RE: Enough on that BMW already: PH Blog
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Mike Roberts said:
So the forum is littered with the eternal argument "why have an X when you can have a Y?"...
PH Towers think "well, let's find out then".
Forum is littered with troggs slagging PH Towers off for trying to solve the conundrum.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Pretty standard. Shame.
Oh well, I enjoyed them.....
Very true. And I enjoyed them as well.PH Towers think "well, let's find out then".
Forum is littered with troggs slagging PH Towers off for trying to solve the conundrum.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Pretty standard. Shame.
Oh well, I enjoyed them.....
+1 to the requests for 15k and 5k benchmarks - I think this sort of thing has mileage every once in a while.
Mike Roberts said:
So the forum is littered with the eternal argument "why have an X when you can have a Y?"...
PH Towers think "well, let's find out then".
Forum is littered with troggs slagging PH Towers off for trying to solve the conundrum.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Pretty standard. Shame.
Oh well, I enjoyed them.....
I enjoyed them too, some people don't seem to realise that if you hate articles about something there is always the option not to read it rather than moaning endlessly whenever it is mentioned.PH Towers think "well, let's find out then".
Forum is littered with troggs slagging PH Towers off for trying to solve the conundrum.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Pretty standard. Shame.
Oh well, I enjoyed them.....
greygoose said:
I enjoyed them too, some people don't seem to realise that if you hate articles about something there is always the option not to read it rather than moaning endlessly whenever it is mentioned.
And me, far more relevant than any supercar comparison. I wish Top Gear would concentrate more on sporty middle ground cars too, one minute you're watching a Pegani Zonda, the next it's a flippin Skoda Yeti.. who on earth do they think makes up the bulk of their audience, multimillionaires and A to B people by the looks of it!I'm always fascinated by any article with a class benchmark and see if it really deserves it's spot. Would love to see a Suzuki Swift Sport vs Fiesta ST vs GT86 vs M135i vs Porsche Cayman test, just to see what each increment of cash really buys you.
I loved the articles (if not the car) - exactly what PH should be doing, comparing different things, weighing up the diverse options a true petrolhead may consider!
If you want exact spec-for-spec comparisons go for a mainstream magazine (even then the cars often have vast disparities in cost due to important and experience-changing options, eg variable steering systems etc.)
If you want exact spec-for-spec comparisons go for a mainstream magazine (even then the cars often have vast disparities in cost due to important and experience-changing options, eg variable steering systems etc.)
Whether people like it or not the M135i is the benchmark hot hatch, so having these sorts of comparisons should be interesting for a fair few. It was for me. Almost ordered one earlier this year, but went the RS3 route because I loved the way it looked and it drove pretty decently for my usage. Sold the RS3 now (reliability issues) and now have placed an order for an M135i. Agree it doesn't look the greatest, but defo doesn't look the worst in my eyes (Megane RS/Impreza..fugly). I think there are a lot of haters out there and many who haven't even driven the car. This is seriously one very impressive all round package, should have just bought it first time round. I cannot believe I managed to order one for £32k with nearly every single option in the book ticked.
People love to hate BMW basically, like they do Apple, or even You Tube compared with Vimeo. I'd encourage them to look beyond the badge and judge cars for what they are. Comments like 'average chassis' are just rubbish - the average chassis on sale today has all the heavy bits in line with the front wheels, front wheel drive and probably fairly basic rear suspension - you may prefer that, and that's fair enough, but the BMW 135i has none of those things, so it's not average; you may not like it, but it's not average - that just shows a basic ignorance of the very thing such people are commenting on: chassis design, which shows desperation to criticise BMW, which is a very fashionable thing to do in the UK.
Edited by RobM77 on Wednesday 2nd October 00:03
RobM77 said:
People love to hate BMW basically, like they do Apple, or even You Tube compared with Vimeo. I'd encourage them to look beyond the badge and judge cars for what they are. Comments like 'average chassis' are just rubbish - the average chassis on sale today has all the heavy bits in line with the front wheels, front wheel drive and probably fairly basic rear suspension - you may prefer that, and that's fair enough, but the BMW 135i has none of those things, so it's not average; you may not like it, but it's not average - that just shows a basic ignorance of the very thing such people are commenting on: chassis design, which shows desperation to criticise BMW, which is a very fashionable thing to do in the UK.
I think the M135s chassis is great; it certainly has all the right bits; multi-links and alloys etc. We forget that a few years ago 350bhp was supercar territory, not 5 door hatches, and everyone expected to have to give those a bit of respect. The 135's ride and seat of the bum balance is good and its a relief to lose fwd's torque steer, but the damping just isn't good enough, the car feeling sloppy at speed on UK tarmac. Steering is the usual electric abortion, but not as bad as many new cars. I had to drive a (new) Volvo V40 this week, my son's G27 gaming wheel offers more feedback. Edited by RobM77 on Wednesday 2nd October 00:03
And if you think the Porsche's non-linear rack feel a bit odd the BMW's one will give you an aneurism.
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QuattroDave said:
I personally found most of the articles good reading. okay there were some car comparisons I wouldn't have done personally but after all it is different strokes for different folks.
Still toying with the idea of getting one as I can get the employee discount of 22% which makes the 5 door auto with business & decent paint a snip at about £27,500! But the car that's got me thinking otherwise is the 330d touring xDrive. Very different beasts I know but see the latter as a good alternative to my URQ and my octy vrs estate.
+1 will be trading in the 635d for the 330d M Sport Touring (or maybe the new Alpina etc) to go with the URQ 20v RR.Still toying with the idea of getting one as I can get the employee discount of 22% which makes the 5 door auto with business & decent paint a snip at about £27,500! But the car that's got me thinking otherwise is the 330d touring xDrive. Very different beasts I know but see the latter as a good alternative to my URQ and my octy vrs estate.
Garlick said:
chelme said:
Its just an ugly car with average dynamics. Granted, it has a nice six pot with good performance figures, but really if its not much to look at and the chassis fails to match the engine, it can't be as good as it has been made out.
No you're right, we made it all up for fun. Busted.
I found ALL the articles very useful for my next purchase, keep on keeping on PH and ignore the Trolls.
Well the comparisons influenced me and I bought one - picked up last week.
It's a superb car and we like it - even the looks (grey with red leather - subtle but slightly sporty inside).
If anyone "dares" enthuse about a car, there are always a load of trolls determined to try and make themselves look clever by putting them down.
I fear the true enthusiasts are too often drowned out by the keyboard warriors with a chip factory on their wee little shoulders.
I'd love to see more threads full of enthusiasm and excitement (usually only really the PH blogs) and a lot less bleating, moaning, sniping, slagging off and generally conforming to Richard Porter's excellent piece in Evo about car forums.
A proper enthusiasts sees merit in all but the worst cars (hey, even a Perodua Kelisa is, errrmmmm... easy to park…). They can just run a 15 year old Golf, or a run a fleet including a brand new GT3 plus other cars but still see the fun in hooning around in anything.
I'd love to see more positivity free of the usual suspects trying either to "impress" others (who they don't know) or just be plain obnoxious.
The M135i is an enthusiasts car as a fairly attainable price; there's not a lot wrong with that.
It's a superb car and we like it - even the looks (grey with red leather - subtle but slightly sporty inside).
If anyone "dares" enthuse about a car, there are always a load of trolls determined to try and make themselves look clever by putting them down.
I fear the true enthusiasts are too often drowned out by the keyboard warriors with a chip factory on their wee little shoulders.
I'd love to see more threads full of enthusiasm and excitement (usually only really the PH blogs) and a lot less bleating, moaning, sniping, slagging off and generally conforming to Richard Porter's excellent piece in Evo about car forums.
A proper enthusiasts sees merit in all but the worst cars (hey, even a Perodua Kelisa is, errrmmmm... easy to park…). They can just run a 15 year old Golf, or a run a fleet including a brand new GT3 plus other cars but still see the fun in hooning around in anything.
I'd love to see more positivity free of the usual suspects trying either to "impress" others (who they don't know) or just be plain obnoxious.
The M135i is an enthusiasts car as a fairly attainable price; there's not a lot wrong with that.
shoestring7 said:
RobM77 said:
People love to hate BMW basically, like they do Apple, or even You Tube compared with Vimeo. I'd encourage them to look beyond the badge and judge cars for what they are. Comments like 'average chassis' are just rubbish - the average chassis on sale today has all the heavy bits in line with the front wheels, front wheel drive and probably fairly basic rear suspension - you may prefer that, and that's fair enough, but the BMW 135i has none of those things, so it's not average; you may not like it, but it's not average - that just shows a basic ignorance of the very thing such people are commenting on: chassis design, which shows desperation to criticise BMW, which is a very fashionable thing to do in the UK.
I think the M135s chassis is great; it certainly has all the right bits; multi-links and alloys etc. We forget that a few years ago 350bhp was supercar territory, not 5 door hatches, and everyone expected to have to give those a bit of respect. The 135's ride and seat of the bum balance is good and its a relief to lose fwd's torque steer, but the damping just isn't good enough, the car feeling sloppy at speed on UK tarmac. Steering is the usual electric abortion, but not as bad as many new cars. I had to drive a (new) Volvo V40 this week, my son's G27 gaming wheel offers more feedback. Edited by RobM77 on Wednesday 2nd October 00:03
And if you think the Porsche's non-linear rack feel a bit odd the BMW's one will give you an aneurism.
SS7
Sometimes I just wish manufacturers would take a classic timeless recipe (in this case the E36 328i sport coupé) and just improve things up to modern standards: lower NVH, better damping, better economy, more power etc. I don't want stupid gimmicks, just a great car. It's well within BMW's ability to make a modern E36 with 40mpg, M3 power, S Class beating noise levels and a magic carpet ride like a Lotus. They choose not to, which has to be the strangest decison ever.
^^^ Sssshhhh! You're not allowed say anything negative about this car, people get a bit sensitive! 
I wish this much of a fuss was made about the 325ti a decade ago! Actually, I'm glad there wasn't, as it remained a bit of a hidden gem IMO. Bit ugly, but a pretty good hot hatch, so seems that some things don't change
I wish this much of a fuss was made about the 325ti a decade ago! Actually, I'm glad there wasn't, as it remained a bit of a hidden gem IMO. Bit ugly, but a pretty good hot hatch, so seems that some things don't change
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