many ways the spiritual predecessor of the Megane and only around in the 1990's, has long since disappeared from our roads. When was the last time you saw one?
Come to that, even first generation Meganes are disappearing from our roads.
Clios and Lagunas too - all being scrapped at a rapid rate.
In contrast, you still see plenty of old 3 series BMWs knocking around. I don't for a moment believe things have suddenly changed and the French are suddenly making cars with deep down build quality. And there is no evidence in the modern reliability surveys to suggest things are changing either.
In short. This shiny Megane will be a shed not long after the finance payments are finished.
Johnnytheboy said:
russy01 said:
Chris harris took the M135i around a track at a pretty much full pace, faster than most of us guys would comfortably drive. Whilst he said it would be nice to have an LSD it didnt ruin the car for him if it were to be used on road most of the time.
So how can the lack of an LSD always be such a talking point/negative point when 99% of cars purchased are going to driven on the road at 70mph with the odd blat down a motorway slip road.
Unless people are driving way beyond their limits on the road OR use the throttle as a on or off switch I don't see how it would be a problem.
For constant track use its a different story, but you would probably looking at something other than an M135i in that case.
Autocar did a piece with their long-termer vs one with an aftermarket LSD and said it made the car a lot better. So how can the lack of an LSD always be such a talking point/negative point when 99% of cars purchased are going to driven on the road at 70mph with the odd blat down a motorway slip road.
Unless people are driving way beyond their limits on the road OR use the throttle as a on or off switch I don't see how it would be a problem.
For constant track use its a different story, but you would probably looking at something other than an M135i in that case.
Oddball RS said:
corden said:
Johnnytheboy said:
There's a facelift in 2014 which may address the Marmite appearance.
Marmite appearance? I haven't heard of anyone who 'loves' it!And that facelift can't come soon enough.
Don't get me wrong, I think it looks gopping at the moment, but BMWs always seem to have a design which looks hideous, but ages beautifully. Remember when the E60 5 series and E85 Z4 came out? The looks were extremely challenging (saw a lot of dame edna pictures posted about) but they now look much sharper than the equivalent E-class or Boxster. Even the original 1-series looks well resolved in coupe and 3-door form. Perhaps we just need to wait a few years for it to grow old gracefully?
Well despite the very hard-to-follow article, I, for one, am really enjoying all the reviews of the M135i. And the reviews have suited me immensely - I have been considering a cayman or the 1er. Ultimately for me, I want the hatch practicality which the 1M or 2er can;t deliver(despite having a 530 touring) because even when I want to cane it I often have a bike or wakeboard in the boot. I might also have an addiction to the straight sixes having come from the Z4 - love how smooth they are.
Agree totally re: the 20s=megane, 30s=Bimmer comment. I'm going to take the auto option too because I bet I don't even approach 7/10ths and really all I want is to hoof it out of a roundabout, up a slip road or overtaking. Most of the time I just enjoy comfortable power. Makes me sound a bit naff but hey ho! Just waiting for a nice black one...
Agree totally re: the 20s=megane, 30s=Bimmer comment. I'm going to take the auto option too because I bet I don't even approach 7/10ths and really all I want is to hoof it out of a roundabout, up a slip road or overtaking. Most of the time I just enjoy comfortable power. Makes me sound a bit naff but hey ho! Just waiting for a nice black one...
k, it just does not look right. Why the hell are BMW taking so long to release the 2 series and M235i; at leas that looks decent.It's difficult to decide.
The BMW will clearly get you a better quality type of clunge but the sort that will expect an expensive meal before and could be quite time consuming with all their texting and calling afterwards.
The Renault is going to lead to clunge with much lower expectations but higher chances of an STI.
Horses for courses.
The BMW will clearly get you a better quality type of clunge but the sort that will expect an expensive meal before and could be quite time consuming with all their texting and calling afterwards.
The Renault is going to lead to clunge with much lower expectations but higher chances of an STI.
Horses for courses.
DonkeyApple said:
It's difficult to decide.
The BMW will clearly get you a better quality type of clunge but the sort that will expect an expensive meal before and could be quite time consuming with all their texting and calling afterwards.
The Renault is going to lead to clunge with much lower expectations but higher chances of an STI.
Horses for courses.
That's what condoms are for.........The BMW will clearly get you a better quality type of clunge but the sort that will expect an expensive meal before and could be quite time consuming with all their texting and calling afterwards.
The Renault is going to lead to clunge with much lower expectations but higher chances of an STI.
Horses for courses.
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