RE: Nissan GT-R MY14 and NISMO: Driven

RE: Nissan GT-R MY14 and NISMO: Driven

Friday 22nd November 2013

2014 Nissan GT-R and NISMO (R35) | Review

We've been poring over the spec all week; here's what the NISMO GT-R is like from behind the wheel



For now, the Nissan GT-R NISMO is the ultimate expression of the evergreen R35. It is more powerful and more extreme than ever, but even before driving the new model a senior Nissan executive had intimated that the GT-R NISMO will receive incremental improvements each year, just as the standard GT-R has done. Several engineers echoed that sentiment with one saying, "When we launch a car it is the best it can be, but even one second after the launch it is no longer perfect because we are learning all the time."

That spirit of constant evolution has been one of the hallmarks of the R35's six year existence and, although that process will go on, this GT-R NISMO is the leanest, fittest version of one of modern performance motoring's most lauded icons.

Compared to the standard model power is up slightly, weight is down a little and the chassis has been further tuned for circuit and fast road driving (see here for the full details).


We'll hold back from delivering a definitive verdict on the GT-R NISMO and MY14 GT-R for the time being because this was a preview exercise rather than a full launch (and we only drove the NISMO on track), but there was much to be learnt nonetheless.

A little lighter it may be, but the GT-R NISMO isn't as far removed from the standard model as a 911 GT3 RS is from a Carrera, for instance. The track and body widths are unchanged, the Recaros aren't fixed-back and there isn't a roll cage.

The differences between the NISMO and the standard model are relatively subtle, then, but there is a greater sense of purpose in the way the quicker car attacks an apex and rattles over kerbs. The NISMO does feel stiffer and more uncompromising over bumpy sections, but it never feels unduly harsh and it isn't deflected by high kerbs. We'll reserve judgement on the ride quality and compliance over bumps until we drive it on a representative stretch of road, but for now there was much to be impressed about in the way it brushed away lumps and bumps in a single, swift damper stroke without being knocked off line.


The NISMO has a thicker rear anti-roll bar than the standard car to improve agility on the entry phase to corners, say the engineers. Shifting the roll resistance rearwards moves the centre of balance away from the nose, which can be felt in the way the NISMO changes direction. Even gentle trail-braking has a huge influence on the car's cornering balance. Turn in to a corner with the brakes still applied and the rear moves around quite markedly to help keep the nose pinned to its line; it is an endlessly enjoyable sensation, one that helps the NISMO feel much lighter than it really is.

As with the standard car the steering is direct and communicative, helping the driver to hit each apex. From that point of the corner onwards there is so much traction, and the diffs work so effectively, that you can feed in the power much earlier than initially seems plausible. The front end does wash a little if you get on it too abruptly, but dial it in smoothly and the car holds its line and rockets out of the corner.

Wide, open circuits often kill the sensation of straight line speed, but the NISMO still felt staggeringly quick - although, without having driven them back-to-back, a 991 Turbo S felt even more savage under full throttle. The rest of the GT-R NISMO is as we've come to expect; the gearbox is brilliant, the engine pulls hard once spinning beyond 2,500rpm and the brakes are strong.


Nissan's engineers claim they haven't checked the car's 0-62mph time. That might a little hard to swallow, but whatever the reason for not posting an official time we can surely expect it to trim a tenth or two from the standard car's 2.7 second benchmark.

The heavy use of carbon fibre at the front end goes a long way towards that 20kg weight loss and it certainly looks mean, but one does wonder at the resultant cost of a low-speed frontal impact. The most focused version of the GT-R to date is a deeply impressive and likeable machine. No surprises there, then, and we look forward to spending more time with it.

Perhaps the most significant point about the NISMO's arrival is that it allows the MY14 GT-R to pursue a slightly different direction. The NISMO becomes the dedicated performance model, so the standard GT-R can adopt a more refined and mature persona. The GT-R hasn't gone soft, but with the suspension set to 'Comfort' mode the MY14 answers one of the few perennial criticisms of the GT-R; the stiff ride quality.


It would be unreasonable to expect a car of this performance and dynamic ability to ride much better than this. The default suspension mode is softer, too, which also helps to improve compliance over bumpy sections. There is still, of course, the 'Race' suspension setting for those who might miss that hard-edged character.

The MY14 arrives some 10 years after Nissan started working on the R35 GT-R and so it benefits from a decade's worth of data and learning. An example of this is the body, which is now eight per cent stiffer than before to provide a more rigid foundation from which the suspension can do its work.

Despite that much improved ride quality the new car does still hunt out and follow ruts and cambers, occasionally tugging quite suddenly on the steering wheel. That aside, the MY14 is a crushingly effective point-to-point car and it hasn't lost any of the precision or agility of earlier versions as it matures.


As with the NISMO model the way in which the MY14 responds to trail-braking is delicious. In fact, the speed at which the rear end adjusts its attitude by a few degrees on turn in can be alarming initially, but you very quickly learn to exploit it. What takes a little longer to master is the sheer speed that can be carried on winding roads, so vast is the lateral grip and performance on offer.

The cabin is starting to look and feel dated, but on the evidence of a brief encounter the GT-R is now more complete than ever before.


SPECIFICATION | 2014 NISSAN GT-R NISMO (R35)
Engine:
3,799cc, V6, twin-turbocharged
Transmission: 6-speed twin-clutch automatic, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 600@6,400rpm
Torque (lb ft): 481@n/a rpm
0-62mph: 2.5sec (est.)
Top speed: n/a
Weight: 1,720kg
MPG: n/a
CO2: n/a
Price: £120,000 (est.)

SPECIFICATION | 2014 NISSAN GT-R (R35)
Engine:
3,799cc, V6, twin-turbocharged
Transmission: 6-speed twin-clutch automatic, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 550hp@6,400rpm
Torque (lb ft): 463lb ft@4,500-6,000rpm
0-62mph: 2.7sec
Top speed: 196mph
Weight: 1,740kg
MPG: n/a
CO2: n/a
Price: £78,000 (est.)






Author
Discussion

Oz83

Original Poster:

688 posts

140 months

Thursday 21st November 2013
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One for the fanboys I think, especially at a £40K+ premium over what is already a staggeringly fast car.

lordturpin

200 posts

179 months

Thursday 21st November 2013
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Hasnt aged much, still looks great.

DB89

782 posts

180 months

Thursday 21st November 2013
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the_hood

771 posts

195 months

Thursday 21st November 2013
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The standard GT-R should be fast enough for most people. The Nismo doesn't offer enough to justify the premium.

Carnnoisseur

531 posts

155 months

Thursday 21st November 2013
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Dumbfounded by those stats for the Nismo.....

Missing interior shot now supplied:


Dave Hedgehog

14,584 posts

205 months

Thursday 21st November 2013
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is this the one that's just done a 7.08 ring time?

loving the red trim details

it appears it is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUW47Uio6Y_pC_0N...


toppstuff

13,698 posts

248 months

Thursday 21st November 2013
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the_hood said:
The standard GT-R should be fast enough for most people. The Nismo doesn't offer enough to justify the premium.
I am not so sure. It is the ultimate GT-R and it seems that in the flesh, it is dripping with lovely details.

For me, this is easily as desirable as a Porsche GT3. In fact, I'll say it now - I would take the Nismo GT-R over a GT3.

Axel350Z

194 posts

128 months

Thursday 21st November 2013
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I wouldn't, Gt-3 for me.

That being said, cabin dated? No, its just japanese. I think it looks spot on for what it is. A spaceship command bridge.

Iklwa

283 posts

130 months

Thursday 21st November 2013
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How can it achieve that 0 - 60 time?

It is just mind blowingly quick, something like an Enzo takes over 3 seconds to 60, surely to achieve that figure an R35 must have more than 600BHP? or is it purely the way it's been engineered (low transmission losses, massive grip).

A Veyron manages something like 2.5 seconds, with 1000 BHP at it's disposal and 4WD, so I cant work out how an equally heavy beast like this does it in only a fraction more, with nearly 400BHP less.

Axel350Z

194 posts

128 months

Thursday 21st November 2013
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Iklwa said:
How can it achieve that 0 - 60 time?

It is just mind blowingly quick, something like an Enzo takes over 3 seconds to 60, surely to achieve that figure an R35 must have more than 600BHP? or is it purely the way it's been engineered (low transmission losses, massive grip).

A Veyron manages something like 2.5 seconds, with 1000 BHP at it's disposal and 4WD, so I cant work out how an equally heavy beast like this does it in only a fraction more, with nearly 400BHP less.
Japanese engineering.

DB89

782 posts

180 months

Thursday 21st November 2013
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Well a veyron is heavier, and traction becomes the issue with more power.

Iklwa

283 posts

130 months

Thursday 21st November 2013
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Well unless the Japanese have developed a way of defying the laws of nature, it must be something else.

So you recon it is the perfect power to weight ratio, whereas a Veyron for example is too powerful for the weight, and therefore breaks traction? Makes sense, does seem to be a very well balanced machine.

toppstuff

13,698 posts

248 months

Thursday 21st November 2013
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Axel350Z said:
Iklwa said:
How can it achieve that 0 - 60 time?

It is just mind blowingly quick, something like an Enzo takes over 3 seconds to 60, surely to achieve that figure an R35 must have more than 600BHP? or is it purely the way it's been engineered (low transmission losses, massive grip).

A Veyron manages something like 2.5 seconds, with 1000 BHP at it's disposal and 4WD, so I cant work out how an equally heavy beast like this does it in only a fraction more, with nearly 400BHP less.
Japanese engineering.
Specifically, lots and lots of mechanical grip. 4WD and a wheel in each corner. A bunch of shortly stacked gears and a double clutch box. Good tyres. Little slack, anywhere.

I think one of the Veyron's problems is that it is engineered to pull speeds of well over 200 mph, with the result that it probably compromises performance lower down. The GT-R is optimised to pull like crazy low down.

I have never driven a car that exits corners under power as well as a GT-R. Grip + Grunt + perfectly judged gear ratios + sticky rubber + torque vectoring = amazing ability to put the power down.

Somehow these cars are more than the sum of their parts when it comes to performance. It's a beautifully engineered piece of kit. Seriously underestimated by people who don't "get" the whole Nissan vibe and look down on them. They really miss out.

I see that the GT-R is the weapon of choice for quite a few professional sportscar and sports GT drivers. Litchfield look after the GT-R's of quite a few professional race drivers.

DB89

782 posts

180 months

Thursday 21st November 2013
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Iklwa said:
Well unless the Japanese have developed a way of defying the laws of nature, it must be something else.

So you recon it is the perfect power to weight ratio, whereas a Veyron for example is too powerful for the weight, and therefore breaks traction? Makes sense, does seem to be a very well balanced machine.
The Supersport does the same 2.5 sec to 62mph and only GTRs set up for drag are as quick as that. Even with 1000hp plus.

http://youtu.be/NrgPiJtpdG0


Edited by DB89 on Thursday 21st November 17:53

Jakdaw

291 posts

211 months

Thursday 21st November 2013
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article said:
The heavy use of carbon fibre at the front end goes a long way towards that 20kg weight loss and it certainly looks mean, but one does wonder at the resultant cost of a low-speed frontal impact.
Similar all this talk of making it stiffer with new "bonds" sounds like something that would drive repair costs through the roof...

NomduJour

19,156 posts

260 months

Thursday 21st November 2013
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toppstuff said:
torque vectoring
As per the other thread - no side-to-side torque vectoring, only the centre diff is active.

toppstuff

13,698 posts

248 months

Thursday 21st November 2013
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NomduJour said:
As per the other thread - no side-to-side torque vectoring, only the centre diff is active.
nerd

smile

matsoc

853 posts

133 months

Thursday 21st November 2013
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The 0-60 is impressing more than ever but the GT-R is much more than that. Anyway the Veyron is impressive but it is car that was built around too many tight constraints, it wasn't built for maximum acceleration, etc. A 16 cylinders engine is totally nonsense, it weighs almost 500kg a so heavy machine can't avoid inertial issues, it may be well good for 1200 hp but just power is all you need for maximum speed or high speed acceleration. For standstill and low speed acceleration it is relevant how responsive the engine is, in other terms how much time do you need to raise the rpm and power after altering throttle position...

NomduJour

19,156 posts

260 months

Thursday 21st November 2013
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toppstuff said:
nerd

smile
They currently use it in the Juke NISMO (and previously in V-Spec R33s and R34s - ATTESA-ETS Pro), not sure if there's a reason why not here.

AreOut

3,658 posts

162 months

Thursday 21st November 2013
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AWD, good tires and DCT

2.5 seconds is probably minimum for any power(with that weight), it could have 6000 hp and still do that time