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ThePlanner

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5,252 posts

268 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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I have been looking for a car for a few weeks now and the 2 that i have seen match what we are looking for. But the dealers are not willing to negotiate on price. Seems that cash is not king no more

Are the margins that tight on used cars that the sticker price is the final price.

trickywoo

11,842 posts

231 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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Sounds like you need to work on your poker face.

What model is it?

dave7692

683 posts

130 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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They've probably wound the margins down so much that they don't have much wiggle room.

When I was in a similar situation I couldn't get any dealers to budge on the cost of the car I was buying but I did manage to wangle more money on trade in for my car.

I don't know how that is any different for them but I guess it balances their books a bit better?

joewilliams

2,004 posts

202 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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ThePlanner said:
Seems that cash is not king no more
No, it isn't.

They'll make as much in commission from the finance company as they will in profit on the car - possibly more.

TREMAiNE

3,918 posts

150 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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dave7692 said:
I guess it balances their books a bit better?
This.

Where I work, we'll give a customer free delivery (normally £7) on an order but wouldn't drop the product price by £3.50.

Makes the gross margin and turnover better for the end of month sales.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

191 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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ThePlanner said:
I have been looking for a car for a few weeks now and the 2 that i have seen match what we are looking for. But the dealers are not willing to negotiate on price. Seems that cash is not king no more

Are the margins that tight on used cars that the sticker price is the final price.
What type of traders? What sort of prices. How keenly are they priced anyhow?

The answer to your question is; yes, no, maybe, sometimes, not at all wink

i.e. it really depends on the specifics, not the generalisations. smile

Muzzer79

10,049 posts

188 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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What car is it?

If you're looking at a RR Evoque then that's why

If you're buying something 'regular' then you should be able to make a sensible offer.

av185

18,514 posts

128 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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ThePlanner said:
I have been looking for a car for a few weeks now and the 2 that i have seen match what we are looking for. But the dealers are not willing to negotiate on price. Seems that cash is not king no more

Are the margins that tight on used cars that the sticker price is the final price.
Trade prices are generally above book at the moment driven by the good weather, restricted supply of clean genuine vehicles, excess money around and feelgood factor.

Prices in past years have been hit in October due to the Sept plate change and seasonal downturn etc.But not in 2013......

TVR1

5,463 posts

226 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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ThePlanner said:
I have been looking for a car for a few weeks now and the 2 that i have seen match what we are looking for. But the dealers are not willing to negotiate on price. Seems that cash is not king no more

Are the margins that tight on used cars that the sticker price is the final price.
As has been mentioned, good stock is hard to come by at the moment so no need to discount what can't be replaced. The fall out from 2008/9 is here.

Also, you've answered your own question. 2 weeks to find only 2 examples that fit the bill? I can't think of many cars that meet that description.

What are you looking for, OP?

Matt UK

17,733 posts

201 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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The internet has been the great leveller IMO.

No dealers can build in huge margin or negotiation wiggle room on mainstream cars any more - the inflated advertised price, open for all to see at the click of a button, would pursuade precisely nobody to enquire except the odd walk-in who has done no research.

I think the only dealers playing with high margins are the classic / specialist guys who either have unique product waiting for the right buyer or a dealer reputation that adds tangible value to the price punters will pay.

It can be done though if you understand some of the dynamics and are prepared to play the game - I got a car advertised at a dealer for £8k for a price starting with a 6.

Not in the trade though, so just IMO. smile

plasticpig

12,932 posts

226 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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Simple solution to this. Negotiate the car on finance. The Consumer Credit Directive gives you a 14 day cooling off period; so if you settle the loan within 14 days then the you will only have to pay interest for the number of days the agreement was in force. So if you can get £500 off for getting the car on finance you will very likely get £490+ off if you settle the finance within 14 days.

av185

18,514 posts

128 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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Depending upon what sort of car you are chasing, but waiting until mid late December is generally advantageous price wise. Leave it until Feb March time and you could well pay much more due to increased buyer demand......

daemon

35,850 posts

198 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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ThePlanner said:
I have been looking for a car for a few weeks now and the 2 that i have seen match what we are looking for. But the dealers are not willing to negotiate on price. Seems that cash is not king no more

Are the margins that tight on used cars that the sticker price is the final price.
Chances are you've only went to the dealer because you know already he is the cheapest. What makes you think he has even more ££££'s to give away?

Margins are VERY tight on used cars these days. Good used stock is hard to come by. I only trade part time these days but i would honestly say that a good car is harder to find than a customer so i'm certainly not going to give a car away thats taken me 5 weeks to source.


daemon

35,850 posts

198 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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plasticpig said:
Simple solution to this. Negotiate the car on finance. The Consumer Credit Directive gives you a 14 day cooling off period; so if you settle the loan within 14 days then the you will only have to pay interest for the number of days the agreement was in force. So if you can get £500 off for getting the car on finance you will very likely get £490+ off if you settle the finance within 14 days.
Thats very nice in theory, but i'm not sure there'll be too many dealers offer you £500 off the car just to take a finance deal.


ThePlanner

Original Poster:

5,252 posts

268 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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300bhp/ton said:
ThePlanner said:
I have been looking for a car for a few weeks now and the 2 that i have seen match what we are looking for. But the dealers are not willing to negotiate on price. Seems that cash is not king no more

Are the margins that tight on used cars that the sticker price is the final price.
What type of traders? What sort of prices. How keenly are they priced anyhow?

The answer to your question is; yes, no, maybe, sometimes, not at all wink

i.e. it really depends on the specifics, not the generalisations. smile
Main Dealer.

Car Value 9000 I am looking at an impreza Auto for my wife. We don't have trade in

The car has been listed by them for over 13 weeks and they are not willing to budge on price. Shame really but there are not many of them about.

TVR1

5,463 posts

226 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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ThePlanner said:
Main Dealer.

Car Value 9000 I am looking at an impreza Auto for my wife. We don't have trade in

The car has been listed by them for over 13 weeks and they are not willing to budge on price. Shame really but there are not many of them about.
What year?

plasticpig

12,932 posts

226 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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daemon said:
Thats very nice in theory, but i'm not sure there'll be too many dealers offer you £500 off the car just to take a finance deal.
For an £8k second hand car I you are probably right; for a £40k second hand car with £30k financed I suspect you might find they will.

daemon

35,850 posts

198 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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ThePlanner said:
300bhp/ton said:
ThePlanner said:
I have been looking for a car for a few weeks now and the 2 that i have seen match what we are looking for. But the dealers are not willing to negotiate on price. Seems that cash is not king no more

Are the margins that tight on used cars that the sticker price is the final price.
What type of traders? What sort of prices. How keenly are they priced anyhow?

The answer to your question is; yes, no, maybe, sometimes, not at all wink

i.e. it really depends on the specifics, not the generalisations. smile
Main Dealer.

Car Value 9000 I am looking at an impreza Auto for my wife. We don't have trade in

The car has been listed by them for over 13 weeks and they are not willing to budge on price. Shame really but there are not many of them about.
If the price is right compared to others why do you need a discount to buy it? If he priced it at £9,500 he could have knocked £500 off?

ThePlanner

Original Poster:

5,252 posts

268 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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daemon said:
ThePlanner said:
I have been looking for a car for a few weeks now and the 2 that i have seen match what we are looking for. But the dealers are not willing to negotiate on price. Seems that cash is not king no more

Are the margins that tight on used cars that the sticker price is the final price.
Chances are you've only went to the dealer because you know already he is the cheapest. What makes you think he has even more ££££'s to give away?

Margins are VERY tight on used cars these days. Good used stock is hard to come by. I only trade part time these days but i would honestly say that a good car is harder to find than a customer so i'm certainly not going to give a car away thats taken me 5 weeks to source.
This was a trade in car not a car sourced specifically by the dealer. I am in no rush, but would like a smaller car for the other half rather than driving round is a big 4x4.

unfortunately the AWD is a must and is the most important thing. So no little family hatch would be suitable.

daemon

35,850 posts

198 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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plasticpig said:
daemon said:
Thats very nice in theory, but i'm not sure there'll be too many dealers offer you £500 off the car just to take a finance deal.
For an £8k second hand car I you are probably right; for a £40k second hand car with £30k financed I suspect you might find they will.
Maybe. You'll definitely get it with a subsidised deal from a manufacturer on a new car where the manufacturer is giving a ££££ incentive