Why bikers die

[GTIR]

Art0ir said:

Fire99 said:

Death is usually why bikers die. Tends to be pretty fatal too.. Very hard to treat

In the short term at least, but does anyone really know the long term effects?

I died recently whilst on my motorbike.

I'm still dead but hoping to be ok soon.

[anonymous-user]

swerni said:

I think you're mixing up your morons with your rapists

...so easy to do

[Fire99]

GTIR said:

Art0ir said:

Fire99 said:

Death is usually why bikers die. Tends to be pretty fatal too.. Very hard to treat

In the short term at least, but does anyone really know the long term effects?

I died recently whilst on my motorbike.

I'm still dead but hoping to be ok soon.

To be fair, the prognosis is pretty bleak. Though some revolutionary scientists have had some success with pygmy dwarf mice , where they ride a sports bike down a pedestrian precinct at around 100, on the back wheel, perform a giant stoppie and then perform 2 rolling burn-outs..

Sadly none have survived yet but they were cool little biker mice.

[Dr Doofenshmirtz]

GTIR said:

Art0ir said:

Fire99 said:

Death is usually why bikers die. Tends to be pretty fatal too.. Very hard to treat

In the short term at least, but does anyone really know the long term effects?

I died recently whilst on my motorbike.

I'm still dead but hoping to be ok soon.

[psgcarey]

One of my friends is firmly in the category of the summer weekend only sports bike rider category. There's a group of five of them that normally go out together, and quite openly admit to doing 150+ mph on country A and B roads.

Each and every one of them is of the opinion that if a car driver pulls out on them when they are doing these speeds it is their own fault. They do not expect the car driver to be prepared to have a bike suddenly appear on them at over twice the limit.

Somehow they have all made it to their early forties, with only one accident between them, when he went in the back of a car travelling much slower, and landed in the road in front of the car. Was knocked out, put apart from that just bumps and scratches. Very lucky.

[M11 MFP]

yonex said:

SteveSteveson said:

Well if cyclists actually looked for bikes... Also, I have to question that. If the bike clips you he is going to come off far worse than you, and bikes have plenty of room to pass a bike.

How the hell is the biker going to come off worse..unless he travelling at a daft speed? Leathers, chest and back protector, helmet and gloves vs lycra..hmmmm

Look for bikes, you don't have to really as most of the middle aged heroes have noisy cans. Shame some of them think it's amusing to scare the crap out of cyclists.

Fairly clear cut result at lowish speeds.

This is some poor riding on the Mulholland drive, a case of target fixation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNFaAqS2f18

[J4CKO]

psgcarey said:

One of my friends is firmly in the category of the summer weekend only sports bike rider category. There's a group of five of them that normally go out together, and quite openly admit to doing 150+ mph on country A and B roads.

Each and every one of them is of the opinion that if a car driver pulls out on them when they are doing these speeds it is their own fault. They do not expect the car driver to be prepared to have a bike suddenly appear on them at over twice the limit.

Somehow they have all made it to their early forties, with only one accident between them, when he went in the back of a car travelling much slower, and landed in the road in front of the car. Was knocked out, put apart from that just bumps and scratches. Very lucky.

I shall bear in mind them taking responsibility,



Unlikely, and the boot is usually on the other foot, it being a size thing but a 200 kilo projectile (plus rider) doing 150 is a big risk to anyone, even in a car.

[Rubin215]

Thehandshake said:

Rubin215 said:

Ignorance isn't normally given a numerical value.

But if you insist, can we make it two; two much ignorance...

My original post was a typo but only a mentally challanged person wouldn't know what I meant by what I wrote. I hope that you reported your condition to DVLA?

Naaaahhh, you're not getting away with that one; you made an horrendous gramatical cock-up on the internet and got found out.

You probably don't even know when to use less or fewer correctly without consulting google.

Oh and by the way, if you insist on being offensive, it's challenged, with an e...

[jimbop1]

Crossflow Kid said:

T0nup said:

Some sports bikers get my goat... On what planet is it safe to wheely to 90 mph + in a 30 limit?

I've seen bikers do that and live so I guess the answer to your question is "Earth"

Haha!!

It's not safe on any planet but biking in general isn't safe.... It's bloody good fun though!

[mybrainhurts]

Ejector seats. Why has nobody thought about ejector seats...?

[Mastodon2]

[redacted]

[Joey Ramone]

Mastodon2 said:

I think if I ever got to the relaxed mindset of cruising along on bike thinking "this is great, nothing could go wrong here", I'd probably ask if I should really be biking at all.

Nah. I've been riding a litre plus sports bike pretty much every day for the last 10 years and I regularly bimble along,chilled out, thinking 'this is great, nothing could go wrong here' because for the vast majority of the time that's exactly how it is. I just stay observant, keep my distance, watch my mirrors and establish eye contact with the drivers in front of me. I know exactly what the bike can do and only overtake into a closing gap if it's abundantly clear that I can make it. If traffic is stationary and I'm filtering then never more than 15-20 mph. I'll keep filtering on motorways once traffic speed is up to 40 then I get into lane. I reserve lifesavers for motorways due to a nasty blindspot on my right three quarter side. Other than that I just use common sense. That's about it.

People say that you should ride as if car drivers are trying to kill you. Ridiculous.If you genuinely thought other drivers were trying to kill you why the fk would even leave the house, let alone get on a motorbike?

[trackerjack]

GC8 said:

You seem to be suggesting that the motorcyclist was soley at fault here?

Not really but a combo of errors with the bias on the bike rider (the car driver was fined).
Many answered my post saying "my question", there was no question mark it was a statement "why bikers die".
Bikers are dying a lot on our roads due to the type of riding I saw.
The guy who said his mates know that its likely that a road user might pull out on them because they are twice the limit, bully for them it does not stop the poor devil they hit dying too.
You have to love someone before you can appreciate that it is those that are left that do the suffering not the silly sod that dies, or are mad bikers devoid of family and brains?

[Escort3500]

Rubin215 said:

Thehandshake said:

Rubin215 said:

Ignorance isn't normally given a numerical value.

But if you insist, can we make it two; two much ignorance...

My original post was a typo but only a mentally challanged person wouldn't know what I meant by what I wrote. I hope that you reported your condition to DVLA?

Naaaahhh, you're not getting away with that one; you made an horrendous gramatical cock-up on the internet and got found out.

You probably don't even know when to use less or fewer correctly without consulting google.

Oh and by the way, if you insist on being offensive, it's challenged, with an e..

And grammatical with double m...

[Rubin215]

Escort3500 said:

Rubin215 said:

Thehandshake said:

Rubin215 said:

Ignorance isn't normally given a numerical value.

But if you insist, can we make it two; two much ignorance...

My original post was a typo but only a mentally challanged person wouldn't know what I meant by what I wrote. I hope that you reported your condition to DVLA?

Naaaahhh, you're not getting away with that one; you made an horrendous gramatical cock-up on the internet and got found out.

You probably don't even know when to use less or fewer correctly without consulting google.

Oh and by the way, if you insist on being offensive, it's challenged, with an e..

And grammatical with double m...

Nah, that was delebirate, onest...

:rolf:

[dapearson]

Joey Ramone said:

Nah. I've been riding a litre plus sports bike pretty much every day for the last 10 years and I regularly bimble along,chilled out, thinking 'this is great, nothing could go wrong here' because for the vast majority of the time that's exactly how it is. I just stay observant, keep my distance, watch my mirrors and establish eye contact with the drivers in front of me. I know exactly what the bike can do and only overtake into a closing gap if it's abundantly clear that I can make it. If traffic is stationary and I'm filtering then never more than 15-20 mph. I'll keep filtering on motorways once traffic speed is up to 40 then I get into lane. I reserve lifesavers for motorways due to a nasty blindspot on my right three quarter side. Other than that I just use common sense. That's about it.

People say that you should ride as if car drivers are trying to kill you. Ridiculous.If you genuinely thought other drivers were trying to kill you why the fk would even leave the house, let alone get on a motorbike?

What he said. 100%

[daemonoid]

Joey Ramone said:

Nah. I've been riding a litre plus sports bike pretty much every day for the last 10 years and I regularly bimble along,chilled out, thinking 'this is great, nothing could go wrong here' because for the vast majority of the time that's exactly how it is. I just stay observant, keep my distance, watch my mirrors and establish eye contact with the drivers in front of me. I know exactly what the bike can do and only overtake into a closing gap if it's abundantly clear that I can make it. If traffic is stationary and I'm filtering then never more than 15-20 mph. I'll keep filtering on motorways once traffic speed is up to 40 then I get into lane. I reserve lifesavers for motorways due to a nasty blindspot on my right three quarter side. Other than that I just use common sense. That's about it.

People say that you should ride as if car drivers are trying to kill you. Ridiculous.If you genuinely thought other drivers were trying to kill you why the fk would even leave the house, let alone get on a motorbike?

I'm a bit lower powered with my sports inspired (16 year old) 750 commuter. Thing is it's still one of the fastest things on the road and car drivers simply do not realise the capability of the machine. I overtake occasionally when I can see an oncoming car, I'm back in with normally 50m to spare yet there's often puzzled or angry looks from the drivers along with the occasional flashed lights to tell me the error of my ways.

This is probably a symptom of the main problem fuelling the argument between riders and drivers... drivers in particular do not know the other side of the fence. They do not realise that a bike can overtake safely in the blink of an eye because they are used to the way they overtake. In a worrying number of cases they do not realise that filtering is legal and even (nowadays) referred to in the highway code.

Looking at it from the other direction I'm amazed how many motorcyclists don't realise how poor the visibility is from modern cars and their huge pillars. I'm also amazed by how few of both groups who don't realise trucks are speed limited in most cases... and have different speed limits on many roads.

I would absolutely love it if everyone had to try out other vehicles as part of continuous driver/rider training. I know it's not going to happen, but I'm sure it would give an appreciation to the different characteristics of vehicles. Until it does though, I think there's just going to be silly arguments on forums and in pubs with wild exaggerations and individual instances colouring judgement of all similar road users, oh well, gives us something to talk about...

[Fastra]

Not sure whether he intended to 'run' the light, but is so then this is why bikers might die too:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e69_1384052615


Damn good save though.

[dapearson]

Fastra said:

Not sure whether he intended to 'run' the light, but is so then this is why bikers might die too:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e69_1384052615


Damn good save though.

What a prat

[Joey Ramone]

dapearson said:

What a prat

Indeed. Conplete arse. And accelerating away at the end was symptomatic of him realising what a cock he'd been and how he wanted to the earth to swallow him up and hide him. Knob.

Points made above are valid. Unless you've ridden a bike you'll never get the fact that some overtaking manouevres that would be inherently dangerous in the majority of cars are absolutely child's play on a bike. But on the whole, stupid driving and stupid riding are obvious to all.

The other point about window pillars is also pertinent. I learned to drive last week (age 40) and I just could not get over the blind spot I had in that 2 O' clock position. I found it extremely uncomfortable at first. In fact I was even leaning toward the instructor as we went round roundabouts so I could get an unobstructed view. He thought I was barking