RE: Chris Harris video: 911 Turbo vs McLaren 12C

[tjlees]

k-ink said:

It really is not decimation. It is a mere fraction of a second. That margin of advantage slips away a few seconds later anyway.

My whole point, which has been completely missed, is why argue about such tiny differences? If split seconds are so damn important buy a much faster car in the budget. £200k buys a lot of options. If other things are more important, such as badge, looks, massaging seats or golf club storage buy whatever floats your boat.

You absolutely right even 0-120 is irrelevant, however it is decimation - the removal of a tenth - the Mclaren is 14% slower http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimation_(Roman_arm...

At 145k the turbo s is already optioned up - and my point is the differences are small, apart from the price, weight and power. I would have the Mclaren in a heartbeat, but it is a pipe dream on the configurator

[DT398]

k-ink said:

This whole thread is pointless. So what difference does throwing a GTR in the mix make? My point is there is no thrashing going on here. Just splitting hairs between two cars with very similar performance. Lots of toys being thrown about for no real differences. If you want to see a proper thrashing you will need to compare it to much faster cars, such as modded GTRs or even unmodified Ultima 720 if you wish. Getting your panties in a twist over hardly any differences is daft.

Besides if your budget is £200k that buys a lot of tuning for an Ultima or GTR.

Edited by k-ink on Sunday 1st December 11:48

If you have £200k to spend with a view to winning the traffic light grand pix, a Top Fuel dragster would get my money. Standing quarter in around 5 seconds, so you might as well leave your GTR at home, modified or not.

I agree with you that this thread us daft and most of it hasn't been about cars at all. If you say " I love this car for the noise, feel, handling and fun" (or any number of other subjective things), thats probably the yardstick for the majority too. Seems like attention seeking to bang on about a set of numbers to try and demonstrate your car is the best. "Look at ME and how much I can afford to spend on cars and look how clever I am to buy the best and fastest and even if there's data to prove it's not the fastest ( by a very defined definition), you,re wrong and I'M right and the test wasn't fair". It's not about the cars.

Edited by DT398 on Sunday 1st December 13:01

[k-ink]

Would anyone else consider a Noble M600 at this price level? I certainly would. They are supposedly as pure to drive as an F40, but with everything vastly improved. If I had to chose one car to do everything this would be high on my list...




If I had the option of two cars I'd opt for a Nismo GTR, probably sensibly tweaked to 750, as the daily hack. Plus an Ultima GTR720 for driving to the track at the weekend.

[toppstuff]

k-ink said:

Would anyone else consider a Noble M600 at this price level? I certainly would. They are supposedly as pure to drive as an F40, but with everything vastly improved. If I had to chose one car to do everything this would be high on my list...




If I had the option of two cars I'd opt for a Nismo GTR, probably sensibly tweaked to 750, as the daily hack. Plus an Ultima GTR720 for driving to the track at the weekend.

I like your style. I think a Noble M600 and a Nismo GTR is probably my ultimate pairing. Old school meets modern in a traditional manual car , vs Granturismo tech fest and Japanese cool.

That, and a new model Range Rover, and I would be done in terms of modern cars.

[0836whimper]

Just watched Harris in the Lichfield GT-R again because of this thread. Hard not to giggle as he goes all quiet. Great to watch.

[k-ink]

Range Rover? Pah. If we are talking three cars the winter duties would be covered by a Group B weapon. Perhaps an RS200

[tjlees]

k-ink said:

Would anyone else consider a Noble M600 at this price level? I certainly would. They are supposedly as pure to drive as an F40, but with everything vastly improved. If I had to chose one car to do everything this would be high on my list...




If I had the option of two cars I'd opt for a Nismo GTR, probably sensibly tweaked to 750, as the daily hack. Plus an Ultima GTR720 for driving to the track at the weekend.

+2 both British and both designed by lee noble

The m600 and GTR 720 that is

[Digger]

0836whimper said:

Just watched Harris in the Lichfield GT-R again because of this thread. Hard not to giggle as he goes all quiet. Great to watch.

I don't recall that. I don't suppose you could find the link for us? Ta.

[tjlees]

tjlees said:

The Litchfield's GTR lost against the Audi R8 last time ....

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

... Keep up at the back

[Digger]

Sorrrrryy

http://youtu.be/jsudmRyxLjc

11:50

[DonkeyApple]

k-ink said:

Would anyone else consider a Noble M600 at this price level? I certainly would. They are supposedly as pure to drive as an F40, but with everything vastly improved. If I had to chose one car to do everything this would be high on my list...




If I had the option of two cars I'd opt for a Nismo GTR, probably sensibly tweaked to 750, as the daily hack. Plus an Ultima GTR720 for driving to the track at the weekend.

Is prefer the Noble over either. But it is at a price level that is of no interest sadly.

[k-ink]

tjlees said:

+2 both British and both designed by lee noble

The m600 and GTR 720 that is

Not sure I could ever justify an M600 and a GTR720. For a sensible daily solution the M600 every time. But if I did have 200k spare for a toy I would be VERY tempted to commission a very special Ultima. Perhaps along the lines of Ronin's twin charged Exige on steroids. ie, supercharged and turbocharged V8 Ultima for linear power delivery. I guess it would be north of 1000+ ponies by then. Matt black exterior, black suede and caged inside please. Plus properly sorted by a race prep company to get it to work perfectly

Maybe a Bowler Wildcat for the school run too.

/dreaming...

Edited by k-ink on Sunday 1st December 16:53

[Pesty]

k-ink said:

Would anyone else consider a Noble M600 at this price level? I certainly would. They are supposedly as pure to drive as an F40, but with everything vastly improved. If I had to chose one car to do everything this would be high on my list...




If I had the option of two cars I'd opt for a Nismo GTR, probably sensibly tweaked to 750, as the daily hack. Plus an Ultima GTR720 for driving to the track at the weekend.

I would definitely, having been in one I was blown away by its ability.

[pvj]

I drove the 991 Turbo at Millbrook today at the invitation of Porsche Solihull. And I'm in two minds. Lets put the cost of it aside, because there are no funds for such an upgrade from my 2012 991 Carrera S right now.

It is incredible. A proper weapons grade ballistic missile of a car. On the one hand, its as civilised and as comfortable as mine. On the other hand it is savage. Rearranging of internal organs savage. After three full bore launch control starts from 0-170+ I felt like i'd been in a fight. Its better at low speed too. The rear wheel steer gives it the turning circle of a london taxi.

But then, there is something wonderful about my manual Carrera S, and most of the time I wouldn't get close to using the extra 100+ BHP. I think if I was looking at upgrading, and could only have one car, I'd definitely choose it over a Mclaren / 458 that would be just too fragile and inconvenient for daily use. I'm more in love with my own car than ever though. Which normally means it'll be for sale by next week......

[Mermaid]

... If you lived in Germany, would you prefer the Turbo to the 991 C2S as a daily driver?

[IMI A]

Chris Harris said:

APOLO1 said:

There is a back story to this Vid....Wait till Jan....

Love to know what the back story is! I think I was there for the days this was shot.

And the Porsche used launch control on every launch. Which means to get all the angles it did 15 consecutive launches without any trouble whatsoever. Imagine how strong the powertrain is to do that? Mighty impressive. The 12C would do 2 launches and then needed to have a clutch re-think before running again. McLaren were there with the car. Porsche weren't.

No idea what your beef is with the veracity of the drag race. It's there in the pictures. Obviously we have to patch various shots of different runs to make the narrative flow properly, but otherwise it's just two cars, launch control, and go. You can't fake that, don't quite understand why I'd ever want to.

I really, really like the 991 Turbo S - far more than the old 997. Have said so all along, wrote it here a month back and said so in the video.

Although after a decade of being accused of being paid by Porsche, I have to say your rabid and of course wholly offensive assertion that I'm somehow now in McLaren's pocket actually makes quite a refreshing change.

Have a good weekend. Enjoy your rather excellent car.

Whats the back story to this vid APOLO 1?