RE: BMW M135i vs Audi S3
Discussion
Nors said:
I do struggle a bit when it's refered to as 'beautiful' as you put it. However, that's a personal thing and nothing to do with me.
Fair enough although I really don't see why there would be any struggle if it's a personal/subjective thing. I am not lying, I promise, that's how I find it...Nors said:
Would it not be be attacked if it wasn't a BMW? Probably not, because it wouldn't get noticed I would guess!
You're quite right. I can't imagine the press/public would take the remotest notice of a RWD 300+ bhp hatch, if it was released by any other car maker.
It would probably sink without trace.
Johnnytheboy said:
Nors said:
Would it not be be attacked if it wasn't a BMW? Probably not, because it wouldn't get noticed I would guess!
You're quite right. I can't imagine the press/public would take the remotest notice of a RWD 300+ bhp hatch, if it was released by any other car maker.
It would probably sink without trace.
I get your point, but I was refering to it's looks generically not it's performance and the 1 series in general.nickfrog said:
Nors said:
I do struggle a bit when it's refered to as 'beautiful' as you put it. However, that's a personal thing and nothing to do with me.
Fair enough although I really don't see why there would be any struggle if it's a personal/subjective thing. I am not lying, I promise, that's how I find it...It's me that struggles to see it's beauty, but again, that's your choice and it's not hurting me! No offence intended just my worthless opinion!
Vladimir said:
It's a shame all you looks obsessed goons would never be able to bring yourself to drive an Atom, a Morgan Aero or many other drivers cars that aren't quite your idea of visually perfect.
Anyway, why look at this thread. The solution is simple; buy an Alfa.
Terrible examples, both of those cars look fine to me, although the Morgan is a bit goofyAnyway, why look at this thread. The solution is simple; buy an Alfa.
Nors said:
nickfrog said:
Nors said:
I do struggle a bit when it's refered to as 'beautiful' as you put it. However, that's a personal thing and nothing to do with me.
Fair enough although I really don't see why there would be any struggle if it's a personal/subjective thing. I am not lying, I promise, that's how I find it...It's me that struggles to see it's beauty, but again, that's your choice and it's not hurting me! No offence intended just my worthless opinion!
yonex said:
It's also worth mentioning you have a hatred of all things BMW and unbridled love of all things Audi.
I'm still waiting for an answer to my question of why he(?) cannot accept any criticism of Haldex traction and overzealously defends it. I asserted that he's a stakeholder but got no response...
Sorry im rekindling this thread LOL.
Ive just test drove both cars and here's my View
M135i
Looks Crap
Insides Crap
Drives FAST, very FAST, great gearbox Lots of fun, but as I thought has traction issues in anything that involves damp/wet I was spinning in 1 2 and 3. I really wanted 135 xdrive to test, However I would consider the 235Xdrive, if only you could buy one, but then the price difference is near on AMG A45. Overall I can see what all the reviews rave about But I cannot like the car as it looks pretty drab, I priced up the relevant MPerformance body kit and just short of 5k it does look better, Wheels alone are 3.5k, but after thinking hard I decided not to go BMWs way
S3
Looks better but not by much, still too much like an A3, wheels are stock 18inch, you cant get 19s maybe after market but nothing on the selector.
Interior is a lot better and worlds ahead of the old RS3.
Drives fast, nice farting sound on gear change, not as much torque as M135 but none the less very quick.
Sticks to the road like glue, no slippage bullet from a gun like acceleration
3 door is nice but back seats are small, so ive got to choose between 5 door hatch or Saloon, dealer said hatch as its 2k cheaper and will sell better. Im thinking saloon as its new and not many about.
What you all think ?
Ive just test drove both cars and here's my View
M135i
Looks Crap
Insides Crap
Drives FAST, very FAST, great gearbox Lots of fun, but as I thought has traction issues in anything that involves damp/wet I was spinning in 1 2 and 3. I really wanted 135 xdrive to test, However I would consider the 235Xdrive, if only you could buy one, but then the price difference is near on AMG A45. Overall I can see what all the reviews rave about But I cannot like the car as it looks pretty drab, I priced up the relevant MPerformance body kit and just short of 5k it does look better, Wheels alone are 3.5k, but after thinking hard I decided not to go BMWs way
S3
Looks better but not by much, still too much like an A3, wheels are stock 18inch, you cant get 19s maybe after market but nothing on the selector.
Interior is a lot better and worlds ahead of the old RS3.
Drives fast, nice farting sound on gear change, not as much torque as M135 but none the less very quick.
Sticks to the road like glue, no slippage bullet from a gun like acceleration
3 door is nice but back seats are small, so ive got to choose between 5 door hatch or Saloon, dealer said hatch as its 2k cheaper and will sell better. Im thinking saloon as its new and not many about.
What you all think ?
lol Been there done that. It was originally between S3 and R anyway I just couldn't see the R nor can you drive 1, I used a Golf GTI as a template and both the wife and I didn't like the internals, the audi was deffo the better cockpit.
Also the golf price for price is more expensive, the audi gets Nappa leather as standard its 2.7k on the golf
I do have a dealer who will match Audis price but one thing to note.
All the lease companies ie Lease4less bluechillie etc all have the Golf R cheap, so I get the feeling there will be a lot of them about and the specials R badge wont be as special as we thought.
What has thrown a spanner in the works is, ive driven Subarus for the past 6 years and the NEW sti has come out, but I said id never buy another Scooby until they dropped the troubled EJ25 engine, of which the new one has it installed. Unless they have changed the pistons and forged the engine, im staying away, too many ringland issues with the scoobys, Subarus support has been dire
Also the golf price for price is more expensive, the audi gets Nappa leather as standard its 2.7k on the golf
I do have a dealer who will match Audis price but one thing to note.
All the lease companies ie Lease4less bluechillie etc all have the Golf R cheap, so I get the feeling there will be a lot of them about and the specials R badge wont be as special as we thought.
What has thrown a spanner in the works is, ive driven Subarus for the past 6 years and the NEW sti has come out, but I said id never buy another Scooby until they dropped the troubled EJ25 engine, of which the new one has it installed. Unless they have changed the pistons and forged the engine, im staying away, too many ringland issues with the scoobys, Subarus support has been dire
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