RE: Chris Harris video: 911 Turbo vs McLaren 12C
Discussion
J4CKO said:
He gets to wang about in supercars and get paid for it, I think I could grin and bear the occasional bit of criticism with resorting to hunting based lady garden references, I only call people 
s in the Lounge where it is more or less expected 
I know you need a thick skin having a presence in the 'net, however, I would draw the line at character assassination. I could forgive it in the youtube comment section, but we don't want PH to descend to that level, do we?s in the Lounge where it is more or less expected APOLO1 earlier...
Interesting to note that the 12C is not as 'clinical' as the Turbo S in terms of the launch times!
And, it is also interesting that when the 12C was launched, people thought it was too understated for the money compared to the 458, whilst in this comparison it seems to work the other way round! Hmm.
And, it is also interesting that when the 12C was launched, people thought it was too understated for the money compared to the 458, whilst in this comparison it seems to work the other way round! Hmm.
Andy ap said:
I really don't understand the fascination with porsches. I really don't. You'd have to pay me to have the Porsche but id pay to have the Mclaren.
I knew this thread would be full of b
ks. Anyway 12 c for me and I would kill for a 991 turbo.
I don't get people saying the 12 c is dull it's a fabulous looking machine.
DT398 said:
0a said:
So is the general verdict seems to be that the 911 turbo has lost its niche: it used to be a way of getting supercar performance on the cheap, now it's just a 911 priced like a supercar... ?
That's probably a bit harsh. It's at least £50k cheaper than the McLaren, and will give most supercars (including the 12c) a run for their money in pretty much every real-world situation. Less than 3 seconds to 60 mph is up there with the best of them. Running costs are also way less than the vast majority of supercars too. Edited by DT398 on Friday 29th November 22:19
DanielSan said:
SlipStream77 said:
I see the 911 as a comfortable four seater GT and the MP4 as a supercar, which IMO makes the Porsche that much more impressive.
It does have 4 seats but if you can fit in the back in comfort you've less than no hope.
At my stage of life the maclaren is a pipedream stuck in the configurator at £240k+, where as the 991 turbo S could be a secondhand possibility
(after its lost its first year's deprecation!)Given the 991 Turbo S bulletproof testing regime and ability to take racetracks in it stride (or at least bruntingthorpe proving ground), I would be tempted to occasionally track it. I feel that my maclaren pipedream would be a highly polished garage queen, with the occasional AtoA trip and no consideration to the Ring.
J4CKO said:
lauda said:
This thread just keeps on giving! Just seen Harris's Twitter feed where he appears to refer to APOLO1 as a 'Berkshire hunt'....
Perhaps a bit unnecessary in relation to a discussion about cars.Bloke being a bit big headed, likes to tell people he keeps a 911 in two countries and knows everything and on this thread makes the claim that he knows catagorically that LC wasn't used on the Porsche. He is subsequently proven wrong.
It doesn't seem enough to warrant a public outburst.
However, it was more subtle than that. The bloke has actually accused CH of deliberately nobbling the test to help get his a drive next season. Hence the 'wait till Jan' remark and this post earlier:
APOLO1 said:
CH, new low mate. 110k diff in price on cars tested......no sport plus or LC on the Porsche....Hope you get the 12C GT3 Drive
I think it was this insinuation that inspired the response. Effectively being accused of taking a bung. I'm sure that the 991 Turbo S will lose money over the first year but the question is how much? On here, everyone (including me) was talking about stratospheric drops in value but talking to a few OPCs, apart from the initial batch of cars (maybe 25, 30 cars? who knows?), it does seem like there is a genuine strategy by Porsche to restrict the supply and we are not going to see the situation we saw this time last year where they were over stocked with cars and chucking them at customers with big discounts. I got a build slot for February with March/April delivery and beyond that it seems the OPCs don't have much of an allocation. Hard to believe that Porsche will open the flood gates next year and start knocking them out without buyers lined up.
It's a funny market after all, paying £150k for a car. How much will you pay after a year? £130k? £120k? Not sure but that's a lot of money for a second hand car that's been specced by somebody else. I really think a lot of people will buy new and hang on to them so there won't be much of a used market in 12 months time. Considering the price point, Porsche are not going to churn them out for stock like they did with the Carreras so volumes will be relatively low. There'll be a few around in 12 months but they will be £100k+ and you will be compromising on spec. I know that's a first world problem but still.....
Last thing to say, of course, is that I could be completely wrong!
It's a funny market after all, paying £150k for a car. How much will you pay after a year? £130k? £120k? Not sure but that's a lot of money for a second hand car that's been specced by somebody else. I really think a lot of people will buy new and hang on to them so there won't be much of a used market in 12 months time. Considering the price point, Porsche are not going to churn them out for stock like they did with the Carreras so volumes will be relatively low. There'll be a few around in 12 months but they will be £100k+ and you will be compromising on spec. I know that's a first world problem but still.....
Last thing to say, of course, is that I could be completely wrong!
DT398 said:
I'm sure that the 991 Turbo S will lose money over the first year but the question is how much? On here, everyone (including me) was talking about stratospheric drops in value but talking to a few OPCs, apart from the initial batch of cars (maybe 25, 30 cars? who knows?), it does seem like there is a genuine strategy by Porsche to restrict the supply and we are not going to see the situation we saw this time last year where they were over stocked with cars and chucking them at customers with big discounts. I got a build slot for February with March/April delivery and beyond that it seems the OPCs don't have much of an allocation. Hard to believe that Porsche will open the flood gates next year and start knocking them out without buyers lined up.
It's a funny market after all, paying £150k for a car. How much will you pay after a year? £130k? £120k? Not sure but that's a lot of money for a second hand car that's been specced by somebody else. I really think a lot of people will buy new and hang on to them so there won't be much of a used market in 12 months time. Considering the price point, Porsche are not going to churn them out for stock like they did with the Carreras so volumes will be relatively low. There'll be a few around in 12 months but they will be £100k+ and you will be compromising on spec. I know that's a first world problem but still.....
Last thing to say, of course, is that I could be completely wrong!
As suspect as per the 997.2 turbo/s they will be around 350 produced for each model. Controlled supply rather than restricted maybe?It's a funny market after all, paying £150k for a car. How much will you pay after a year? £130k? £120k? Not sure but that's a lot of money for a second hand car that's been specced by somebody else. I really think a lot of people will buy new and hang on to them so there won't be much of a used market in 12 months time. Considering the price point, Porsche are not going to churn them out for stock like they did with the Carreras so volumes will be relatively low. There'll be a few around in 12 months but they will be £100k+ and you will be compromising on spec. I know that's a first world problem but still.....
Last thing to say, of course, is that I could be completely wrong!
They is also the year old demo cars etc, than seem to be available throughout the year at opc/indys once the initial rush has died down. As per the maclaren, the second 991 turbo will lose a significant amount of money once its 12-18 months old and has 10+k on the clock.
e.g. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2013...
and
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2013...
tjlees said:
As suspect as per the 997.2 turbo/s they will be around 350 produced for each model. Controlled supply rather than restricted maybe?
They is also the year old demo cars etc, than seem to be available throughout the year at opc/indys once the initial rush has died down. As per the maclaren, the second 991 turbo will lose a significant amount of money once its 12-18 months old and has 10+k on the clock.
Guess so. The 997 Turbo S coupe was about £120k new as I remember. 2010 cars are now around £80-85k from an OPC. Could be worse. The newer 991 cars are going to hold a big premium above those 997s for a while at least.They is also the year old demo cars etc, than seem to be available throughout the year at opc/indys once the initial rush has died down. As per the maclaren, the second 991 turbo will lose a significant amount of money once its 12-18 months old and has 10+k on the clock.
DT398 said:
Guess so. The 997 Turbo S coupe was about £120k new as I remember. 2010 cars are now around £80-85k from an OPC. Could be worse. The newer 991 cars are going to hold a big premium above those 997s for a while at least.
I'd much rather wait for a 991 Turbo S than pull the trigger on a 997 Turbo S - the quantum leap on the 991.Chris you I like how you dealt with Appolo1 - There are times I wonder how you stay so calm when punters analyse every part of what you do. The funniest thing is that Appolo1 is doing this behind the anonymity of the net.
Yet when you call a spade a spade and asked him to come up with the goods..
I was pissing myself laughing
Let us know how much you are getting paid by these car manufacturers as it doesn't seem enough when you are dealing with guys like Appolo1.
As for the MC12 vs 911 I liked it.
Yet when you call a spade a spade and asked him to come up with the goods..
I was pissing myself laughing
Let us know how much you are getting paid by these car manufacturers as it doesn't seem enough when you are dealing with guys like Appolo1.
As for the MC12 vs 911 I liked it.
Urban Sports said:
0a said:
F-type R for me please. All these cars perform well above what I need on the road, so i'd want the one looking like the car below. The McLaren is a little drab, and the 911 both drab and ugly in this variation.
I would keep the change and buy a massive fleet of old merc W124s!
I'd rather have the F Type aswell, good shout.I would keep the change and buy a massive fleet of old merc W124s!
The other two are amazing cars but the F pips it for me as an overall package.
GALLARDOGUY said:
jacksparrow11 said:
around the saschenring , the 991 turbo s (on standard production road tyres) , was faster than both the mclaren spyder and coupe both with 625bhp (on slicks) , evo also run a test where the gt3 991 was faster than the mclaren , and Porsche claims the turbo s is faster than the gt3 on a track. On a twisty road the turbo s would disappear from the 12c , same with the f12 and aventador , the only performance advantage these cars have over the 911 is in a 1 mile drag race and unless you go to organised drag races , you're never gonna see the performance advantage over the 911 turbo.Sure they all sound better and are head turners , but its that attention and drama that makes people buy the 911 turbo in my opinion.
I simply don't believe the the road tyre/slick type statement you made.It's not possible.
New account eh APOLO1?
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