RE: Jag: we got it wrong
Discussion
smilo996 said:
Ford made a mess of Jag
A lot of interesting stuff been written about this. They did Royally f
k up though, with Jag and with the Stewart F1 outfit which, prior to their intervention was punching well above its' weight.The long and short of it appears to be micro-management. This particualrly in F1, which only ever seems to succeed where there is a clear head honcho - or pair of head honchos at most. Rahal was at the very least outwardly capable of being that person and you have to wonder how or why things went so badly.
I've had a 3.0 petrol Sport Premium manual estate for 3 years now and it's fabulous. Big enough for the cycle or dog in the boot, safe on snow / ice and a fun drive. I won't sell it until it falls to bits, but it's been 100% reliable until now. If they built something similar (an AWD estate) I'd buy one new
I wanted an X type very badly when I was younger.
Sadly the local dealer refused to let me test drive one because I was 18.
Bought a 330D instead.
The whole experience left a sour taste in my mouth that is still there today tbh, 13 years later. Put me off Jags for life I reckon (which is probably very silly).
Sadly the local dealer refused to let me test drive one because I was 18.
Bought a 330D instead.
The whole experience left a sour taste in my mouth that is still there today tbh, 13 years later. Put me off Jags for life I reckon (which is probably very silly).
ADP68 said:
I've had a 3.0 petrol Sport Premium manual estate for 3 years now and it's fabulous. Big enough for the cycle or dog in the boot, safe on snow / ice and a fun drive. I won't sell it until it falls to bits, but it's been 100% reliable until now. If they built something similar (an AWD estate) I'd buy one new
Sounds like a good car. Good on you. Ignore the nay-sayers.Haggleburyfinius said:
I wanted an X type very badly when I was younger.
Sadly the local dealer refused to let me test drive one because I was 18.
Bought a 330D instead.
The whole experience left a sour taste in my mouth that is still there today tbh, 13 years later. Put me off Jags for life I reckon (which is probably very silly).
Personally I'd say get over it. "Dealers" are franchises and not directly related to factory that makes the cars they sell. The salesman you spoke to for instance didn't actually work for Jaguar Cars. Sadly the local dealer refused to let me test drive one because I was 18.
Bought a 330D instead.
The whole experience left a sour taste in my mouth that is still there today tbh, 13 years later. Put me off Jags for life I reckon (which is probably very silly).
Haggleburyfinius said:
I wanted an X type very badly when I was younger.
Sadly the local dealer refused to let me test drive one because I was 18.
Bought a 330D instead.
The whole experience left a sour taste in my mouth that is still there today tbh, 13 years later. Put me off Jags for life I reckon (which is probably very silly).
You won. The 3 series is light years ahead of the X-Type, a car that even Jaguar didn't like! If they get to shed money in estate form I might have to buy one though.Sadly the local dealer refused to let me test drive one because I was 18.
Bought a 330D instead.
The whole experience left a sour taste in my mouth that is still there today tbh, 13 years later. Put me off Jags for life I reckon (which is probably very silly).
Lucky for me the X-type is 'ugly' ... so i got a perfect one for my wife for 3K :-).
Have it for a year now , spent around 1K on it to make it right for the coming 3-5 years ... .
My next one could probably be an estate 2,2D with the right color and wheels .. turn it into a 'van' for my job :-) ... did the same to my Clio RS.
Have it for a year now , spent around 1K on it to make it right for the coming 3-5 years ... .
My next one could probably be an estate 2,2D with the right color and wheels .. turn it into a 'van' for my job :-) ... did the same to my Clio RS.
j90gta said:
Chrysler was owned by Mercedes (C300 was based on E-class and Crossfire on SLK). It is now owned by Fiat and are selling Lancias with Chrysler badges (Ypsilon and Delta) in the UK.
Yes, but it is several years since Fiat bought it.Is the restyled 300C still on sale here? Don't think I've seen one. Certainly haven't seen any of the Lanchryas.
j90gta said:
Chrysler was owned by Mercedes (C300 was based on E-class and Crossfire on SLK). It is now owned by Fiat and are selling Lancias with Chrysler badges (Ypsilon and Delta) in the UK.
Actually it was a merger that formed Daimler Chrysler AG. 8% of Chrysler remained completely independent.
j90gta said:
Chrysler was owned by Mercedes (C300 was based on E-class and Crossfire on SLK). It is now owned by Fiat and are selling Lancias with Chrysler badges (Ypsilon and Delta) in the UK.
The Mercedes tie up was called DaimlerChrysler (not to be confused with the Daimler brand, long owned by Jaguar). DaimlerChrysler was a disaster (as was Smart). The Dodge Charger, Magnum and Challenger are also based on Mercedes platforms.The new Dodge Dart is basically an Alfa Romeo Giulietta with a boot.
Fiat shared some engines with GM and vice versa, and the current Punto and Corsa share the same platform. The Ford Ka is on a Fiat Panda/500 platform.
The new Alfa spider and MX-5 will also be on the same platform.
It's all rather incestuous really, but the important thing is that all this platform sharing should result in better cars, rather than horrid compromises (the Nissan/Alfa Romeo Arna is often referenced).
Edited by gweaver on Wednesday 18th September 11:50
Edited by gweaver on Wednesday 18th September 11:52
RoverP6B said:
Umm, when were GM and Fiat ever involved together?
Chrysler is NOT German owned. It's owned by Fiat.
GM I believe bought shares in FIAT to share technical information and development costs. For example GM 1.9 Diesel engines as used in Vauxhall/Opel and when still manufacturing SAAB are Alfa/FIAT units.Chrysler is NOT German owned. It's owned by Fiat.
The Grande Punto shares chassis with the Corsa hence it having a PCD of 4x100mm on the wheels which is GM rather than FIAT's normal 4x98mm as the most obvious example of sharing parts.
The Alfa 159/Brera chassis was designed with SAAB/GM and many times has been stated as the reason why those cars have a heavy 1800kgs? Kerb weight which makes them incredibly strong. A quote I remember reading was if Euro NCAP went to 6 stars they would achieve it. Of course the weight blunted performance and economy.
GM with the fall in sales, credit crunch etc etc had to buy its way out of the deal with FIAT handing back shares and paying them 2billion Euros or something crazy in the process to disolve any future deals, and yet still source engines from them. FIAT won big time on that deal.
MadDog1962 said:
Quite a lot of people thought the X type looked nice, and still do. It's really no more Ford than the S type was,
The X type used a modified Mondeo floorpan and Mondeo suspension as well as many other trivial parts like switchgear. Which Ford shares all these parts with the S-Type?Mr2Mike said:
MadDog1962 said:
Quite a lot of people thought the X type looked nice, and still do. It's really no more Ford than the S type was,
The X type used a modified Mondeo floorpan and Mondeo suspension as well as many other trivial parts like switchgear. Which Ford shares all these parts with the S-Type?Edited by 300bhp/ton on Wednesday 18th September 11:58
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