Ferrari 355 Accident "Cold Tyres"
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That will teach me to point out spelling mistakes.
MG CHRIS said:
There are some absolute dicks on here just because it's his first post doesn't mean he is lying and then try to nit pick everything about him ffs grow up.
I do believe the story im on mx5 nutz myself been in similar situation with car salesmen before. Allthough not to crash a Ferrari.
I own an mx5 and I could go out and get a Ferrari owning a cheap car doesn't mean you cant afford something more expensive.
Im tempted to keep my 5 when I do get something else... Such a great little car. Im booked on a trackday in November with it. Cant wait! I do believe the story im on mx5 nutz myself been in similar situation with car salesmen before. Allthough not to crash a Ferrari.
I own an mx5 and I could go out and get a Ferrari owning a cheap car doesn't mean you cant afford something more expensive.
monthefish said:
Some would say that it's so that it can't be proved/disproved.
If you named the dealership/salesman, your story could quickly be verified or otherwise.
If you don't, it can't.
I wouldnt name the dealership or salesman. Thats not very British imo... Despite being a complete toffy nosed douche, I did kinda like the him. He fIf you named the dealership/salesman, your story could quickly be verified or otherwise.
If you don't, it can't.
ked up yes but doesent deserve to be hung at dawn like some of the posters on here were suggesting! Doddington said:
General Zod said:
From MX5 to 355? Big jump!
Maybe in some people eyes... Fezza idea on back burner now until next year now unfortunately due to business commitments 
. Thinking maybe a s2000 or Boxster in the meantime... Although a I think a Z4 is also a worthy contender... Love my Mx5 to pieces tho... Such a cracking car... Ive actually just helped one of my staff buy one... He comes into work every morning with the biggest grin... 
Best staff moral booster ive ever found... and an absolute bargain!
Monkeylegend said:
Don't be put off, this is the usual PH induction when stories like this are posted. You have to take it on the chin and bounce back with a good as you get without letting it get personal, including my comment re spelling, which I apologize for.
You must admit it does sound a bit iffy though
Now hit us with some more tails of the unexpected.
Thanks for the advice good Sir! Yes I can completely see why its sounds iffy... When I got home I did have to ask myself did that really just happen... I didn't really mention just how bloody funny it was... Hard to explain... I couldn't stop laughing for days... You would have to meet the toffy nosed salesman to fully appreciate it.. lol You must admit it does sound a bit iffy though
Now hit us with some more tails of the unexpected.
Jasandjules said:
Sounds perfectly probable to me. I've certainly been on some test drives where the salesman drives like a loon right from the off..... Sometimes such things will go wrong.
I'd been that loony salesman for a few years. I used to work for a sportscar dealership and would often take customers out for a taste of what the car felt like at 8/10ths where appropriate. You'd have to judge the type of customer you were dealing with to decide whether or not they'd appreciate such behaviour, but a lot seemed to be grateful of having more than a 500 yard pootle along a residential road.Of course, you tell you passenger that when it's their go to take their time with it and get used to how the controls feel before even thinking about doing anything exciting and 99% of the time they'd heed that.
One chap didn't and had an off similar to the one described in this thread, but fortunately with minimal damage to the car, which meant it was driveable back to the dealership - but still an expensive repair. I didn't wish him to be hung drawn and quartered like some are shouting about in here despite the driving standards sharing a lot of traits.
Impasse said:
You'd have to judge the type of customer you were dealing with to decide whether or not they'd appreciate such behaviour, but a lot seemed to be grateful of having more than a 500 yard pootle along a residential road.
I think this is why the sales-guy absolutely nailed it. Had been chatting to him for a while before we went out for a drive/spin... Goodwood FOS was the week prior and we were talking about that and naughty drives down there... Me chasing my mate down in his Ferrari 550... I think he wanted to impress...Zod said:
P Zero Corsa System and Michelin Pilot SuperSports both change behaviour significantly with heat.
I think I'm going to have to remain sceptical.I've sprinted my Boxster twice this year, once at Curborough and once at Shelsley Walsh, and of course this is a discipline where you do go flat out from the off on cold tyres, and I've not noticed any difference in grip from that of a normal hoon on a summers day.
Road car tyres don't develop grip levels any where near that of slicks, which are temperature sensitive. Another factor also is that I think there'd be an issue of product liability if the product (the tyre) offered up distinctly different levels of grip during a drive.
Perhaps during the course of next year I'll keep my ears open to conversations about tyres when sprinting and see if I pick up grip levels changing during a run.
heebeegeetee said:
Zod said:
P Zero Corsa System and Michelin Pilot SuperSports both change behaviour significantly with heat.
I think I'm going to have to remain sceptical.I've sprinted my Boxster twice this year, once at Curborough and once at Shelsley Walsh, and of course this is a discipline where you do go flat out from the off on cold tyres, and I've not noticed any difference in grip from that of a normal hoon on a summers day.
Road car tyres don't develop grip levels any where near that of slicks, which are temperature sensitive. Another factor also is that I think there'd be an issue of product liability if the product (the tyre) offered up distinctly different levels of grip during a drive.
Perhaps during the course of next year I'll keep my ears open to conversations about tyres when sprinting and see if I pick up grip levels changing during a run.
Slicks are on another level.
007 VXR said:
Normal road tyres ARE temperature sensitive.
Slicks are on another level.
In what way though? Ambient temps I ca understand, when the road surface is also affected. Summer tyres operating at temps lower than is best for them I can understand. But a road car going off the road due to 'cold tyres' in a way that a race car on slicks might? No, I don't accept that. Slicks are on another level.
heebeegeetee said:
007 VXR said:
Normal road tyres ARE temperature sensitive.
But a road car going off the road due to 'cold tyres' in a way that a race car on slicks might? No, I don't accept that. In my car i have temp monitors for the tyres, so watch them alot, its easy to feel the diffrence with or with out big BHP.
If you realy dont belive it, get in you car today and Go WOT as you leave your driveway and see what happens with grip levels.
Also, not about winter tyres work better than summer tyres at 7C and below, why is this
007 VXR said:
heebeegeetee said:
007 VXR said:
Normal road tyres ARE temperature sensitive.
But a road car going off the road due to 'cold tyres' in a way that a race car on slicks might? No, I don't accept that. In my car i have temp monitors for the tyres, so watch them alot, its easy to feel the diffrence with or with out big BHP.
If you realy dont belive it, get in you car today and Go WOT as you leave your driveway and see what happens with grip levels.
Also, not about winter tyres work better than summer tyres at 7C and below, why is this
At the nurburgring at Easter (very cold conditions) I lost the back end a couple of times on out laps, I'm running khumo ecsta v700s & they need warming up. Superb grip once they're warm but a bit dodgy at those temperatures when cold.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
It makes a difference in my lowly mini.
At the nurburgring at Easter (very cold conditions) I lost the back end a couple of times on out laps, I'm running khumo ecsta v700s & they need warming up. Superb grip once they're warm but a bit dodgy at those temperatures when cold.
I run a S/C Monaro on PSS,s RWD with 670bhpAt the nurburgring at Easter (very cold conditions) I lost the back end a couple of times on out laps, I'm running khumo ecsta v700s & they need warming up. Superb grip once they're warm but a bit dodgy at those temperatures when cold.
On a cold day with cold tyres it will spin EVEN IN 4/5th
On a hot day with cold tyres it will spin 1/2/3rd
On a hot day with tyre temps over 40C
She will grip in 1st.
Worth pointing out that before anyone slings their F355 off into the scenery whilst giving it the beans safe in the knowledge the tyres have been warmed properly; in my experience they do tend to get a bit lively when presented with a bump with a bit of braking into a corner.
You need to be quick and precise to catch it, and I can well imagine one snatching back the other way if the standard issue dab of oppo wasn't timed right.
Absolute hoot to drive and lovely handling, but so much so that it can give you a false sense of security as they can bite under certain circumstances.
Also to repeat what's been said, I'm not aware of any Ferrari drivers that have lost their lives on track recently.
You need to be quick and precise to catch it, and I can well imagine one snatching back the other way if the standard issue dab of oppo wasn't timed right.
Absolute hoot to drive and lovely handling, but so much so that it can give you a false sense of security as they can bite under certain circumstances.
Also to repeat what's been said, I'm not aware of any Ferrari drivers that have lost their lives on track recently.
heebeegeetee said:
007 VXR said:
If you realy dont belive it, get in you car today and Go WOT as you leave your driveway and see what happens with grip levels.
Well, that is kinda what people do on sprints and hillclimbs etc. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff