XKR v C63 v M3 v 997

[Vron]

Having owned three out of four on the list I would go for the 997.

[bennyboysvuk]

toasty said:

Maybe that or keep the E46 and buy an old Elise/VX220 for weekend fun.

If your E46 M3 is your daily, I don't think an Elise or VX220T will be hard core enough for weekend use.

[monthefish]

For me it'd be between the 997 or the XKR, and would depend on which type of driving was predominant. The 997 is the more sporty of the two, but I implore you to drive the XKR before making your mind up - it is a great machine and worlds apart from the old X100 XKR.

The merc and the BMW aren't special enough in my opinion.

[steve singh]

monthefish said:

For me it'd be between the 997 or the XKR, and would depend on which type of driving was predominant. The 997 is the more sporty of the two, but I implore you to drive the XKR before making your mind up - it is a great machine and worlds apart from the old X100 XKR.

The merc and the BMW aren't special enough in my opinion.

I'm not sure how old the OP is, but no matter how good the Jag is, don't you feel that you have to be over 55 years old to get one - it's almost a precursor to retirement?

[monthefish]

steve singh said:

monthefish said:

For me it'd be between the 997 or the XKR, and would depend on which type of driving was predominant. The 997 is the more sporty of the two, but I implore you to drive the XKR before making your mind up - it is a great machine and worlds apart from the old X100 XKR.

The merc and the BMW aren't special enough in my opinion.

I'm not sure how old the OP is, but no matter how good the Jag is, don't you feel that you have to be over 55 years old to get one - it's almost a precursor to retirement?

Not having a go, but do you still tell Skoda jokes?

I'm aware that Jaguar did suffer an image problem in the past but anyone who is supposedly into their cars will be aware that it is no longer the case.

There isn't any model of the current Jaguar range that I wouldn't be happy to own, and I'm at least one generation below 55.

[steve singh]

monthefish said:

steve singh said:

monthefish said:

For me it'd be between the 997 or the XKR, and would depend on which type of driving was predominant. The 997 is the more sporty of the two, but I implore you to drive the XKR before making your mind up - it is a great machine and worlds apart from the old X100 XKR.

The merc and the BMW aren't special enough in my opinion.

I'm not sure how old the OP is, but no matter how good the Jag is, don't you feel that you have to be over 55 years old to get one - it's almost a precursor to retirement?

Not having a go, but do you still tell Skoda jokes?

I'm aware that Jaguar did suffer an image problem in the past but anyone who is supposedly into their cars will be aware that it is no longer the case.

There isn't any model of the current Jaguar range that I wouldn't be happy to own, and I'm at least one generation below 55.

Oi, the skoda jokes represent some of my best material !!!

Seriously though I would never buy a skoda either no matter how good they are, and given the jag is around 270bhp per tonne (at a guess) then i couldn't overcome my internal brand perceptions and buy one - it's a car for my dad still !!!

What do you call a skoda with a sunroof...

[B3NNL]

The XKR-S we took to Europe last year achieved an admiarble 186mph on the Autobahns. Didn't feel the need to retire whilst driving it!
The 5ltr XKR can quite easily be tuned and uprated to achieve close to 600bhp. If I didn't have a penchant for plastic British cars, the Jag would be in my garage before any of the rest.

[toasty]

Haha, I'm 43 and do question whether I'm ready/suitable for a Jaguar as I can be a scruffy oik at times. Then again I've reached the age where I do appreciate a bit of refinement as long as a bit of fun is also available.

The 997 reliability does worry me and I hear the 2nd Gen may be better in this respect but it's unfortunately out of budget at the moment. I'd like PDK as I love the SMG in the E46.

M3 may be good but it'd be my 4th BMW in a row and there is some debate about whether it's 'better' than the E46.

C63 does interest me, mainly for the sound and poke.

370Z doesn't do it for me.

996 Turbo is getting dated as is E39 M5.

E60 M5 too fragile and thirsty.

Monaro poor image.

GTR seems huge and thirsty.

I'll try and get some test drives in...

[sjc]

toasty said:

Monaro poor image.

Only for people who can't see past a badge.

[toasty]

sjc said:

Only for people who can't see past a badge.

Fair point, there are just some cars I get and others I don't. VX220, Lotus Carlton or Maloo all look good to me but the Monaro just doesn't.

Lexus ISF was another potential option but the interior was a let down.

[steve singh]

toasty said:

sjc said:

Only for people who can't see past a badge.

Fair point, there are just some cars I get and others I don't. VX220, Lotus Carlton or Maloo all look good to me but the Monaro just doesn't.

Lexus ISF was another potential option but the interior was a let down.

C63 is good - but I think it's the facelift you want and not sure how much they are.

I've had 3-4 E46 M3s, Porsches of various types, a Merc c class for the other half, and few hot hatches.

I purchased an E92 m3 and sounds like I went through the same thought process as you.

This is how it will go down if you purchase the e92...

Week one - you sit in it and you'll think beautiful cabin, sublime manual gearbox and amazing handling.

Week two - you'll start to think hmmm the e46 sounded better - then you'll google search

Week three - you do the £100 exhaust mod and think OMG this sounds like a Maserati and no drone

Week four - damn this is faster than the e46, more torque lower down and mid range pull is huge

Week five - omg, this power combined with the handling, friggin love this car

Week six - wow i can change the settings via idrive and with edc i can have a cruiser ride or a beast - I LOVE THIS CAR IT IS AMAZING!!!!!!!!



Well, that's what I went through !!!,

[jamieduff1981]

steve singh said:

monthefish said:

For me it'd be between the 997 or the XKR, and would depend on which type of driving was predominant. The 997 is the more sporty of the two, but I implore you to drive the XKR before making your mind up - it is a great machine and worlds apart from the old X100 XKR.

The merc and the BMW aren't special enough in my opinion.

I'm not sure how old the OP is, but no matter how good the Jag is, don't you feel that you have to be over 55 years old to get one - it's almost a precursor to retirement?

You called me a clown for pointing out that a C63's torque will be more useful than an M3's handling for full car load on a recent thread, and then you post this drivel. It would be a good candidate for verbal diarrhea post of the week award.

[cerb4.5lee]

I think I would go with a C63 or 997 out of that bunch, I run a manual E92 M3 as my daily & it wasn't very long before I personally got bored with it, very ordinary cabin, very little noise from it in standard guise & it didn't take me long to get frustrated with the brakes & it's overall weight.

Plus once you have had it a few months it doesn't feel that quick either & you soon get used to it, it's a very good allrounder but if you are after drama there isn't much to see here.

The E92 M3 is a very highly rated car without doubt but its not got my juices flowing or lit my fire but we all look for different things admitted & my bro in law has a E93 M3 & he really misses his old E46 M3 which speaks volumes I think.

[sjc]

jamieduff1981 said:

steve singh said:

monthefish said:

For me it'd be between the 997 or the XKR, and would depend on which type of driving was predominant. The 997 is the more sporty of the two, but I implore you to drive the XKR before making your mind up - it is a great machine and worlds apart from the old X100 XKR.

The merc and the BMW aren't special enough in my opinion.

I'm not sure how old the OP is, but no matter how good the Jag is, don't you feel that you have to be over 55 years old to get one - it's almost a precursor to retirement?

You called me a clown for pointing out that a C63's torque will be more useful than an M3's handling for full car load on a recent thread, and then you post this drivel. It would be a good candidate for verbal diarrhea post of the week award.

As are the constant references to the M3 doing 0-100mph in under 10 seconds.

[steve singh]

jamieduff1981 said:

steve singh said:

monthefish said:

For me it'd be between the 997 or the XKR, and would depend on which type of driving was predominant. The 997 is the more sporty of the two, but I implore you to drive the XKR before making your mind up - it is a great machine and worlds apart from the old X100 XKR.

The merc and the BMW aren't special enough in my opinion.

I'm not sure how old the OP is, but no matter how good the Jag is, don't you feel that you have to be over 55 years old to get one - it's almost a precursor to retirement?

You called me a clown for pointing out that a C63's torque will be more useful than an M3's handling for full car load on a recent thread, and then you post this drivel. It would be a good candidate for verbal diarrhea post of the week award.

Your post was stating drivel as facts whereas this is a personal view about brand perception.

You still haven't got the hang of this internet thing have you?

[jamieduff1981]

steve singh said:

jamieduff1981 said:

steve singh said:

monthefish said:

For me it'd be between the 997 or the XKR, and would depend on which type of driving was predominant. The 997 is the more sporty of the two, but I implore you to drive the XKR before making your mind up - it is a great machine and worlds apart from the old X100 XKR.

The merc and the BMW aren't special enough in my opinion.

I'm not sure how old the OP is, but no matter how good the Jag is, don't you feel that you have to be over 55 years old to get one - it's almost a precursor to retirement?

You called me a clown for pointing out that a C63's torque will be more useful than an M3's handling for full car load on a recent thread, and then you post this drivel. It would be a good candidate for verbal diarrhea post of the week award.

Your post was stating drivel as facts whereas this is a personal view about brand perception.

You still haven't got the hang of this internet thing have you?

I can't argue with you on this moronic level. You'd beat me on experience.

[steve singh]

sjc said:

jamieduff1981 said:

steve singh said:

monthefish said:

For me it'd be between the 997 or the XKR, and would depend on which type of driving was predominant. The 997 is the more sporty of the two, but I implore you to drive the XKR before making your mind up - it is a great machine and worlds apart from the old X100 XKR.

The merc and the BMW aren't special enough in my opinion.

I'm not sure how old the OP is, but no matter how good the Jag is, don't you feel that you have to be over 55 years old to get one - it's almost a precursor to retirement?

You called me a clown for pointing out that a C63's torque will be more useful than an M3's handling for full car load on a recent thread, and then you post this drivel. It would be a good candidate for verbal diarrhea post of the week award.

As are the constant references to the M3 doing 0-100mph in under 10 seconds.

Sorry yes, should say 9.4 secs

http://fastestlaps.com/cars/bmw_m3_e92.html

[steve singh]

jamieduff1981 said:

steve singh said:

jamieduff1981 said:

steve singh said:

monthefish said:

For me it'd be between the 997 or the XKR, and would depend on which type of driving was predominant. The 997 is the more sporty of the two, but I implore you to drive the XKR before making your mind up - it is a great machine and worlds apart from the old X100 XKR.

The merc and the BMW aren't special enough in my opinion.

I'm not sure how old the OP is, but no matter how good the Jag is, don't you feel that you have to be over 55 years old to get one - it's almost a precursor to retirement?

You called me a clown for pointing out that a C63's torque will be more useful than an M3's handling for full car load on a recent thread, and then you post this drivel. It would be a good candidate for verbal diarrhea post of the week award.

Your post was stating drivel as facts whereas this is a personal view about brand perception.

You still haven't got the hang of this internet thing have you?

I can't argue with you on this moronic level. You'd beat me on experience.

Great comeback - relax, you get too stressed - i cannot even recall the comment but it seems to have had a profound effect on you, no malice intended!!!

[jamieduff1981]

steve singh said:

jamieduff1981 said:

steve singh said:

jamieduff1981 said:

steve singh said:

monthefish said:

For me it'd be between the 997 or the XKR, and would depend on which type of driving was predominant. The 997 is the more sporty of the two, but I implore you to drive the XKR before making your mind up - it is a great machine and worlds apart from the old X100 XKR.

The merc and the BMW aren't special enough in my opinion.

I'm not sure how old the OP is, but no matter how good the Jag is, don't you feel that you have to be over 55 years old to get one - it's almost a precursor to retirement?

You called me a clown for pointing out that a C63's torque will be more useful than an M3's handling for full car load on a recent thread, and then you post this drivel. It would be a good candidate for verbal diarrhea post of the week award.

Your post was stating drivel as facts whereas this is a personal view about brand perception.

You still haven't got the hang of this internet thing have you?

I can't argue with you on this moronic level. You'd beat me on experience.

Great comeback - relax, you get too stressed - i cannot even recall the comment but it seems to have had a profound effect on you, no malice intended!!!

[sjc]

steve singh said:

sjc said:

jamieduff1981 said:

steve singh said:

monthefish said:

For me it'd be between the 997 or the XKR, and would depend on which type of driving was predominant. The 997 is the more sporty of the two, but I implore you to drive the XKR before making your mind up - it is a great machine and worlds apart from the old X100 XKR.

The merc and the BMW aren't special enough in my opinion.

I'm not sure how old the OP is, but no matter how good the Jag is, don't you feel that you have to be over 55 years old to get one - it's almost a precursor to retirement?

You called me a clown for pointing out that a C63's torque will be more useful than an M3's handling for full car load on a recent thread, and then you post this drivel. It would be a good candidate for verbal diarrhea post of the week award.

As are the constant references to the M3 doing 0-100mph in under 10 seconds.

Sorry yes, should say 9.4 secs

http://fastestlaps.com/cars/bmw_m3_e92.html

Every test I've seen from respected mags etc it's been between 10.5 to 11.5 secs to 100 mph,which is bang on BMW's figures ( and plenty quick enough).Where did that test come from? I've got no axe to grind either way, other than being in several genuine sub 10 secs cars and the M3 not ever feeling like one.