RE: Toyota GT86: PH Carpool

[lockup]

storminnorman said:

300bhp/ton said:

I really like these. In fact think they are fantastic and will certainly be on the radar in a number of years time, once they have done most of their depreciation.

However for this budget I simply couldn't opt for a Toyota, not when you could have something like this:

etc

Ok it might cost a bit more to run, but I'm willing to bet in 5 years time it'll have held on to its money very well, while the Toyota won't have. On this basis alone I suspect 'total cost of ownership' may be rather similar.

I usually agree with the "buy used instead of new" brigade but really they're not even remotely comparable. Poor form to come on a thread about someone's car and tell them they should have bought a dodgy 20yrold budget Ferrari

No foreseeable issues with maintaining a Ferrari V8. 30 year old Fiat electrics are bombproof and metric sized tyres will no doubt be manufactured again. Probably as remoulds.

[ewenm]

300bhp/ton said:

shalmaneser said:

WTF?

Are you delusional?!

How much will the Toyota be worth in 5 years time? The Mondial is likely to be worth the same or more than it is today.

If the Toyota loses say £5-7k in depreciation, that's a lot of money to fund running a Ferrari.

Except it's not really is it? You still need to find the money to run the car up front, you won't recoup it until you sell. Unless you have bottomless savings/enjoy large credit card balances/like taking out loans to run a car then the cash-flow maths may be unworkable.

I like classic cars but wouldn't pick a old Ferrari (weekends only, low mileage, unpredicatble costs) over a new GT86 (daily driver, high mileage, predictable costs). If I was after a weekend car, then the GT86 wouldn't feature in the list.

[McAndy]

300bhp/ton said:

So how much a month over 5 years would a GT86 cost you in depreciation?

Fair point, but no matter on a leased vehicle I thought. Genuine question: does anybody sell leases on used cars?

[300bhp/ton]

ewenm said:

Except it's not really is it? You still need to find the money to run the car up front, you won't recoup it until you sell. Unless you have bottomless savings/enjoy large credit card balances/like taking out loans to run a car then the cash-flow maths may be unworkable.

I like classic cars but wouldn't pick a old Ferrari (weekends only, low mileage, unpredicatble costs) over a new GT86 (daily driver, high mileage, predictable costs). If I was after a weekend car, then the GT86 wouldn't feature in the list.

A valid point, and I think it would depend on your annual mileage. But if it was 5-8k a year I'd personally consider the Ferrari given the choice.

From what I've read of them, they don't appear any worse to run than many cars we take for granted.

[kidastu]

Hi Chaps,

Firstly apologies for the terrible spelling and grammar in the article, I'll try and get dan to re-publish it with some amendments.

mrtwisty said:

Surprised an EP3 CTR is noticeably quicker in a straight line... isnt the power to weight ratio almost the same?

My mates EP3 CTR has a performance air filter fitted which seems to give it a bit extra. He informs me it only pulled away once the boost comes on at the top end of the rev-range.

Happy to answer questions if anyone is thinking of getting one.

[kambites]

Overall, I think this is probably my favourite mainstream car currently on the new market when value for money is taken into account.

[300bhp/ton]

kidastu said:

Hi Chaps,

Firstly apologies for the terrible spelling and grammar in the article, I'll try and get dan to re-publish it with some amendments.

mrtwisty said:

Surprised an EP3 CTR is noticeably quicker in a straight line... isnt the power to weight ratio almost the same?

My mates EP3 CTR has a performance air filter fitted which seems to give it a bit extra. He informs me it only pulled away once the boost comes on at the top end of the rev-range.

Happy to answer questions if anyone is thinking of getting one.

Boost on an EP3???

[vxah]

Ginger goblin said:

Agreed; "...when I brought it" being a particular lowlight.

I fink if you listen to a yoof talkin the schools no longer teach the two words that mean different things thus,bought and brought are now one and the same word!

[MarJay]

I think this thread is further proof that 300bhp/tonne has lost the plot big style.

[otolith]

kambites said:

Overall, I think this is probably my favourite mainstream car currently on the new market when value for money is taken into account.

[kidastu]

300bhp/ton said:

Boost on an EP3???

Not sure what the correct term is. I mean the point the the rev range on a i-vtec when the engine has a surge of power due to its engine design.

[anonymous-user]

I'm not massively into straight line speed in a fun car (I own a Mk1 MX5) but I really wouldn't be happy with a brand new sports car that can be outdragged by something like a 200bhp Civic, even if it is just for the sake of vanity. The GT86 is one of the only brand new cars I've ever been tempted to sink money into none the less. 36mpg is very good too.

[dapearson]

otolith said:

kambites said:

Overall, I think this is probably my favourite mainstream car currently on the new market when value for money is taken into account.

Same here. Autocar reckon they'll be worth about £11k after 3 yrs of depreciation. At that point i'd consider one. 2 yrs warranty remaining too.

[greggy50]

MarJay said:

I think this thread is further proof that 300bhp/tonne has lost the plot big style.

This

I could have understood a 3/4yr old Cayman S or something maybe but a 20yr old Ferrari that is known as being one of the worst cars the company ever made wow...

[300bhp/ton]

greggy50 said:

MarJay said:

I think this thread is further proof that 300bhp/tonne has lost the plot big style.

This

I could have understood a 3/4yr old Cayman S or something maybe but a 20yr old Ferrari that is known as being one of the worst cars the company ever made wow...

Why was it one of the worst??? And how is this known??

[anonymous-user]

It's the modern day DC2 in my eyes, people either get it or they dont. I would love to have a spin in one and give it a year or so and I can see them sub 10K

Now can we please stop talking about 30 year old Ferrari's

[David1976]

I own a blue GT86 and have had it for a year and love it. It is a wonderful car and very entertaining.

Personally I have not had problems with CTR's (they are closely matched) but it is all about being in the right gear at the right time. Nothing much happens at all below 4750rpm in the GT86. The jump when you get there isn't as pronounced as an earlier CTR or Integra Type R but it most definitely feels like it has come on cam.

I love the LSD. It makes such a difference when you get it sideways and is quite reassuring.

The traction control, as pointed out, is well judged. You can still churp the tyres without it bogging down, although if you do this when cornering you do get a fiece "bang" as the software applies braking to prevent the car going astray. Having said that I have found that the sport setting is perfect. You can slide it all day long, wet or dry, but the nanny is still there to rescue you if you go beyond your skill level.

It is also surprisingly practical. I can get my wife, my daughter, our bits, and her buggy all safely packed in. When she gets bigger and needs the legroom it could be different though...

[snotrag]

Will today be remembered as the day when 300 actually became a parody of his own character? Thats gonna take some beating.


OP - lovely car. Its interesating that im not the only persons who's never, ever been tempted to buy a brand new car - except this. Theres just something about them.

[oop north]

A GT86/BRZ is currently at the top of my list for next car, maybe next year. From 1989 to 2007 I had a second car for fun (a 1971 Beetle followed by an Elise and a couple of Caterhams - last 7 had to go to pay for the new house ) but life is so busy I am not sure I could find the time to use a second car properly, especially with the disastrous rain in the last couple of years, though this year has been much better. I like the idea of a car that I can use and enjoy all the time. I also like that you have to put some effort in to get it going quickly

Anyway, back to the point, I think the running costs make it a lot easier to view a blue BRZ (oops, becoming far too well-formed an idea!) as the ideal everyday car (now that my wife has an XC90 for family duties). I don't think I would be able to fit all my family in at the same time (but I wouldn't need to do so anyway), and no doubt my wife wouldn't like it all that much but she is wonderfully tolerant

I have always thought that it is more how a car feels that is important than its the outright pace, which suggests to me from everything I have read that I would like one of these - had an original MX5 followed fairly closely by a 106 XSi - and the Pug was faster round bends but less fun (from what I can remember of 20 years ago). Definitely a manual - no way would I have an auto (despite generally preferring automatics for a daily, it just seems plain wrong for one of these)

I did have a quick drive of a GT86 demonstrator a few weeks ago, an auto - enjoyed enough to confirm GT86's/BRZ's place up the list but also confirmed I would want manual. I even quite liked the engine, not finding it too weedy, though the faster move from zero that a manual should bring would be welcome. Didn't miss the torquey pull of my diesel, that being easily compensated for by the wider usable rev range

Quick question - what's it like out of a t-junction in the wet/damp? Does the LSD make for smooth progress rather than struggling to get going? I remember the MX5 being fine in the wet, though that was of course much weedier (115bhp!). I would definitely get a second set of wheels and have winter tyres, but it is so wet here (Preston area) that dry weather driving ability is almost irrelevant!

Traction is a worry - live on a farm and I often have to go up muddy verges to let by people coming the other way. Not a problem in the Outback of course

[David1976]

dapearson said:

Autocar reckon they'll be worth about £11k after 3 yrs of depreciation. At that point i'd consider one. 2 yrs warranty remaining too.

Maybe, maybe not. I would be surprised if they get that cheap that quickly. The residual value set by Toyota after 3 years is higher and it is rare for manufacturers to take a risk like that just in case people hand back the keys.