Insuring UK company van abroad

Insuring UK company van abroad

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anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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Hi,

I would like to get a company van through my UK Ltd co.

Problem is I mostly live in France.

If I owned the van personally then it would be ok for insurance but I have tried Stuart Collins and Herts and nobody will insure it unless I own it.

Any ideas for someone who will insure a company van to live abroad for 11months of the year?

996TT02

3,308 posts

140 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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If you are OK with third party cover only when you are abroad, then there is no need to do anything.

By EU law any car is insured on a third party basis in all countries of the EU irrespective of duration.

Re read and appreciate first sentence, any UK insurance you get Fully Comp etc is automatically downgraded to TP once your insurer's "included" period of fully-comp-while-abroad allowance has expired.

If not clear, here's how it works:

You are always insured TP anywhere.
Some insurers offer, say, "3 months travel cover" as part of the deal, this is misleading, it only means 3 months Comp, the other 9 months you are still actually covered, but only on TP basis.
Some insurers may not offer the "travel cover" at all, but you are still covered for TP risks overseas whatever the clerk may mistakenly advise you.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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Thanks, I will certainly bear this in mind. Would be a bit of a pain if it got nicked though.

daemonoid

171 posts

148 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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996TT02 said:
If you are OK with third party cover only when you are abroad, then there is no need to do anything.

By EU law any car is insured on a third party basis in all countries of the EU irrespective of duration.

Re read and appreciate first sentence, any UK insurance you get Fully Comp etc is automatically downgraded to TP once your insurer's "included" period of fully-comp-while-abroad allowance has expired.

If not clear, here's how it works:

You are always insured TP anywhere.
Some insurers offer, say, "3 months travel cover" as part of the deal, this is misleading, it only means 3 months Comp, the other 9 months you are still actually covered, but only on TP basis.
Some insurers may not offer the "travel cover" at all, but you are still covered for TP risks overseas whatever the clerk may mistakenly advise you.
Try explaining that to the gendarmes at the side of the road in broken French when their equally unproficient English picks out the simple bits "3 months travel cover". Then if you finally make headway you end up with them or their partner in the office calling up the UK insurance company who give their untrained response of "no, it says 3 months, not valid - oh and we're gonna cancel the insurance".

It sucks, but such technicalities are more hassle than they're worth.

996TT02

3,308 posts

140 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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daemonoid said:
Try explaining that to the gendarmes at the side of the road in broken French when their equally unproficient English picks out the simple bits "3 months travel cover". Then if you finally make headway you end up with them or their partner in the office calling up the UK insurance company who give their untrained response of "no, it says 3 months, not valid - oh and we're gonna cancel the insurance".

It sucks, but such technicalities are more hassle than they're worth.
Sorry but that's nonsense.

It is illegal and hence impossible for ANY insurance company in the EU to not cover you on TP basis for travel anywhere in the EU for as long as the insurance cover is valid i.e. not expired.

There is no explaining to do, and the rest of your made up scenario belongs to la la land.

"Technicalities" are the fact that using the van on TP only may be the only option available to the OP.

Roo

11,503 posts

207 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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Do you live in France or the UK?

You say you mostly live in France, but which is it as that makes a difference.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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I live in France but have a place in the uk as well. But the van will nearly always be in france.

Roo

11,503 posts

207 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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bulldong said:
I live in France but have a place in the uk as well. But the van will nearly always be in france.
Where are you resident?

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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Roo said:
bulldong said:
I live in France but have a place in the uk as well. But the van will nearly always be in france.
Where are you resident?
France

Craigyp79

589 posts

183 months

Wednesday 13th November 2013
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Why not just get French insurance?

If you live in France and the van is going to be used in France then this would probably be the most sensible option, any insurance company that will be willing to insure you fully comp for 11 months out of the UK is going to be more expensive no?

CYMR0

3,940 posts

200 months

Wednesday 13th November 2013
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The problem is that the policyholder is the limited co. and the limited co. "lives" in the UK.

The obvious thing to do though would be for the OP to lend himself the money from the company to buy the van from the company, then arrange with his company for the company to use it on business. That *might* have tax implications and/or be seen as using the van for hire or reward by the insurance company, but it would get around the "insurable interest" implications.

Roo

11,503 posts

207 months

Wednesday 13th November 2013
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If the company is UK based and the van is UK registered you'll need a decent broker to sort the issue.

If you're going to buy it in your name, as per your thread in the France forum, it should be France registered and insured as that's where you're resident.

Drop lowdrag a pm. He's helped me out in the past about cars in France queries and is very clued up on these things.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Thanks a lot all. Will look into the various options that you have suggested.