Tell ME i'm wrong: VW Golf Owners
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OGR4M said:
I have a 2001 VW Bora diesel - essentially the same as the golf of that age. Perfect vehicle.
there's a plethora of different amounts of power, pretty much down to the ECU tuning among other tweaks. I have the 115PS model with 191,000 miles on it. Serviced every 10,000 miles and I do about 20,000+ per year.
The 115 engine seem to get through head gaskets fairly readily - mine blew within 3 weeks of purchase, not cheap!
130PS is the one to go for, as far as my experience goes. but they tend to be slightly more pricey predictably.
Useful info there thanks.there's a plethora of different amounts of power, pretty much down to the ECU tuning among other tweaks. I have the 115PS model with 191,000 miles on it. Serviced every 10,000 miles and I do about 20,000+ per year.
The 115 engine seem to get through head gaskets fairly readily - mine blew within 3 weeks of purchase, not cheap!
130PS is the one to go for, as far as my experience goes. but they tend to be slightly more pricey predictably.
I HAD originally ruled out the 130 and 150 as I dont want this for performance and want to keep insurance low so was thinking about the 100BHP ones or the 110s.
I shall keep an eye out for the 130s.
elementad said:
It certainly means i will open my mind a little more with them though and as per another posters comments i will consider Octavia's as i believe they have the same engines.
The Octavias hung onto the older pre-PD engines for a bit longer than the VWs did. (These were the 90 and 110 engines, basically the same 1.9TDI but with a different head and different injection system). In my opinion there was even less to go wrong with the pre-PD engines, and so it seemed no bad thing when I bought mine (mine was a 2002 Octavia 90bhp TDI).elementad said:
I'm on the hunt for a new winter mileage snotter as my trusty reliable 22 year old jap mobile died the other week (not the cars fault!) and so i've set my mind on a MK IV VW Golf 1.9 TDI. 5 doors, not fussed on colour, not too fussed about mileage as long as its been serviced; but THERE is the problem. Being serviced.
I've spent the last couple of weeks looking for one (nationwide) that has simply had a service every year (don't care where) and i'm finding that the trend with these TDI's is that the owners (in most circumstances that I have come across) don't seem to "think" they need servicing??!!
The countless places i've rang and asked, "has it got a full service history" and i've had every wrong answer under the sun ranging from:
"Yes, i 've got the last 3 MOTs printed off from VOSA"
"They don't need servicing mate, the light will come on if it needs out"
This was the worst - from a so called trader - "What exactly does full service history mean?".
I've driven over 300 miles this past couple of weeks looking at potential buys that were advertised with FSH (and I double checked over the phone before I decided to view the car) but when arrived they had not been serviced since 2007 or 2009, and no mention of having any cambelts done and one didn't have a drop of oil on the dip stick on a stone cold engine!
I dont care whether they've been serviced at main dealer or independent but i've never looked for a car and found so much lack of interest, knowledge or care before from a group of owners.
VW are not even high up on the yearly reliability surveys with most Jap cars and manufacturers dominating the top.
I've put this down to peoples "perception" of good quality that VW marketing has us believe and i'm severely being put off spending any more time into looking for one of these as it seems that most (not all) but most have had lazy owners with no mechanical sympathy.
High mileage VW diesel engines are all well and good and should keep going strong - AS LONG AS THEY HAVE BEEN SERVICED!!!!!!
To the current fleet of new diesel VW Golf owners now with DPF engines, please PLEASE service your cars or do NOT expect to get the premium back for them that you think (dream) you will.
Rant over.
There's your solution ;-)I've spent the last couple of weeks looking for one (nationwide) that has simply had a service every year (don't care where) and i'm finding that the trend with these TDI's is that the owners (in most circumstances that I have come across) don't seem to "think" they need servicing??!!
The countless places i've rang and asked, "has it got a full service history" and i've had every wrong answer under the sun ranging from:
"Yes, i 've got the last 3 MOTs printed off from VOSA"
"They don't need servicing mate, the light will come on if it needs out"
This was the worst - from a so called trader - "What exactly does full service history mean?".
I've driven over 300 miles this past couple of weeks looking at potential buys that were advertised with FSH (and I double checked over the phone before I decided to view the car) but when arrived they had not been serviced since 2007 or 2009, and no mention of having any cambelts done and one didn't have a drop of oil on the dip stick on a stone cold engine!
I dont care whether they've been serviced at main dealer or independent but i've never looked for a car and found so much lack of interest, knowledge or care before from a group of owners.
VW are not even high up on the yearly reliability surveys with most Jap cars and manufacturers dominating the top.
I've put this down to peoples "perception" of good quality that VW marketing has us believe and i'm severely being put off spending any more time into looking for one of these as it seems that most (not all) but most have had lazy owners with no mechanical sympathy.
High mileage VW diesel engines are all well and good and should keep going strong - AS LONG AS THEY HAVE BEEN SERVICED!!!!!!
To the current fleet of new diesel VW Golf owners now with DPF engines, please PLEASE service your cars or do NOT expect to get the premium back for them that you think (dream) you will.
Rant over.
The Spruce goose said:
The problem is you are looking at the budget end of cars, people don't give s
t about servicing. Up your budgt and you will find better cars.
I'd be inclined to agree with you at first. My budget was originally up to 1k, then realising they really WERE snotters for that money I upped my budget to 2k expecting to find an old (10 year old) cared for example (or at least has had cambelt done and an oil change in the past 4 years).t about servicing. Up your budgt and you will find better cars.Thats decent money whichever way you look at it for a "snotter" and should buy (you would think) a fairly well looked after (older) car. My last snotter only cost me £300!
The problem is a lot of folk selling the ones without ANY history stick them up at same price as the ones WITH history, and despite what the adverts say, they're not all telling the truth about the history which I have found out twice.
elementad said:
Stuff....
The problem is a lot of folk selling the ones without ANY history stick them up at same price as the ones WITH history, and despite what the adverts say, they're not all telling the truth about the history which I have found out twice.
Well I'm shocked. Truly shocked. Had to have a sit down shocked. Who'd have thought it?The problem is a lot of folk selling the ones without ANY history stick them up at same price as the ones WITH history, and despite what the adverts say, they're not all telling the truth about the history which I have found out twice.
andygo said:
elementad said:
Stuff....
The problem is a lot of folk selling the ones without ANY history stick them up at same price as the ones WITH history, and despite what the adverts say, they're not all telling the truth about the history which I have found out twice.
Well I'm shocked. Truly shocked. Had to have a sit down shocked. Who'd have thought it?The problem is a lot of folk selling the ones without ANY history stick them up at same price as the ones WITH history, and despite what the adverts say, they're not all telling the truth about the history which I have found out twice.
If its about them sticking them for sale at same price as ones WITH history then why should they?
If its about them not telling the truth, well whats the point? They'll just get punters walking away when they turn up and they'll have to keep forking out for new autotrader adverts until they decide to advertise it correctly.
I think generally there are a lot of people out there who seam unable to accept that their car is well and truly at the snotter end of the spectrum and think that a rusty piece of junk is still worth £1k.
There are even cars with no MOT and TAX being advertised at £500+ due to the strange perception of scrap value.
That isn't to say there are no bargains left and no decent cars under £1k, there really are but instead of focussing on a stamped service history try and find a car owned by an enthusiast who may have stacks of for example GSF/Euro car parts receipts and has done all the recent maintenance themselves.
Also don't forget how easy it is to buy a dealer stamp and make your own service history...................
I rather see invoices than stamps!
There are even cars with no MOT and TAX being advertised at £500+ due to the strange perception of scrap value.
That isn't to say there are no bargains left and no decent cars under £1k, there really are but instead of focussing on a stamped service history try and find a car owned by an enthusiast who may have stacks of for example GSF/Euro car parts receipts and has done all the recent maintenance themselves.
Also don't forget how easy it is to buy a dealer stamp and make your own service history...................
I rather see invoices than stamps!
aka_kerrly said:
I think generally there are a lot of people out there who seam unable to accept that their car is well and truly at the snotter end of the spectrum and think that a rusty piece of junk is still worth £1k.
There are even cars with no MOT and TAX being advertised at £500+ due to the strange perception of scrap value.
That isn't to say there are no bargains left and no decent cars under £1k, there really are but instead of focussing on a stamped service history try and find a car owned by an enthusiast who may have stacks of for example GSF/Euro car parts receipts and has done all the recent maintenance themselves.
Also don't forget how easy it is to buy a dealer stamp and make your own service history...................
I rather see invoices than stamps!
Very true!There are even cars with no MOT and TAX being advertised at £500+ due to the strange perception of scrap value.
That isn't to say there are no bargains left and no decent cars under £1k, there really are but instead of focussing on a stamped service history try and find a car owned by an enthusiast who may have stacks of for example GSF/Euro car parts receipts and has done all the recent maintenance themselves.
Also don't forget how easy it is to buy a dealer stamp and make your own service history...................
I rather see invoices than stamps!
I had a MK4 TDI 150 which was completely reliable and didn't miss a beat in the 2 years (c.20k miles) I owned it.....
Although I've read horror stories about the engines I did not suffer any mechanical issues at all.
It had been serviced every 10K miles or 12 moths throughout its life (it was an 03) and I sold it on (to a friend) at 100k........it's still going, although not covering many miles as she lives mainly in Gibraltar but starts every time, and still returning 50+ mpg no matter how drive......
I get all my cars serviced to the manufacturers schedule although not always at a main dealer. Even my 1999 K11 Micra Auto gets an annual service and has a full history.....
Although I've read horror stories about the engines I did not suffer any mechanical issues at all.
It had been serviced every 10K miles or 12 moths throughout its life (it was an 03) and I sold it on (to a friend) at 100k........it's still going, although not covering many miles as she lives mainly in Gibraltar but starts every time, and still returning 50+ mpg no matter how drive......
I get all my cars serviced to the manufacturers schedule although not always at a main dealer. Even my 1999 K11 Micra Auto gets an annual service and has a full history.....
I found this too.
The worst was a Seat Altea I went to look at; called the dealer first to enquire and he told me it had FSH and had "just had" a cambelt.
It looked OK when I went to view so I asked to look at the history before a test drive.
It's last service had been 2 years ago and the "recent cambelt" was so long ago (60k miles) it was due another.
There are so many morons out there selling used cars.
The worst was a Seat Altea I went to look at; called the dealer first to enquire and he told me it had FSH and had "just had" a cambelt.
It looked OK when I went to view so I asked to look at the history before a test drive.
It's last service had been 2 years ago and the "recent cambelt" was so long ago (60k miles) it was due another.
There are so many morons out there selling used cars.
OP-Don't mess about with VAG TDis at this budget, too many average cars with dodgy history and not maintained correctly IMO.
Its a nightmare.
I would be looking at a Mondeo.
Yes diesels are known for their DMF problems but name me a diesel with a well known problem.
You could always go for the petrol, still ok mpg and cheaper to buy than the diesel.
Its a nightmare.
I would be looking at a Mondeo.
Yes diesels are known for their DMF problems but name me a diesel with a well known problem.
You could always go for the petrol, still ok mpg and cheaper to buy than the diesel.
Had an Avensis auto come in px this morning. 206k on the clock and seller admitted it was last serviced at about 100k.
Drives absolutely perfectly, ran it through an MOT this afternoon - just got the call, passed without even an advisory.
When it comes to budget snotters I increasingly wonder why anyone really bothers with the European rubbish.
Drives absolutely perfectly, ran it through an MOT this afternoon - just got the call, passed without even an advisory.
When it comes to budget snotters I increasingly wonder why anyone really bothers with the European rubbish.
GreatGranny said:
OP-Don't mess about with VAG TDis at this budget, too many average cars with dodgy history and not maintained correctly IMO.
Its a nightmare.
I would be looking at a Mondeo.
Yes diesels are known for their DMF problems but name me a diesel with a well known problem.
You could always go for the petrol, still ok mpg and cheaper to buy than the diesel.
Buy the petrol Mondeo. Don't, unless you have absolutely no interest in your sanity, buy a cheap Mondeo diesel.Its a nightmare.
I would be looking at a Mondeo.
Yes diesels are known for their DMF problems but name me a diesel with a well known problem.
You could always go for the petrol, still ok mpg and cheaper to buy than the diesel.
confused_buyer said:
Had an Avensis auto come in px this morning. 206k on the clock and seller admitted it was last serviced at about 100k.
Drives absolutely perfectly, ran it through an MOT this afternoon - just got the call, passed without even an advisory.
When it comes to budget snotters I increasingly wonder why anyone really bothers with the European rubbish.
Yeah, I always thing, whatever the Taxi boys are running in the arse end of town, especially if its ten years old, then that is a reliable, robust motor, the Avensis is a good case in point, its the only taxi where they run petrol versions as I guess they are so tough the extra fuel cost is outweighed by the fact they keep going forever.Drives absolutely perfectly, ran it through an MOT this afternoon - just got the call, passed without even an advisory.
When it comes to budget snotters I increasingly wonder why anyone really bothers with the European rubbish.
Part of the problem is that even worn smooth Golf TDI's keep their value beyond their actual worth, I sold a 1999 2.0 Petrol Bora, absolutely mint with 90k on, it went for £600 and diesel ones, with more miles were going for three times that, a grand or so buys a lot of fuel, it isnt liek the diesel ones run on fresh air and the petrol ones do 12 mpg, probably 30 plays 45, the fuel is slightly cheaper and if it breaks you throw it away, the diesel one has more capacity for problems, that old 2.0 8 valve VW engine isnt very inspiring but they are bloody tough. .
Amazing how much it costs some people to save money.
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