Swarm of Bikers & Rangerover - 0 dead multiple hits...

[dubbedupdaz]

Of duty policeguy being investigated for involvement

[dubbedupdaz]

Settled for that after large mobile post was not being allowed

[dubbedupdaz]

Search the you tube initial video loaders own channel. Multiple vids of this ride out with sidewalk blitzes, wheelying through intersections, general harassment on carriageways. Zero sympathy with any bikers involved in this. They acted like ingrates and have no comeback. The o/d cop was actually one of the guys smashing in the windows at the initial stop and is currently with his solicitor. Grand jury indictments are being written and acted on

[MoelyCrio]

I'm a biker and once tried to chase a RR Sport on my NC700X. Not only did he get away, but my mpg dropped below 67mpg. Double tragedy.

Bad people are bad. Regardless of nothing. Hope justice is done.

[carinaman]

dubbedupdaz said:

Of duty policeguy being investigated for involvement

'Front Line Soldiers, a New Rochelle-based group that also counts several other cops among its members, a source said.'

Hollywood Stunts? They were playing CHiPS.

[Kaelic]

Found this explanation of what was going on in the video rather interesting. http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/217012.php

the guy with the broken legs can be seen getting stuck in! This guy appears to be a paragon of society with no license or insurance.... And apparently helping the guy who was "knocked off" but who was 20yds ahead of him walking his bike back lol!

[Mr2Mike]

hora said:

Reread my post. A hint of sarcasm was included

I re-read it, and it still reads the same to me. Are you saying that you still blame the police for this incident?

[carinaman]

It's a 'Police, could you?' situation.

You are out for a pleasant Sunday afternoon ride with your 'homies', when a slight road rage incident unfolds where a chap gets a damned good hiding in front of his wife and kid on their wedding anniversary. How do you intervene, uphold the law, without 'blowing' your police cover?

A bit more serious than Winsor's uniform infraction at Cardiff on the same day wouldn't you say?

Edited by carinaman on Saturday 5th October 12:22

[croyde]

In addition to the previous comment about how inaccurate in their aim the police can be with hand guns, especially in the heat of the moment, remember the murderer that got shot dead outside the Empire State Building last year.

Several police fired at him and managed to hit 9, yes 9 , innocent bystanders. Amazingly non were killed.

[carinaman]

croyde said:

Several police fired at him and managed to hit 9, yes 9 , innocent bystanders. Amazingly non were killed.

And they weren't even driving pick ups!

'Guns blazing like Michael Caine in Zulu'?

[XJ Flyer]

WeirdNeville said:

hairy said:

Exactly, It is nigh on impossible for a law abiding citizen to own a handgun in Great Britain, yet we still have plenty of criminals using them.

Define "plenty".
I spent 10 years working as a police officer and detective in London. I dealt with only a couple of shootings and a handful of handguns (in a criminal context) in that time.

Guns are not as widely available in the UK as many would like to believe, neither is ammunition.

Guns in this whole range rover situation would have made this whole incident several orders of magnitude worse. So, law abiding range rover man pulls a gun? I don't doubt that some of the "badass bikers" had a firearm on them (of if state laws permitted RR man to have one, would have done). Suddenly you've got the potential for serious assault to become murder, and all manner of innocent people to be caught by stray fire.

Whatever the question is, the answer is almost never "more guns".

By that logic all US coppers would be safer if they don't carry guns.I'm betting that The Texas/Florida etc state police depts wouldn't agree with your view.In this case the bikers were armed with knives which were used and as I've said it was only probably the more draconian US homicide laws in which life means life that saved the driver's life or at least a life threatening injury.In this case the ability to use a gun in self defence would probably have added to that deterrent to the point where the gang wouldn't have bothered to start the chain of events,( which were obviously a failed mugging attempt ),at all.Your argument has all the features of pc uk type attitudes to self defence and law enforcement,being erroneously transferred across the Atlantic,where they wouldn't stand a chance of working considering they don't even work here that well.The fact is guns are the most effective method of self defence.While a knife can kill just as easily as a gun in the wrong hands.Like NY it's obvious that knives are becoming the weapon of choice for criminals instead of guns in the knowledge that pc self defence laws which take guns out of the right hands removes the deterrent against weapons of any type being used in the wrong hands.

www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/1,000-knife-crime-vi...

Edited by XJ Flyer on Saturday 5th October 16:20

[Hol]

carinaman said:

It's a 'Police, could you?' situation.

You are out for a pleasant Sunday afternoon ride with your 'homies', when a slight road rage incident unfolds where a chap gets a damned good hiding in front of his wife and kid on their wedding anniversary. How do you intervene, uphold the law, without 'blowing' your police cover?

A bit more serious than Winsor's uniform infraction at Cardiff on the same day wouldn't you say?

Edited by carinaman on Saturday 5th October 12:22

You forgot the bit about rolling roadblocking the driver and threatening him in such a way, he felt he had to escape to protect his family.

[y2blade]

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/loc...

[carinaman]

y2blade said:

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/loc...

It was T-Pac Stupor!

[RocketScience]

Just in case it hasn't already been posted - a few new developments including some still of the attack after the video stops

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvFktut-tjA
"More Details Emerge About NYC Motorcycle Road Rage Incident"

[0000]

So one of the group was a police officer who made a decision not to intervene. Perhaps hora was nearer the mark in blaming the police than I thought.

[Mr2Mike]

0000 said:

So one of the group was a police officer who made a decision not to intervene. Perhaps hora was nearer the mark in blaming the police than I thought.

Don't be ridiculous, a single undercover cop against that braying mob would have stood no chance at all.

[XJ Flyer]

Mr2Mike said:

0000 said:

So one of the group was a police officer who made a decision not to intervene. Perhaps hora was nearer the mark in blaming the police than I thought.

Don't be ridiculous, a single undercover cop against that braying mob would have stood no chance at all.

Surely assuming that the police have got an undercover cop placed in the gang then the last thing they'd want to do is admit that there was an undercover cop there at all.In that case the whole issue would have been total denial on a need to know basis.It seems to me that the NYPD is in a panic because it seems like the gangs have infiltrated the police not vice versa.

[0000]

Mr2Mike said:

Don't be ridiculous, a single undercover cop against that braying mob would have stood no chance at all.

Twice as much of a chance as one man. Though I wouldn't have thought he joined up to weigh the statistics on whether to protect the public or not. Anyway, he didn't need to do any more than attempt to defuse the situation for however many seconds it took for members of the public and then police to step in.

[dubbedupdaz]

It was an off duty policeman. He can be seen swinging the silver helmet through the RR's window....