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ThePlanner said:
This was a trade in car not a car sourced specifically by the dealer. I am in no rush, but would like a smaller car for the other half rather than driving round is a big 4x4.
unfortunately the AWD is a must and is the most important thing. So no little family hatch would be suitable.
Irrespective hes probably happy with the car, knows its rare, and happy with the price hes paid, therefore hes not prepared to give it away.unfortunately the AWD is a must and is the most important thing. So no little family hatch would be suitable.
ThePlanner said:
300bhp/ton said:
ThePlanner said:
I have been looking for a car for a few weeks now and the 2 that i have seen match what we are looking for. But the dealers are not willing to negotiate on price. Seems that cash is not king no more
Are the margins that tight on used cars that the sticker price is the final price.
What type of traders? What sort of prices. How keenly are they priced anyhow?Are the margins that tight on used cars that the sticker price is the final price.
The answer to your question is; yes, no, maybe, sometimes, not at all
i.e. it really depends on the specifics, not the generalisations.
Car Value 9000 I am looking at an impreza Auto for my wife. We don't have trade in
The car has been listed by them for over 13 weeks and they are not willing to budge on price. Shame really but there are not many of them about.
PGNTuscan said:
ThePlanner said:
300bhp/ton said:
ThePlanner said:
I have been looking for a car for a few weeks now and the 2 that i have seen match what we are looking for. But the dealers are not willing to negotiate on price. Seems that cash is not king no more
Are the margins that tight on used cars that the sticker price is the final price.
What type of traders? What sort of prices. How keenly are they priced anyhow?Are the margins that tight on used cars that the sticker price is the final price.
The answer to your question is; yes, no, maybe, sometimes, not at all
i.e. it really depends on the specifics, not the generalisations.
Car Value 9000 I am looking at an impreza Auto for my wife. We don't have trade in
The car has been listed by them for over 13 weeks and they are not willing to budge on price. Shame really but there are not many of them about.
With the season for this car approaching, you could say he would be a fool to give it away cheap now if he thinks there'll be a queue of punters in 3 weeks time.
daemon said:
PGNTuscan said:
Dealer is a fool and at 13 weeks he should be looking to get out of that car.
Have you any evidence to back that up or are you yet another internet expert who knows how to run a motor trade business better than the motor trade?The car may be rare but it is not one would typically go for due to the higher perceived running costs. and it being more 3000 more than cars that fall in the 5 door family hatch category
Edited by ThePlanner on Thursday 10th October 17:13
Matt UK said:
PGNTuscan said:
ThePlanner said:
300bhp/ton said:
ThePlanner said:
I have been looking for a car for a few weeks now and the 2 that i have seen match what we are looking for. But the dealers are not willing to negotiate on price. Seems that cash is not king no more
Are the margins that tight on used cars that the sticker price is the final price.
What type of traders? What sort of prices. How keenly are they priced anyhow?Are the margins that tight on used cars that the sticker price is the final price.
The answer to your question is; yes, no, maybe, sometimes, not at all
i.e. it really depends on the specifics, not the generalisations.
Car Value 9000 I am looking at an impreza Auto for my wife. We don't have trade in
The car has been listed by them for over 13 weeks and they are not willing to budge on price. Shame really but there are not many of them about.
With the season for this car approaching, you could say he would be a fool to give it away cheap now if he thinks there'll be a queue of punters in 3 weeks time.
I've an Audi quattro avant here at the minute. Bits of interest and the odd stupid offer, but i know the phone is going to ring once we get a bit of frost...
ThePlanner said:
daemon said:
PGNTuscan said:
Dealer is a fool and at 13 weeks he should be looking to get out of that car.
Have you any evidence to back that up or are you yet another internet expert who knows how to run a motor trade business better than the motor trade?However i take exception to the dealer being called a fool.
If the car is priced right, then why should he discount it?
Realistically its coming into the very time where interest will rise in a car like that, just as sure as interest rises in a convertible at easter time.
Whats your issue? Have you not enough money to buy it or do you just begrudge paying the price being asked?
daemon said:
You asked a civil question and you have got civil answers. The motor trade has changed and theres little wiggle room any more for throwing £££'s off.
However i take exception to the dealer being called a fool.
If the car is priced right, then why should he discount it?
Realistically its coming into the very time where interest will rise in a car like that, just as sure as interest rises in a convertible at easter time.
Whats your issue? Have you not enough money to buy it or do you just begrudge paying the price being asked?
I have the money, but i do not want to part with in my opinion more than the car is worth. especially when a Golf R32 is not much more money, neither is a nice specced A3 Quattro. However i take exception to the dealer being called a fool.
If the car is priced right, then why should he discount it?
Realistically its coming into the very time where interest will rise in a car like that, just as sure as interest rises in a convertible at easter time.
Whats your issue? Have you not enough money to buy it or do you just begrudge paying the price being asked?
I have spoken to my local dealer, and he said that they would never source that car on the basis they are so hard to sell.
ThePlanner said:
daemon said:
You asked a civil question and you have got civil answers. The motor trade has changed and theres little wiggle room any more for throwing £££'s off.
However i take exception to the dealer being called a fool.
If the car is priced right, then why should he discount it?
Realistically its coming into the very time where interest will rise in a car like that, just as sure as interest rises in a convertible at easter time.
Whats your issue? Have you not enough money to buy it or do you just begrudge paying the price being asked?
I have the money, but i do not want to part with in my opinion more than the car is worth. especially when a Golf R32 is not much more money, neither is a nice specced A3 Quattro. However i take exception to the dealer being called a fool.
If the car is priced right, then why should he discount it?
Realistically its coming into the very time where interest will rise in a car like that, just as sure as interest rises in a convertible at easter time.
Whats your issue? Have you not enough money to buy it or do you just begrudge paying the price being asked?
I have spoken to my local dealer, and he said that they would never source that car on the basis they are so hard to sell.
Just because you view it as being worth ££££'s less than a VW doesnt mean thats what its worth.
And yes you wouldnt normally go out of your way to stock one, however its the odd ball stuff theres money at. Chances are the dealer is happy enough to have it sitting there and will take his chances when the winter sets in that he'll find a customer.
I had a look round there and any 08 autos that are avail (2) are around the same price, so it sounds like its priced right.
daemon said:
PGNTuscan said:
Dealer is a fool and at 13 weeks he should be looking to get out of that car.
Have you any evidence to back that up or are you yet another internet expert who knows how to run a motor trade business better than the motor trade?Saw a car locally which was a bit overpriced compared to others on AT but it was so close i thought why not, made an appointment and popped in. After checking over the car I asked if there was any movement on the car and he said no. He then said I would have to pay for the tax on top as it has been cashed in but he would throw in an MOT.
Also, all the service history was missing but he had some photocopies from Merc which I could barely read and advised I could call them and PAY for a new book which they could stamp. Brilliant. Car was not hugely well presented and came with a s
t 3 month warranty from a firm I have never heard of but I was willing to forgive all of that if we could do a deal there and then. Car was around 10k mark so asked for a few hundred off or for him to throw in the road tax for a year which I offered. 'No' was the response, 'that's the price'. Eventually he agreed to six months tax as I was walking out. For the sake of an extra £100 off he would have had my business. But...he had a s
t attitude, couldn't stop checking his PC and mobile while talking to me and I'm glad I left.The next morning I went to a local Mercedes dealership, got great service, did a deal on a b class, £350 off a £13k car plus a years road tax. Done.
I was not asking for a grand off or being silly, but everyone needs to feel like they got a bit of a deal, especially with mainstream cars.
Tell me Daemon, what would you have done had you been the seller of the 10k B class? I have a sneaking suspicion what you might answer and it is probably why you are no longer in the profession........and please don't tell me all about your house, long walks and holidays etc etc...
daemon said:
Yes, subarus are rare and hold their money. There is a certain clientelle for them. You cant compare them against a VW or an Audi as it simply wont stack up.
Just because you view it as being worth ££££'s less than a VW doesnt mean thats what its worth.
And yes you wouldnt normally go out of your way to stock one, however its the odd ball stuff theres money at. Chances are the dealer is happy enough to have it sitting there and will take his chances when the winter sets in that he'll find a customer.
I had a look round there and any 08 autos that are avail (2) are around the same price, so it sounds like its priced right.
I am inclined to take the advice on the car value from my local Subaru dealer. After him selling us 4 cars over the past 7 years. He has advised that an Non Turbo Auto is one of the hardest ones to sell and in his opinion the dealer is an idiot for not getting shot when he has the chance. Just because you view it as being worth ££££'s less than a VW doesnt mean thats what its worth.
And yes you wouldnt normally go out of your way to stock one, however its the odd ball stuff theres money at. Chances are the dealer is happy enough to have it sitting there and will take his chances when the winter sets in that he'll find a customer.
I had a look round there and any 08 autos that are avail (2) are around the same price, so it sounds like its priced right.
Just because there are 2 cars listed on Auto trader does not mean thats the value of the car.
ThePlanner said:
I am inclined to take the advice on the car value from my local Subaru dealer. After him selling us 4 cars over the past 7 years. He has advised that an Non Turbo Auto is one of the hardest ones to sell and in his opinion the dealer is an idiot for not getting shot when he has the chance.
Just because there are 2 cars listed on Auto trader does not mean thats the value of the car.
yep, agree fully. Stick to your guns.Just because there are 2 cars listed on Auto trader does not mean thats the value of the car.
ThePlanner said:
I am inclined to take the advice on the car value from my local Subaru dealer. After him selling us 4 cars over the past 7 years. He has advised that an Non Turbo Auto is one of the hardest ones to sell and in his opinion the dealer is an idiot for not getting shot when he has the chance.
Just because there are 2 cars listed on Auto trader does not mean thats the value of the car.
Not necessarily saying he's wrong but it's hardly in your Subaru dealer's interests to tell you it's a fair price and you should pay it. That would rather bugger their chances of selling you a fifth car any time soon surely?Just because there are 2 cars listed on Auto trader does not mean thats the value of the car.
charltjr said:
Not necessarily saying he's wrong but it's hardly in your Subaru dealer's interests to tell you it's a fair price and you should pay it. That would rather bugger their chances of selling you a fifth car any time soon surely?
Not really he is a good mate and coincidently works at a Subaru main dealer. Depends what his motives are when selling me a car, screwing me over for all the money he can get out of me? Wife needs something until i can bring my car back from overseas, currently drive a WRX STI Auto. In The UK we have a Tribeca, but its a bit to thirsty on petrol.
Wills2 said:
ThePlanner said:
He wouldn't take £50 off, so i will play a waiting game to see when others come available. The car is 2008/09
Would you have bought it if he had? ThePlanner said:
Wills2 said:
ThePlanner said:
He wouldn't take £50 off, so i will play a waiting game to see when others come available. The car is 2008/09
Would you have bought it if he had? andymc said:
ThePlanner said:
Wills2 said:
ThePlanner said:
He wouldn't take £50 off, so i will play a waiting game to see when others come available. The car is 2008/09
Would you have bought it if he had? Wow PH seems to have turned in a set of keyboard monkeys defending car dealers now.
PGNTuscan said:
daemon said:
PGNTuscan said:
Dealer is a fool and at 13 weeks he should be looking to get out of that car.
Have you any evidence to back that up or are you yet another internet expert who knows how to run a motor trade business better than the motor trade?Saw a car locally which was a bit overpriced compared to others on AT but it was so close i thought why not, made an appointment and popped in. After checking over the car I asked if there was any movement on the car and he said no. He then said I would have to pay for the tax on top as it has been cashed in but he would throw in an MOT.
Also, all the service history was missing but he had some photocopies from Merc which I could barely read and advised I could call them and PAY for a new book which they could stamp. Brilliant. Car was not hugely well presented and came with a st 3 month warranty from a firm I have never heard of but I was willing to forgive all of that if we could do a deal there and then. Car was around 10k mark so asked for a few hundred off or for him to throw in the road tax for a year which I offered. 'No' was the response, 'that's the price'. Eventually he agreed to six months tax as I was walking out. For the sake of an extra £100 off he would have had my business. But...he had a s
t attitude, couldn't stop checking his PC and mobile while talking to me and I'm glad I left.The next morning I went to a local Mercedes dealership, got great service, did a deal on a b class, £350 off a £13k car plus a years road tax. Done.
I was not asking for a grand off or being silly, but everyone needs to feel like they got a bit of a deal, especially with mainstream cars.
Tell me Daemon, what would you have done had you been the seller of the 10k B class? I have a sneaking suspicion what you might answer and it is probably why you are no longer in the profession........and please don't tell me all about your house, long walks and holidays etc etc...
Also, how do you know the dealer of the original car didn't get his extra £100 from the next punter an hour after you left?
Edited by Matt UK on Thursday 10th October 18:55
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