RE: BMW i3: Review

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DonkeyApple

55,419 posts

170 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/green-motoring...

This article is quite interesting.

I'm not sure how valid it is as it doesn't include the 25% primary discount, so once you factor that in then the depreciation is more inline with conventional ICE cars, then when you consider that currently they are premium products (as in bought with surplus cash rather than a requirement) and compare to similar ICE cars in that vein then the curve is pretty much in line.

The battery pack deals also are not factored in so where the pack is leased, how is that figure factored in to the used sale cost?

It does seem obvious to me that EVs will depreciate faster as they are new and unproven so will carry a lot of risk discounting and also the value of the battery pack will for some time have a decay to zero value defined by the warranty period.

The article seems more political than factual?

ukmike2000

476 posts

169 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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mids said:
i3 given a 4 star NCAP rating.

Well written article explaining why : http://www.carsafetyrules.com/bmw-i3-four-star-saf...
Tristan Honeywill is however a one-man band with his website and no amount of clever writing can conceal the fact that pedestrian, side impact and whiplash protection on the i3 is somewhat lacking - three of the areas where typical city accidents are likely to have a significant effect. For a market leading company to fail with a cutting-edge, premium vehicle is not acceptable.
When the car is tested in the US it will get an even rougher ride.

It should also be stated that the new Nissan Note has a very similar set of results and again only four stars. Simply not good enough in 2013.

Neither of them get close to the figures of say the Ford Fiesta, Nissan Leaf or Renault Zoe which will be sharing the city environment.


bigweb

826 posts

229 months

Tuesday 10th December 2013
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Had a drive of one of these Today. Really surprised by how much I liked it. To about 40mph not sure there would be much which would live with it and with just a faint whoosh as an engine sound was incredibly refined.

If it suited my current life a little better I would have one like a shot.

sawman

4,920 posts

231 months

Monday 16th December 2013
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ds666 said:
RossP said:
I am leasing one through the business. Approx £400 per month based on 10,000 miles per annum over 3 years.
Zero benefit in kind in years one and two. 5% BIK in year three.
By the time I get mine it will be 0% in year 1 , 5% in year 2 ( 15/16 ?) and ?? in yr 3. Still , no fuel bik ...
I was quite tempted by one of these - just did a salary sacrifice quote with nhsfleetsolutions - £1200 per month for 3 years, in maintenance and insurance!

back to the shed.....

RossP

2,523 posts

284 months

Monday 16th December 2013
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£1.200 per month! How so?

bertie

8,550 posts

285 months

Monday 16th December 2013
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sawman said:
ds666 said:
RossP said:
I am leasing one through the business. Approx £400 per month based on 10,000 miles per annum over 3 years.
Zero benefit in kind in years one and two. 5% BIK in year three.
By the time I get mine it will be 0% in year 1 , 5% in year 2 ( 15/16 ?) and ?? in yr 3. Still , no fuel bik ...
I was quite tempted by one of these - just did a salary sacrifice quote with nhsfleetsolutions - £1200 per month for 3 years, in maintenance and insurance!

back to the shed.....
Fourteen thousand four hundred pounds a year??????

So over 3 years that's £43,200!!!!

Something is very wrong

Don't think my Ferrari 599 cost that much!!!!!!!

sawman

4,920 posts

231 months

Monday 16th December 2013
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bertie said:
Fourteen thousand four hundred pounds a year??????

So over 3 years that's £43,200!!!!

Something is very wrong

Don't think my Ferrari 599 cost that much!!!!!!!
It's bonkers isnt it - maybe paying the extra jumps the queue??

I ran another quote for an Ampera which came out at just over 700 quid, whilst a leaf (which I think costs about the same to buy) came in at a reasonable £250

Olf

11,974 posts

219 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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sawman said:
I was quite tempted by one of these - just did a salary sacrifice quote with nhsfleetsolutions - £1200 per month for 3 years, in maintenance and insurance!

back to the shed.....
Sounds like a glitch. My order was delayed due to pricing confusion.

mjb1

2,556 posts

160 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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Fag packet calculations (many best case assumptions):

CO2 per km works out about 71g (created by electricity generation, gas fired power station, or 124g/km from a coal fired power station).

Electricity costs about 6p/mile at domestic rates.
A 65mpg diesel car costs about 9p/mile in fuel.

It doesn't seem that big a step forward in those respects?

mids

1,505 posts

259 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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I make the electricity costs 1.4p/mile if charged at night (or 3.6p/mile for daytime) so 6p/mile seems very high. How did you work that out ?

mjb1

2,556 posts

160 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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I overestimated the unit cost of the electricity. Your figures are more like it.

QuantumTokoloshi

4,164 posts

218 months

Wednesday 28th May 2014
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I have heard some chatter about the level of telemetry that is sent back to BMW in real time, with the I3. It sounds like it will send a large amount of user telemetry back, radio station choice, music choice and as it uses the mobile network, location, speed etc.

I wonder if this, tied to the push for the in car insurance black box, is just the thing end of the wedge?

andyps

7,817 posts

283 months

Wednesday 28th May 2014
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QuantumTokoloshi said:
I have heard some chatter about the level of telemetry that is sent back to BMW in real time, with the I3. It sounds like it will send a large amount of user telemetry back, radio station choice, music choice and as it uses the mobile network, location, speed etc.

I wonder if this, tied to the push for the in car insurance black box, is just the thing end of the wedge?
If that is true it certainly puts me off buying one, or anything like it. Has anyone got one and seen paperwork which would verify this - it has to be in the small print somewhere otherwise if true BMW are probably breaking a few rules.

QuantumTokoloshi

4,164 posts

218 months

Wednesday 28th May 2014
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andyps said:
If that is true it certainly puts me off buying one, or anything like it. Has anyone got one and seen paperwork which would verify this - it has to be in the small print somewhere otherwise if true BMW are probably breaking a few rules.
I am not sure they are, it is much like the insurance logging of vehicle dynamic data.

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 28th May 2014
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QuantumTokoloshi said:
I have heard some chatter about the level of telemetry that is sent back to BMW in real time, with the I3. It sounds like it will send a large amount of user telemetry back, radio station choice, music choice and as it uses the mobile network, location, speed etc.

I wonder if this, tied to the push for the in car insurance black box, is just the thing end of the wedge?
Read the small print, and ANY bmw with "connected drive" can be logging data on you!


(so, far, that data is normalised and anonymised with respect to the individual source)

andywaterfall

948 posts

285 months

Wednesday 28th May 2014
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My BMW Insurance is tied to a mileage limit, and they send me a statement each month showing how many miles I've done & if I owe anything extra. I'm not bothered by the "big brother" aspect tbh.

f328nvl

507 posts

219 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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I also drove one recently and I liked it much more than I thought I would.

What BMW have built is a city car that performs, handles, is fantastically tax efficient and you don’t need to grow your hair, have a beard, join Greenpeace or compromise your normal life for.

http://www.honestjg.com/2014/07/bmw-i3-electric-ca...

pwlcarz

2 posts

110 months

Thursday 19th November 2015
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Wow!

BMW i3, Looks ...........




Hopeless!

Still only a range of 90 miles? Seriously?


A car for a small urban/big city elite. Who probably have a couple of V8 monsters tucked away in the mews garage they can call on for "proper" motoring!

For the rest of the population, going about our normal business or hacking up and down the nations motorways, just a waste of time. Even a days commuting around the urban sprawl of Birmingham or Manchester would have you worried about running out of power!

Lets talk again when there is an affordable electric car with a 300+ miles range that takes around 5 minutes to recharge.

RossP

2,523 posts

284 months

Thursday 19th November 2015
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Holy thread resurrection!

Challo

10,172 posts

156 months

Thursday 19th November 2015
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pwlcarz said:
Wow!

BMW i3, Looks ...........




Hopeless!

Still only a range of 90 miles? Seriously?


A car for a small urban/big city elite. Who probably have a couple of V8 monsters tucked away in the mews garage they can call on for "proper" motoring!

For the rest of the population, going about our normal business or hacking up and down the nations motorways, just a waste of time. Even a days commuting around the urban sprawl of Birmingham or Manchester would have you worried about running out of power!

Lets talk again when there is an affordable electric car with a 300+ miles range that takes around 5 minutes to recharge.
I read somewhere that the average daily miles driven is very small so in actual fact an all electric car is a good idea and perfectly suited. The difficulty is the longer journeys but this is why most people who have an electric car would also have a petrol/diesel car in the family.