RE: Vettel: Tell Me I'm Wrong
Discussion
Multi 21
Finger
"Yes yes yes that's what I'm talking about yes yes and yes again ring a ding ding a ding"
Newey cars
vs
He can be funny in interviews
He calls his cars names like Kinky Kylie
He's OK when he's out of the car, natural, and not in Red Bull PR mode.
On TV we see him for 20 weekends a year, in Red Bull PR mode 90%+ of the time. The other 10%, he's talking to Lee/EJ/DC/Suzi/Sky or its that repeat of Top Gear on Dave when he does the Nigel Mansell impression.
Finger
"Yes yes yes that's what I'm talking about yes yes and yes again ring a ding ding a ding"
Newey cars
vs
He can be funny in interviews
He calls his cars names like Kinky Kylie
He's OK when he's out of the car, natural, and not in Red Bull PR mode.
On TV we see him for 20 weekends a year, in Red Bull PR mode 90%+ of the time. The other 10%, he's talking to Lee/EJ/DC/Suzi/Sky or its that repeat of Top Gear on Dave when he does the Nigel Mansell impression.
I like Vettel. The rest need to become more motivated. Less distracted by clothing, watches, women.
Yes he has a flat personality on tv. Kimi is better at that. Characterful man.
He should work on that, but I guess he couldn't give a toss.
I would hire him in my company in a heartbeat.
Michel
Yes he has a flat personality on tv. Kimi is better at that. Characterful man.
He should work on that, but I guess he couldn't give a toss.
I would hire him in my company in a heartbeat.
Michel
Janesy B said:
Problem is people go on about 'people that dont go for a gap aren't racing drivers' yet when he shows a ruthless desire to win, it's shown as a flaw in his character.
Quite, and the flaws he is accused of are nothing new and have been displayed by drivers who are/were popular.Most people support drivers rather than teams because of F1's ever-changing nature. In a sport like football you basically support your one team and the people that turn up to games are fanatical. So really nobody 'supports' Red Bull (except some Brits) yet there are thousands of tifosi ready to boo Vettel because their team aren't winning - they're the only constructor to engender football-style absolute fandom. I don't however think this is representative of the average fan who is probably ambivalent about Vettel as a person, because really none of the drivers are genuinely interesting, but appreciates how good a driver he is.
Domestically I think a fair bit of it is probably anti-German sentiment, sadly.
Vettel's ok with me. I like the finger now
as for Multi 21,, RB want Vettel to win, if RB lost because of 1 point at the end of the season what a mistake to have made not letting him win that race.
no.1 driver should win at any legal cost imo that what he is paid to do, WIN
that makes a true champion who keeps winning, RB had to back down on that Multi 21 issue after because imo Vettel was right :-)
like it or not that's life and what happens in competitive sports.
Webber had his chance and did not make it, that's also life, lets hope he does better in a Porsche.
yes F1 is dull but that's not Vettal's fault
as for Multi 21,, RB want Vettel to win, if RB lost because of 1 point at the end of the season what a mistake to have made not letting him win that race.
no.1 driver should win at any legal cost imo that what he is paid to do, WIN
that makes a true champion who keeps winning, RB had to back down on that Multi 21 issue after because imo Vettel was right :-)
like it or not that's life and what happens in competitive sports.
Webber had his chance and did not make it, that's also life, lets hope he does better in a Porsche.
yes F1 is dull but that's not Vettal's fault
Some drivers just have more character, willing to take more risks even if they don't always pay off (the Colin McRae factor). Even Shumacher was often seen spinning off and sometimes crashing finding the limits of what was possible. Seb maybe makes it look too easy, always holding back a few percent of what might be ultimately possible. All the drivers are doing the same now to save the tyres and increase engine and gearbox life though.
Most viewers want to see them going as fast as they can and sometimes making mistakes.
Most viewers want to see them going as fast as they can and sometimes making mistakes.
bigzarelli said:
Several reasons:
- Horner's bulls
t about the two drivers being equal
- Horner's rabid defence of him in many of the above situations when it was clearly him in the wrong
I'd forgotten about those.... The last one reminds me of football managers. He said something racist? Better applaud him for having an opinion.- Horner's bulls
t about the two drivers being equal- Horner's rabid defence of him in many of the above situations when it was clearly him in the wrong
It is not the fact he wins but the way he does it. Shoots off the line and stays there. Stuffs his teammate whenever he can and the team is his team not a team at all. He manages the team. He has also had all his success with one team, not several and with clearly the best man in the sport, Adrian Newey.
There are people who dislike Rossi but when you look at how he has won his championships, he has silenced the detractors ime after time. When he moved to Yamaha, many thought him bonkers but he won first time out and since he left Honda they have struggled. His move to Ducati was not a success but it was done for the right reasons. Now back at Yamaha after "his" bike has been changed, he is still 4th in the chmpionship and improving again. Every race he is trying to win and it is not important where on the grid he is, somewhat like Senna, they will get to the front anyway. He clearly loves the sport and when usurped by younger riders, sees it not as a problem but fun.
There is the difference.
There are people who dislike Rossi but when you look at how he has won his championships, he has silenced the detractors ime after time. When he moved to Yamaha, many thought him bonkers but he won first time out and since he left Honda they have struggled. His move to Ducati was not a success but it was done for the right reasons. Now back at Yamaha after "his" bike has been changed, he is still 4th in the chmpionship and improving again. Every race he is trying to win and it is not important where on the grid he is, somewhat like Senna, they will get to the front anyway. He clearly loves the sport and when usurped by younger riders, sees it not as a problem but fun.
There is the difference.
I will admit that I found Senna's dominance a touch dull and rooted for "our Nige".
Hindsight has made me realise just how special he was.
Vettel is an excellent driver who can produce blistering speed exactly when it's needed, and can work the car to the limit from the lights on cold tyres with full tanks. I also thought he came over pretty well when he was on top gear.
I suspect it is just metronomic dominance that turns people off.
Hindsight has made me realise just how special he was.
Vettel is an excellent driver who can produce blistering speed exactly when it's needed, and can work the car to the limit from the lights on cold tyres with full tanks. I also thought he came over pretty well when he was on top gear.
I suspect it is just metronomic dominance that turns people off.
The thing is, Webber is made out to a top, sound bloke on the track.
In reality, he has has not given Seb an inch- so the multi 21 was a fair revenge.
Anyway, back on topic.
He is still young, when he swtiches teams, and build it up to a wining car peoples view will change.
He knows that, hence he doesn't care.
Good luck to him, and you know what, after being told not to wave his finger, and he did do it ("finnnggeeerr") from the last race - I respect him even more.
In reality, he has has not given Seb an inch- so the multi 21 was a fair revenge.
Anyway, back on topic.
He is still young, when he swtiches teams, and build it up to a wining car peoples view will change.
He knows that, hence he doesn't care.
Good luck to him, and you know what, after being told not to wave his finger, and he did do it ("finnnggeeerr") from the last race - I respect him even more.
soulfood9 said:
It's the index finger. He's massively talented and regularly outshines one of the F1 lineups for years but would I grab that finger and poke him in the eye with it? Absolutely.
And the "whoo hoo, that's what I'm talking about" bit over the radio is most annoying! Otherwise, I like the fact he does well and seems pleased every time he wins. Can't say more than that really, fair play to him!Perhaps we need him to show a few more faults and "character" to make him more human? But then he'd be slaughtered for that too so he can't really win. It's classic case of people knocking the winners.
When I think about motorsports greats, I often come back to thinking about Valentino Rossi in MotoGP. He has achieved phenomenal success (before Ducati, anyway) and the world over he was welcomed and adored by the fans (myself included). Yet he ran away with it time and time again, and even had the technical advantage during the first couple of 4-stroke seasons on the Honda RC211V. But there wasn't a great big complaining majority like Vettel receives. Maybe the masses just can't warm to Vettel; his victories are his victories, we do not feel invited to share the success with him like Rossi did (Rossi winning meant the watching audience would have revealed to them his latest victory celebration). And if we keep it within the realms of F1, Senna also made the audience feel as if it wasn't just a victory for the Brazilian but a victory for everyone who willed him on to the top step.
And, as a more personal opinion and off-topic, I don't see what the fuss about Raikkonen is. He's a great driver but to me comes across as quite rude.
And, as a more personal opinion and off-topic, I don't see what the fuss about Raikkonen is. He's a great driver but to me comes across as quite rude.
Sexual Chocolate said:
"You can only win races if your a great driver or driving an Adrian Newey car", so says Eddie Irvine. So which part of that is true for Vettel?
Far play to Vettel though, he keeps his private life well out of the way of all the media, perhaps this is why he isn't popular? He needs a twitter account and a Facebook page
Quite. I was just about to mention Eddie's comments (presume you also saw the Sky show). I think Vettel is an averagely talented driver in an astounding car.Far play to Vettel though, he keeps his private life well out of the way of all the media, perhaps this is why he isn't popular? He needs a twitter account and a Facebook page
Actually the thing I respect most about the guy is that he refuses to get all social-media friendly. Good on him for keeping his private life private.
prand said:
soulfood9 said:
It's the index finger. He's massively talented and regularly outshines one of the F1 lineups for years but would I grab that finger and poke him in the eye with it? Absolutely.
And the "whoo hoo, that's what I'm talking about" bit over the radio is most annoying! Otherwise, I like the fact he does well and seems pleased every time he wins. Can't say more than that really, fair play to him!Perhaps we need him to show a few more faults and "character" to make him more human? But then he'd be slaughtered for that too so he can't really win. It's classic case of people knocking the winners.
Janesy B said:
kenno78 said:
Multi 21.
Problem is people go on about 'people that dont go for a gap aren't racing drivers' yet when he shows a ruthless desire to win, it's shown as a flaw in his character.It's strange though, when I see him on other programmes away from F1 e.g. on Top Gear I find him quite a likeable character.
I think he was disliked long before the Multi 21 incident. Part of his problem is that Webber is such a well liked bloke and there's the feeling that Webber hasn't been treated equally by Red Bull. Therefore the feelings of unfairness regarding Mark are turned around and treated as feelings of dislike for Seb. People subconsciously (or consciously) feel that Seb is getting an unfair advantage over a very popular bloke, and that rankles. Of course the finger doesn't help, but he does seem to be a genuinely nice bloke. Having said that, I'm getting fed up of him winning.
The booing on the podium seems to stem from Ferrari fans not liking the fact the he's stopping Alonso becoming world champion. I guess when they start, others join in.
The booing on the podium seems to stem from Ferrari fans not liking the fact the he's stopping Alonso becoming world champion. I guess when they start, others join in.
I just find it hard to enjoy watching him win knowing that another driver on the grid would (in my opinion) be able to beat him regularly if they were in the same car. At least in the era of MS I don't really think there was a better driver out there, he was the best at that time and even when he first went to Ferrari the car was terrible yet he still pulled out some incredible drives and results (especially in the wet)... I believe Alonso, Hamilton & Kimi would all put up a great fight if they were in the same car and it would be far more exciting to watch.
None of this is Vettel's fault but people can only show their dissatisfaction towards him as if he wasn't winning loads of us would be enjoying it more, hell the car isn't even unreliable any more - you don't even get up on a Sunday with a hope he may suffer some sort of difficulty or complication in the race now. Hamilton has always had a touch of bad luck even when his car was good so at least he's always made it interesting.
None of this is Vettel's fault but people can only show their dissatisfaction towards him as if he wasn't winning loads of us would be enjoying it more, hell the car isn't even unreliable any more - you don't even get up on a Sunday with a hope he may suffer some sort of difficulty or complication in the race now. Hamilton has always had a touch of bad luck even when his car was good so at least he's always made it interesting.
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