Is the Lancer Evo FQ-400 the fastest 4-door car ever made?

[Lefty]

Tickle said:

Whats the measure of fastness?
0-60, 0-100, round a track, b-roads, point-to-point, top end?

Would imagine the EVO would be quicker than most if not all of the German models (Panamera, M5, RS6 etc) mentioned if on b-roads or point to point. It was at the end of the day designed to cope with harsh roads, wet, snow and changes of direction/camber etc. The others would have the legs to pull away from it over a long distance in a straight line...... Bit of a waste of an EVO if its just used for straight line drags.

But the evo 360 is meant to be quicker point to point than the 400 because of the power delivery.

The only objective way to measure it is on lap times (in same conditions with same driver) or on a drag strip.

[DB89]

Lefty said:

But the evo 360 is meant to be quicker point to point than the 400 because of the power delivery.

I'd say this were true, plus it has a little more torque. Also a 9 will be quicker than a 10 for weighing in quite a bit less (1560kg plays 1400kg). A friend had a standard IX FQ 360 and that went just fine!

[Tickle]

Lefty I was just really referring to General EVO's in context to some of the other cars mentioned. Not if the 360 was quicker than the 400. I see what you mean though sometimes HP doesn't instantly translate into a faster car.

[m4tti]

Ali752 said:

the ones that can compete with all the expensive 2-door super cars like Lamborghini Aventador

List of Top Gear test track Power Lap Times

01:16.5 Lamborghini Aventador
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01:24.8 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR FQ-400

Doesnt get anywhere close...

[DB89]

No but to be fair to the Evo that lap was in less than ideal conditions.

[Tezzpip]

kambites said:

alistair1234 said:

Modified evo 180mph in 9 seconds? Really? Or do you mean 124mph?!

That would make it on a par with a current F1 car. I'd guess it'd need of the order of 2000bhp with no gain in weight to do that.

The Norris Design Evo is close it can get to 170 in around 9 seconds although its heavily modified.

http://www.lancerregister.com/showthread.php?t=466...

[m4tti]

DB89 said:

No but to be fair to the Evo that lap was in less than ideal conditions.

Nope.. doesnt indicate wet.. the same for the FQ320 which did 1:26. Indicates in this list whether it was a wet lap

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Top_Gear_test...

[DB89]

It wasn't raining or standing water anywhere, just cold/damp/greasy conditions.

[m4tti]

DB89 said:

It wasn't raining or standing water anywhere, just cold/damp/greasy conditions.

Perhaps tested twice then as the list also indicates "damp"...

[Bear Phils]

Megaflow said:

I think even 124mph is optimistic. The first would make it 7.5 seconds fasterthan a McLaren P1, and by that token 13 seconds faster than a McLaren F1.

Even the second figure seems optimistic, it is only 2.2 seconds slower than a McLaren P1, considering the P1 has a total power output of 916bhp and weighs 1395kg, where as the Mitsubishi has 403bhp and weighs 1540kg.

As the cars limited to 155, they could have the gear geared to a much lower speed, so it could accelerate faster and lose out on the top end.

Plus while the P1 is fighting for grip, the Evo is able to put most, if not all, of it's power down on the road.

[mrmr96]

CedricN said:

Is the Fq400 homologated anywhere outside Uk?

It's not even homologated in the UK. All Evos up to the Evo 9 were not type approved in the UK, with the exception of the 8-260. So the 8 MR FQ400 was also not type approved. They were, instead, all individually SVA'd.

[NotNormal]

Lotus Carlton held the "fastest production 4 door saloon car" for quite some time until the Bentley flying spur came along which goes over 200mph and I believe still holds the current top spot.

I stress the Production terminology because yes there are a couple of faster 4 door cars but these are low number tuner cars and are not true production models. The fact cars are electronically limited also plays its part in the terminology.

The OP is also confusing when using the word "fastest" and then talking about acceleration and top speed in the same context. They are two different disciplines in my view as it all depends on drivetrain of any particular car.

[mrmr96]

NotNormal said:

The OP is also confusing when using the word "fastest" and then talking about acceleration and top speed in the same context. They are two different disciplines in my view as it all depends on drivetrain of any particular car.

Indeed, there can be lots of different potential definitions of 'fastest'.
0-60
0-100
0-180
0-Whatever
Top Speed
Quarter Mile Time
Top Gear Lap
Nurburgring Lap
Silverstone Lap
Bedford Lap
Isle of Man Lap
Evo Triangle Lap
Whatever track Lap

[Ali752]

alistair1234 said:

New M6 grand coupe must be close?

Modified evo 180mph in 9 seconds? Really? Or do you mean 124mph?!

AMS evo in America is the fastest evo in the world and it has around 1000bhp, i'd say you have to spend about $50,000 on AMS performance parts to make it do 180mph in 9 seconds, i think norris design evo in the uk has 800 bhp with similar statistics.

[Ali752]

m4tti said:

List of Top Gear test track Power Lap Times

01:16.5 Lamborghini Aventador
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.
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01:24.8 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR FQ-400

Doesnt get anywhere close...

yeah thats true, and its exactly the whole point of this discussion, i haven't looked at that list properly and i dont think there would be a 4-door car with better time on that list, if there is then do mention it, but the whole point is that is evo the fastest 4-door option if you want to compete with a 2-door super car on an average race track or around the city, or is there a 4-door car that can do better? because so far i haven't found any and evo seems to be the best one if you modify it to match a car like Aventador. Even if you don't modify it, it still seems to be the fastest option when you compare it to other 4-door cars.

[Ali752]

kambites said:

I think the Brabus Rocket is probably the quickest "production" four-door by that metric.

0-62 in 3.2 seconds.
227mph top speed.

yeah thats pretty close to a 2-door super car but i'm still in search of a 4-door car that does 0-60 in around 2.5secs and also has a top speed of over 200mph so it can match a 2-door super car.

[Ali752]

NotNormal said:

Lotus Carlton held the "fastest production 4 door saloon car" for quite some time until the Bentley flying spur came along which goes over 200mph and I believe still holds the current top spot.

I stress the Production terminology because yes there are a couple of faster 4 door cars but these are low number tuner cars and are not true production models. The fact cars are electronically limited also plays its part in the terminology.

The OP is also confusing when using the word "fastest" and then talking about acceleration and top speed in the same context. They are two different disciplines in my view as it all depends on drivetrain of any particular car.

i have looked up the stats of Lotus Carlton and Bentley flying spur but both of them would not do better than the evo against a 2-door super car. Also since the FQ models are produced by Mitsubishi uk, doesn't that mean they are "true production models".

yes of course some people want more top speed and some want more acceleration but what i want to know is that is there a 4-door car that would match a 2-door super car on an average track with average turns and corners OR around a city. I mean not everyone is a top gear professional, most people test their cars out on public roads and local race tracks. So when i say fastest, i mean fastest around a track or on a public road.

[Ali752]

Just looked at that top gear power lap list, i cant seem to find a 4-door car with better lap time than the FQ-400. Also the evo might have done around 1-2 seconds better if it wasn't a damp track.

Tickle said:

Whats the measure of fastness?
0-60, 0-100, round a track, b-roads, point-to-point, top end?

Would imagine the EVO would be quicker than most if not all of the German models (Panamera, M5, RS6 etc) mentioned if on b-roads or point to point. It was at the end of the day designed to cope with harsh roads, wet, snow and changes of direction/camber etc. The others would have the legs to pull away from it over a long distance in a straight line...... Bit of a waste of an EVO if its just used for straight line drags.

yeah most of the fast 4-door cars have excellent top speeds but i don't think they would be as good as the evo on a track or on public roads. So far i think evo is the fastest option and closest to 2-door super cars even though it can be 3-5 secs slower than a super car around a track but this is the best a 4-door car can do against a super car. Of course if you spend some money and modify it, it would definitely match the 2-door super cars around a track or around the city.

P.S. As i'm getting older my interest is going towards luxury but i still love performance so thats why i started this topic. I love Evo's, i just sold my 1997 evo that had 420bhp and i never got outrun by any car ever, not even a Ferrari but as we all know that evo's aren't great cars when it comes to comfort, reliability and maintenance, i'm starting to like fast luxury cars and wanted to know if i could get luxury, performance, comfort and 4-doors all in one or is evo the only option if you want to compete with 2-door super cars.

[Megaflow]

Ali752 said:

alistair1234 said:

New M6 grand coupe must be close?

Modified evo 180mph in 9 seconds? Really? Or do you mean 124mph?!

AMS evo in America is the fastest evo in the world and it has around 1000bhp, i'd say you have to spend about $50,000 on AMS performance parts to make it do 180mph in 9 seconds, i think norris design evo in the uk has 800 bhp with similar statistics.

So that wasn't a typo and you really think you can make an Evo do 0-180mph in 9 seconds...

ETA: I am quite sure the above can be done, look at Red Victor 3, however it will most certainly not be a suitable daily driver afterwards.

Edited by Megaflow on Friday 1st November 08:24

[Tickle]

I agree if you spent some money tuning one it could keep up with some 2 door super cars on a track. BUT round a city??? what sort of measure of 'fastness' is that. I dont think a super car would be good round a city at all, what with speed bumps, big turning circle etc. More to the point why on earth would you want to test any cars ability in a city!!!

Ali752 said:

yeah most of the fast 4-door cars have excellent top speeds but i don't think they would be as good as the evo on a track or on public roads. So far i think evo is the fastest option and closest to 2-door super cars even though it can be 3-5 secs slower than a super car around a track but this is the best a 4-door car can do against a super car. Of course if you spend some money and modify it, it would definitely match the 2-door super cars around a track or around the city.

P.S. As i'm getting older my interest is going towards luxury but i still love performance so thats why i started this topic. I love Evo's, i just sold my 1997 evo that had 420bhp and i never got outrun by any car ever, not even a Ferrari but as we all know that evo's aren't great cars when it comes to comfort, reliability and maintenance, i'm starting to like fast luxury cars and wanted to know if i could get luxury, performance, comfort and 4-doors all in one or is evo the only option if you want to compete with 2-door super cars.