RE: Singer Vehicle Design: PH Meets

RE: Singer Vehicle Design: PH Meets

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GregorFuk

563 posts

201 months

Thursday 5th December 2013
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I too question the 30K loom. 30K to develop? Perhaps. 30K in parts, materials, and labor today? Someone's on a heck of a day rate.

bobberz

1,832 posts

200 months

Thursday 5th December 2013
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Reminds me of a buddy of mine who built his interpretation of a 911 RSR, complete with a 993 drivetrain. The detailing he put into this car is amazing. One of those cars you have to see in-person to truly appreciate how much work has gone into it.









In addition, he built this Lister Jaguar to match. No, it is NOT a kit-car, it was scratch-built by him with a one-off carbon-fiber body he hand-laid himself- the guy is massively talented! He wanted to modernise it a bit by putting wider wheels on it, so he made the body considerably wider and made numerous other modifications to the original design so the proportions would look "right". Then, he built one of the ultimate LS7s I've ever seen to go in it. It features Mahle pistons, sodium-filled, titanium valves, and a cam from a Corvette GTR race car. It makes 632 horsepower (naturally aspirated; compare to 500 bhp in a stock Z06) and 550 lb.-ft. in a car that weighs only 1900 pounds!

I believe the 0-60 time for it is somewhere in the two second range, but I imagine it must be a handful!
It's funny how many times I'm at a car show with him and somebody says to their son/girlfriend/wife, "look at that Cobra", or asks him what kit it is! hehe










timmeh2k

80 posts

153 months

Thursday 5th December 2013
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As a porsche, modified and classic car lover these are THE most desirable cars made.

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keiran

39 posts

195 months

Thursday 5th December 2013
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Love these...

if someone tried to do this with Ferrari's instead - they would probably wouldn't have gotten very far, maybe have been shut down by now, or trapped in some legal issue...


sisu

2,585 posts

174 months

Thursday 5th December 2013
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Yeah the 'touches' that Magnus had to his 911, the louvres which was done back in the early 90's in the custom scene to mimic the hotrod habits to add cooling. However it makes your aircooled engine overheat as the pressurised engine bay now has a vent that sucks the air out as you drive. The faster you drive the harder the engine has to work to suck the air into the engine bay.
It was done in the californian custom scene in the 80's-90's to show cars, much like chroming/plating. Which is OK on a car you trailer there or just to Cars & Coffee.


The Singer 911 has alot more tangible and better though out customisations. Although the fuel tank filler isn't one of them.

Dagnut

3,515 posts

194 months

Thursday 5th December 2013
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renaultgeek said:
if I had half a million, I'd do it myself.
You probably could do it but how much time would it take you? and more importantly, when you go to sell your home brew 1970's Porsche how much would it be worth in the market place? Put a singer badge on it and it's still worth near enough it's original value.

Slippydiff

14,851 posts

224 months

Thursday 5th December 2013
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Dagnut said:
renaultgeek said:
if I had half a million, I'd do it myself.
You probably could do it but how much time would it take you? and more importantly, when you go to sell your home brew 1970's Porsche how much would it be worth in the market place? Put a singer badge on it and it's still worth near enough it's original value.
With the massive pool of talent we have in the UK, it would/should be possible to produce something as good as, if not better than the Singer. They've clearly put a lot of time and effort into the styling of the front wings, rear quarter panels, sills, bumpers etc. And that effort has paid off handsomely, as the end result is superbly finished and proportioned (to my mind)
Producing the tooling to make really good quality carbon fibre bodywork parts wouldn't have been cheap, so I can see where the expense comes from. Still struggling with the loom cost though.

Lots of people on Rennlist are under the impression that Singer are going to start making the various parts available to the general public. I for one, hope they don't, as nothing would impact on the values of the cars more than a whole host of badly built reps. I suspect it wouldn't do the company's credibility a lot of good in the long run either.


Edited by Slippydiff on Thursday 5th December 22:40

GregorFuk

563 posts

201 months

Thursday 5th December 2013
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Dagnut said:
Put a singer badge on it and it's still worth near enough it's original value.
That remains to be seen.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

197 months

Thursday 5th December 2013
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Slippydiff said:
Dagnut said:
renaultgeek said:
if I had half a million, I'd do it myself.
You probably could do it but how much time would it take you? and more importantly, when you go to sell your home brew 1970's Porsche how much would it be worth in the market place? Put a singer badge on it and it's still worth near enough it's original value.
With the massive pool of talent we have in the UK, it would/should be possible to produce something as good as, if not better than the Singer. They've clearly put a lot of time and effort into the styling of the front wings, rear quarter panels, sills, bumpers etc. And that effort has paid off handsomely, as the end result is superbly finished and proportioned (to my mind)
Producing the tooling to make really good quality carbon fibre bodywork parts wouldn't have been cheap, so I can see where the expense comes from. Still struggling with the loom cost though.

[b]Lots of people on Rennlist are under the impression that Singer are going to start making the various parts available to the general public. I for one, hope they don't, as nothing would impact on the values of the cars more than a whole host of badly built reps. I suspect it wouldn't do the company's credibility a lot of good in the long run either.
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Edited by Slippydiff on Thursday 5th December 22:40
That's the craic isn't it? Can't see the parts being cheap though! They do mention it as an intrinsic part of their plan on the Harris video too

Dagnut

3,515 posts

194 months

Friday 6th December 2013
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Slippydiff said:
With the massive pool of talent we have in the UK, it would/should be possible to produce something as good as, if not better than the Singer. They've clearly put a lot of time and effort into the styling of the front wings, rear quarter panels, sills, bumpers etc. And that effort has paid off handsomely, as the end result is superbly finished and proportioned (to my mind)
Producing the tooling to make really good quality carbon fibre bodywork parts wouldn't have been cheap, so I can see where the expense comes from. Still struggling with the loom cost though.

Lots of people on Rennlist are under the impression that Singer are going to start making the various parts available to the general public. I for one, hope they don't, as nothing would impact on the values of the cars more than a whole host of badly built reps. I suspect it wouldn't do the company's credibility a lot of good in the long run either.


Edited by Slippydiff on Thursday 5th December 22:40
Of course it's possible..it's possible to start your own supercar company and within 20 years to be prodcuing some of the finest cars we've ever seen..i.e Pagani.
His point was about doing it yourself.

Dagnut

3,515 posts

194 months

Friday 6th December 2013
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GregorFuk said:
That remains to be seen.
They are increasing production..what does that tell you?

k-ink

9,070 posts

180 months

Friday 6th December 2013
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GregorFuk said:
I too question the 30K loom. 30K to develop? Perhaps. 30K in parts, materials, and labor today? Someone's on a heck of a day rate.
I seem to recall a formula one style loom costs around £1m, if you believe that? I can only imagine they are using solid gold conductors for all the cables and connectors. Plus a crazy amount of design and custom fabrication time. Completely OTT of course. But then again, imagine losing the last race of a season and maybe the world championship title, due to one lose soldered wire. I wouldn't be surprised if these crazy lengths are almost standard practice in military aviation applications.

The Singer loom is obviously a budget version.

Gull Slayer

29 posts

154 months

Sunday 8th December 2013
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Just read this and WOW! £500,000! Last I read it was £250,00 and was saving hard for the next.....years but 500,000 I blown out just can't do it. Back to the Trebant.

Beefmeister

16,482 posts

231 months

Monday 9th December 2013
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k-ink said:
GregorFuk said:
I too question the 30K loom. 30K to develop? Perhaps. 30K in parts, materials, and labor today? Someone's on a heck of a day rate.
I seem to recall a formula one style loom costs around £1m, if you believe that? I can only imagine they are using solid gold conductors for all the cables and connectors. Plus a crazy amount of design and custom fabrication time. Completely OTT of course. But then again, imagine losing the last race of a season and maybe the world championship title, due to one lose soldered wire. I wouldn't be surprised if these crazy lengths are almost standard practice in military aviation applications.

The Singer loom is obviously a budget version.
Yep. Go to a top end loom manufacturer and say I'd like a one-off loom made for my classic 911 to these exact specifications please, in your absolute top quality, i'm sure £30k will be standard.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

197 months

Monday 9th December 2013
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Gull Slayer said:
Just read this and WOW! £500,000! Last I read it was £250,00 and was saving hard for the next.....years but 500,000 I blown out just can't do it. Back to the Trebant.
$500,000 not £!

still a heck of a money admittedly but it's all dependant on spec remember, they also state in the videos that they start at around $350,000.

makes you think really, when you consider what porsche were selling 993s for in the 90's just what a bargain a really mint second hand 993 is.

why did i sell my individual build one again confused

The sled

133 posts

141 months

Saturday 21st December 2013
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What an amazing piece of kit. It truly is amazing. Its certainly expensive but if you have a taste for something that is better than brand new, built with precision, passion and love then look no further.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

197 months

Wednesday 1st January 2014
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More porn, jay leno drives the singer

http://youtu.be/PemPidqObJ4

ajprice

27,530 posts

197 months

Wednesday 1st January 2014
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
More porn, jay leno drives the singer

http://youtu.be/PemPidqObJ4
That is the only time I want to see the words Jay Leno and porn in the same sentence hehe