RE: No more tax discs!
Discussion
gareth_r said:
ounds like a business opportunity to me. You need to develop a phone app to check the DVLA vehicle enquiry from a photograph of a registration plate, perhaps with the option of printing a strongly-worded note in green ink. You could market it through the Daily Mail and The Oldie, and perhaps with a mailshot to all those speed monitoring groups.
Joking aside, in case I am intended as the butt of the joke, point is that if people don't pay their tax, those of us that do end up paying more, so why should we just ignore a car that is sat there with no tax? We really shouldn't. Also, if it has no tax, it is more likely to have no insurance and quite possibly no MOT, quite possibly not even a qualified driver. Ignore one rule, more likely to ignore the others is the basis for that assumption. So if such a scrote hits your pride and joy and you end up paying for it through lost no claims bonus for the next 5 years, perhaps you'd prefer to have reported such scrotes to the police to get the illegal car off the road? One less car on the road is a quicker and possibly more fun journey for someone else too.I'm not being a killjoy, this has nothing to do with being old or reading s
t newspapers or speed, it is to do with cars being legally on the road, scrotes like that kill my joy because I end up paying a stupid amount in tax to subsidise idiots that don't. Is that strange in some way or is there some other merit to turning a blind eye?ukaskew said:
Such an old fashioned system, glad to see it going.
It was only a few years ago when, having had to buy tax at an actual PO instead of online, they refused me as my insurance cert was printed at home. The logic of that baffles me to this day.
I had that problem too, apparently the excuse of using an ONLINE ONLY insurer who doesn't send a copy through the post wasn't good enough to wash with the post office lackies, total tools.It was only a few years ago when, having had to buy tax at an actual PO instead of online, they refused me as my insurance cert was printed at home. The logic of that baffles me to this day.
Axionknight said:
I had that problem too, apparently the excuse of using an ONLINE ONLY insurer who doesn't send a copy through the post wasn't good enough to wash with the post office lackies, total tools.
You can do it on the phone and they check the insurance for you, no need to produce anything.Someone touched on this before but I think this will result in a scenario where "you" are "taxed" rather than your car
so when you sell your car, with say 5 months tax outstanding, you will not be able to get a refund or you will get only a partial refund and the new keeper will need to tax it immediately. Eg, the tax will not go with the car
so when you sell your car, with say 5 months tax outstanding, you will not be able to get a refund or you will get only a partial refund and the new keeper will need to tax it immediately. Eg, the tax will not go with the car
sometimes being old fashioned about things makes a lot of sense.
I won't have one of these credit cards where you just tap it on the reader for example, a totally stupid idea only craved by people whose time is apparently so valuable that they can't spend 5 seconds typing 4 numbers in, meaning that the cost of banking goes up for everyone else as the technology is brought in and the cost of the banks giving money back to their customers when some toe-rag steals or finds such a card and can go round spending sums of less than £10 until the card is noticed as missing.
Seriously people, what is that about?
I won't have one of these credit cards where you just tap it on the reader for example, a totally stupid idea only craved by people whose time is apparently so valuable that they can't spend 5 seconds typing 4 numbers in, meaning that the cost of banking goes up for everyone else as the technology is brought in and the cost of the banks giving money back to their customers when some toe-rag steals or finds such a card and can go round spending sums of less than £10 until the card is noticed as missing.
Seriously people, what is that about?
i like the idea of not having the tax disc in one way, in this day and age it seems stupid to have to display one. direct debit is also a good option, but surely for the dvla they do not need to increase the price e.g. electric companies give you discount for direct debit. they get the money quicker rather than having to wait for a lump sum or two.
zebedee said:
sometimes being old fashioned about things makes a lot of sense.
I won't have one of these credit cards where you just tap it on the reader for example, a totally stupid idea only craved by people whose time is apparently so valuable that they can't spend 5 seconds typing 4 numbers in, meaning that the cost of banking goes up for everyone else as the technology is brought in and the cost of the banks giving money back to their customers when some toe-rag steals or finds such a card and can go round spending sums of less than £10 until the card is noticed as missing.
Seriously people, what is that about?
Speeding up small transactions at places like McDonalds, M&S food, the pub, etc etc. It also puts less wear and tear on the card-reading machines (how many times have you been stuck in a queue while you were waiting for a dodgy chip+pin machine?)I won't have one of these credit cards where you just tap it on the reader for example, a totally stupid idea only craved by people whose time is apparently so valuable that they can't spend 5 seconds typing 4 numbers in, meaning that the cost of banking goes up for everyone else as the technology is brought in and the cost of the banks giving money back to their customers when some toe-rag steals or finds such a card and can go round spending sums of less than £10 until the card is noticed as missing.
Seriously people, what is that about?
Shall we just resort to paying by cheque for everything instead? That's much cheaper for the banks than all this expensive telephony and hardware being sent out.
Krikkit said:
Speeding up small transactions at places like McDonalds, M&S food, the pub, etc etc. It also puts less wear and tear on the card-reading machines (how many times have you been stuck in a queue while you were waiting for a dodgy chip+pin machine?)
Shall we just resort to paying by cheque for everything instead? That's much cheaper for the banks than all this expensive telephony and hardware being sent out.
Why speed them up? I'd rather it took a bit longer and be safe and I have no problem waiting in that case, but then I don't pretend my life is so important that I can't be at a point of sale for more than 10 seconds so I can get back to facebook and post a picture of the rad sandwich that I just bought. I wouldn't mind as long as you are happy that if someone gets your card it is down to your own stupidity for losing it or allowing it to be stolen and that you accept that some scrote who takes it should also be able to go to mcdonalds, M&S and the pub on the way home, clocking up transactions without anything in place to stop him and that you will foot the bill for that spree, the same as if he had taken £20 from your wallet as another totally unprotected way of spending money. But I suspect you won't be happy with that and you will want the bank to give you the money back. But it isn't the bank giving the money back, it is customers like me who lose out on interest rates and suffer higher charges all to pay for Mr Modern and his impatient, selfish and inconsiderate lifestyle.Shall we just resort to paying by cheque for everything instead? That's much cheaper for the banks than all this expensive telephony and hardware being sent out.
Grrrrr.
There's no such thing as "road tax":
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23694438
Can't believe we've got to page 10 and no-one's pointed that out yet.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23694438
Can't believe we've got to page 10 and no-one's pointed that out yet.
What's stopping me from SORNing my Caterham, and driving around without tax? It'll always come up as SORNd on the DVLA so they won't complain I don't have tax, and driving around no one would know unless they checked the reg.
So do all ANPR cameras report to the DVLA/Police? Even those within petrol stations and average speed jobbies?
Under the data protection act, surely that would be illegal unless it was for the sole purpose of congestion charging, and even then would that system check the DVLA for the tax status of a vehicle? All these systems would have to talk to the DVLA database for it to pick it up.
So do all ANPR cameras report to the DVLA/Police? Even those within petrol stations and average speed jobbies?
Under the data protection act, surely that would be illegal unless it was for the sole purpose of congestion charging, and even then would that system check the DVLA for the tax status of a vehicle? All these systems would have to talk to the DVLA database for it to pick it up.
Basil Hume said:
There's no such thing as "road tax":
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23694438
Can't believe we've got to page 10 and no-one's pointed that out yet.
From the first page: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23694438
Can't believe we've got to page 10 and no-one's pointed that out yet.
Nick Young said:
Here's something I don't understand.
We're forever being told that it's not car tax, it's vehicle excise duty (VED). So why is it a tax disc, not a VED disc?
It's called a tax disc for the same reason the majority of people refer to it as road tax or car tax. It's a colloquialism, simple as that. Or "rent" as it's often referred to within the trade. We're forever being told that it's not car tax, it's vehicle excise duty (VED). So why is it a tax disc, not a VED disc?
Only the likes of us sad b
ds know that it's VED and has been since 1936. Many in the trade still call it RFL too. For anyone that doesn't, enjoy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_Fund
None of which is particularly relevant to the substance of the topic under discussion, other than a point of minor pedantry.
Zwolf said:
It's called a tax disc for the same reason the majority of people refer to it as road tax or car tax. It's a colloquialism, simple as that. Or "rent" as it's often referred to within the trade.
Only the likes of us sad bds know that it's VED and has been since 1936. Many in the trade still call it RFL too.
For anyone that doesn't, enjoy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_Fund
None of which is particularly relevant to the substance of the topic under discussion, other than a point of minor pedantry.
How are you lot going to survive without being able cash in the VED on trade ins?Only the likes of us sad b
ds know that it's VED and has been since 1936. Many in the trade still call it RFL too. For anyone that doesn't, enjoy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_Fund
None of which is particularly relevant to the substance of the topic under discussion, other than a point of minor pedantry.
AndySuperSport said:
What's stopping me from SORNing my Caterham, and driving around without tax? It'll always come up as SORNd on the DVLA so they won't complain I don't have tax, and driving around no one would know unless they checked the reg.
So do all ANPR cameras report to the DVLA/Police? Even those within petrol stations and average speed jobbies?
Under the data protection act, surely that would be illegal unless it was for the sole purpose of congestion charging, and even then would that system check the DVLA for the tax status of a vehicle? All these systems would have to talk to the DVLA database for it to pick it up.
Police cars are regularly fitted with ANPR cameras which scan every car they drive past. The DVLA vans as shown above also scan all cars in a street as they drive down.So do all ANPR cameras report to the DVLA/Police? Even those within petrol stations and average speed jobbies?
Under the data protection act, surely that would be illegal unless it was for the sole purpose of congestion charging, and even then would that system check the DVLA for the tax status of a vehicle? All these systems would have to talk to the DVLA database for it to pick it up.
I think the true sign for me that the tax disc is defunct is that I haven't displayed one in my Mondeo for several weeks now and have never been pulled despite passing many Police cars. Presumably because my VRM shows as correctly taxed on their ANPR and/or the ones without ANPR simply don't look for it. I don't even have a disc holder on the screen so it really stands out.
I must get around to sorting a new holder I suppose, this lucky streak can't last forever!
AndySuperSport said:
What's stopping me from SORNing my Caterham, and driving around without tax? It'll always come up as SORNd on the DVLA so they won't complain I don't have tax, and driving around no one would know unless they checked the reg.
So do all ANPR cameras report to the DVLA/Police? Even those within petrol stations and average speed jobbies?
Under the data protection act, surely that would be illegal unless it was for the sole purpose of congestion charging, and even then would that system check the DVLA for the tax status of a vehicle? All these systems would have to talk to the DVLA database for it to pick it up.
If on a Police car they will turn round and stop you. If caught by an "unmanned" camera you'll simply get a fine through the post. It's just a dumb computer linking reg nr to VED database to your address ...So do all ANPR cameras report to the DVLA/Police? Even those within petrol stations and average speed jobbies?
Under the data protection act, surely that would be illegal unless it was for the sole purpose of congestion charging, and even then would that system check the DVLA for the tax status of a vehicle? All these systems would have to talk to the DVLA database for it to pick it up.
TX.
AndySuperSport said:
What's stopping me from SORNing my Caterham, and driving around without tax? It'll always come up as SORNd on the DVLA so they won't complain I don't have tax, and driving around no one would know unless they checked the reg.
So do all ANPR cameras report to the DVLA/Police? Even those within petrol stations and average speed jobbies?
Under the data protection act, surely that would be illegal unless it was for the sole purpose of congestion charging, and even then would that system check the DVLA for the tax status of a vehicle? All these systems would have to talk to the DVLA database for it to pick it up.
I don't see a data protection issue. The data is your number plate, there is no issue with collecting that data because it is there and visible for all to see. The fact that a computer pings it against centrally held records by DVLA (which you have consented to holding your full personal info) is irrelevant, as long as the DVLA aren't telling the petrol station who you are and where you live (which of course they are not).So do all ANPR cameras report to the DVLA/Police? Even those within petrol stations and average speed jobbies?
Under the data protection act, surely that would be illegal unless it was for the sole purpose of congestion charging, and even then would that system check the DVLA for the tax status of a vehicle? All these systems would have to talk to the DVLA database for it to pick it up.
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