RE: Porsche 928: PH Carpool
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Google [bot] said:
Really? I'm up for a new clutch for my S4 and am told it's a big job, and also that parts aren't available so likely need to upgrade to GTS clutch?
It's not a big job.If your clutch is slipping the only part you have to replace is the friction plate (approx £250 new or $60 good used), but you'd be mad not to replace the pilot bearing (£2) and if you leave the 'release bearing' in place it could well let go half way round the 'Ring (oh yes - that's really not good at all). I drove back to London with no clutch as a result.
I don't know what the current position is re parts, but unless you think there is a really good reason why you may need a new pressure plate you could well get away with a new friction plate and bearings. A couple of years ago EPC were selling a complete clutch pack for about £550.
JM1962 said:
I was talking about the sprocket that's halfway down the camshaft not the cam pulley. On the S4 the sprockets wear because the cam chain tensioning pad wears and allows the chain to become looser which in turn causes wear to the teeth. Only an issue on the 32V cars.
I see my mistake. But I've owned 928s for 7 years and followed forums etc throughout. I can't recall single instance of someone replacing that sprocket! In fact sprockets are integral to camshaft, so yes replacement cams would be expensive!Though the head is almost identical to 944, tensioner pad failure is rare in 928 but common in 944s. Hence even pad replacement is rarely done by 928 owners, unless cam covers off for another reason (typically painting). I've not done it on either of my 32V 828s and am pretty obsessive about maintenance!
What's your source for sprocket wear being an issue on the 32v'ers?
MattCSLnut said:
ukkid35 said:
Nice one Rafe.
This is what I posted on Rennlist almost two years ago:
I bought my 928 on 16th Jan 02, ten years ago today, since then I've done about 73,000 miles in ten countries.
I reckon I've spent about £20k on fuel, £6k on insurance, £1.5k on tax, £2k on tyres, and perhaps £6k on parts and other consumables.
I've driven on 14 tracks, including several trips to the Ring.
I don't think it has depreciated much from the £5k purchase price, and it runs better now then any time since I bought it.
And best of all I've made lots of good friends - Cheers Guys!
I do still have my 928, but now it gets used almost exclusively as an intercontinental holiday touring car, as at 225k miles it seemed cruel to continue tracking it (still does 337bhp at SRR though, even at that mileage).
928 Ring Trips are always memorable Paul This is what I posted on Rennlist almost two years ago:
I bought my 928 on 16th Jan 02, ten years ago today, since then I've done about 73,000 miles in ten countries.
I reckon I've spent about £20k on fuel, £6k on insurance, £1.5k on tax, £2k on tyres, and perhaps £6k on parts and other consumables.
I've driven on 14 tracks, including several trips to the Ring.
I don't think it has depreciated much from the £5k purchase price, and it runs better now then any time since I bought it.
And best of all I've made lots of good friends - Cheers Guys!
I do still have my 928, but now it gets used almost exclusively as an intercontinental holiday touring car, as at 225k miles it seemed cruel to continue tracking it (still does 337bhp at SRR though, even at that mileage).
Edited by ukkid35 on Monday 9th December 14:16
Utterly stunning, loved the 928 ever since an uncle bought me a model kit back in the early 80s. And I'll never forgive my sister for breaking it.
clonmult said:
I've always thought that the 928 shape hasn't dated, and pics like this show a car that despite its age is still a better design than the godawful Panamera. Heck, the Panamera already looks dated.
Utterly stunning, loved the 928 ever since an uncle bought me a model kit back in the early 80s. And I'll never forgive my sister for breaking it.
Utterly stunning, loved the 928 ever since an uncle bought me a model kit back in the early 80s. And I'll never forgive my sister for breaking it.
The 928 is only as big as it needs to be to do the job it sets out to do, which is to be a sublime GT.
It's great skill is being good everywhere. I've driven one through London for 3 hours at an 8mph average and it was fine. Autobahn at 160mph? Rock solid.
Wouldn't be my first choice for a blast but as a do-everything car it's awesome.
I had a 928S for several years and sold it last year. For an old car it sure pulled like a train once moving, made an absolutely wonderful noise (I had straight through pipes fitted) and was rarer than a very rare thing, I think I may have seen 3 or 4 in the 7 years I had it.
First thing, they need to be used regularly and really don't like sitting about. They're expensive things to keep, a new radiator is about £1000 and a clutch kit is £800 plus VAT and fitting. They drink huge amounts, and don't even think about popping out for a pint of milk in it as that'll be a £5 in one go, they drink huge amount when just popping about on short drives.
They're an old car now obviously, but built like tanks. The first thing I'd be doing as long as there are no obvious mechanicals is to get the interior a nice warm and cosy place to be by replacing all the seals, clearing out debris from the gromets that let the water out and not into the passenger footwell...Get the air con serviced. If this isn't all in order Winter is going to be an unpleasant experience.
Mechnically I think they're pretty good really, may be worth having the cooling system overhauled for piece of mind. Paul Anderson is the man to get in contact with, good bloke and has loads of parts available.
It was a nice car but you need deep pockets to really get the best out of it and use it regularly. In the end, the novelty wore off, due to the fact that it consumed fuel like nothing I could ever imagine, which, when coupled with huge garage bills, it prompted me to say enough is enough and off it went. I lost a few grand on it in the end, but no more than most people lose when purchasing a new Focus, however, I used it far less. If truth be told, I regret buying it, for the amount it cost me to keep compared to the amount I managed to use it, it was an insane purchase and made no sense. If I won the lottery though, I'd buy one in a shot and throw a load of money on an old one and have it restored to like new.
First thing, they need to be used regularly and really don't like sitting about. They're expensive things to keep, a new radiator is about £1000 and a clutch kit is £800 plus VAT and fitting. They drink huge amounts, and don't even think about popping out for a pint of milk in it as that'll be a £5 in one go, they drink huge amount when just popping about on short drives.
They're an old car now obviously, but built like tanks. The first thing I'd be doing as long as there are no obvious mechanicals is to get the interior a nice warm and cosy place to be by replacing all the seals, clearing out debris from the gromets that let the water out and not into the passenger footwell...Get the air con serviced. If this isn't all in order Winter is going to be an unpleasant experience.
Mechnically I think they're pretty good really, may be worth having the cooling system overhauled for piece of mind. Paul Anderson is the man to get in contact with, good bloke and has loads of parts available.
It was a nice car but you need deep pockets to really get the best out of it and use it regularly. In the end, the novelty wore off, due to the fact that it consumed fuel like nothing I could ever imagine, which, when coupled with huge garage bills, it prompted me to say enough is enough and off it went. I lost a few grand on it in the end, but no more than most people lose when purchasing a new Focus, however, I used it far less. If truth be told, I regret buying it, for the amount it cost me to keep compared to the amount I managed to use it, it was an insane purchase and made no sense. If I won the lottery though, I'd buy one in a shot and throw a load of money on an old one and have it restored to like new.
)MattCSLnut said:
There have been rumours about the re-release of the 928 floating about the tinternest for ages.
Here's an example from 2010
Looks a pretty good remake there, but 911's are so comfortable now (compared to the 80's cars) that I don't think there's a market for it any more.Here's an example from 2010
J4CKO said:
My 944 S2 had the cams replaced for that reason, so stands to reason if a 944 engine is half a 928 one it's a possibility, and twice as expensive !
Yup it's relatively frequent problem with 44s which have very similar head. The 928 proved almost immune to same problem, which had people and Porsche scratching their heads. The difference was eventually traced to the actual angle which the head sits at. Forget why that created problem for 944 but it was the explanation. I honestly can't remember reading about a single case of cam failure on a 928, other than related to timing belt failureGreat article! I have just bought a 928 S4 Auto (1989) myself; well, when I say just, I mean almost 3 months ago as it's spent quite some time in the garage already. Having said that, now that all the major deferred maintenance has been completed (radiator, idle stab valve etc..) - it drives superbly. Coming up to winter, I'd agree, it's perhaps not the most practical option and a very hard ride on the daily comute, but it's so much fun to drive that practicality goes out the window!
stratfordshark said:
J4CKO said:
My 944 S2 had the cams replaced for that reason, so stands to reason if a 944 engine is half a 928 one it's a possibility, and twice as expensive !
Yup it's relatively frequent problem with 44s which have very similar head. The 928 proved almost immune to same problem, which had people and Porsche scratching their heads. The difference was eventually traced to the actual angle which the head sits at. Forget why that created problem for 944 but it was the explanation. I honestly can't remember reading about a single case of cam failure on a 928, other than related to timing belt failureI think the 928 may just be getting the attention it deserves as a classic, I wonder how many people would choose a 911 if they drove a contemporary one from the 928 era and a 928 ?
I wish Porsche would do a remake, the Panamera is a nice car but it is a bit of an ugly bloater, the 928 was never a pretty car but it just had something, not exotic but not mundane, purposeful, businesslike, classy but understated.
Keep the 928 talk going, it is great to hear them being used and also Paul Sage is a great Porsche Engineer who knows his 928's
I'm thinking of going from a 944 to 928 and these stories say to me - Go - Don't go - Go - No Go - STOP !!! - Go - Seems if you can afford one them it'll be the best GT car ever.
I'm thinking of going from a 944 to 928 and these stories say to me - Go - Don't go - Go - No Go - STOP !!! - Go - Seems if you can afford one them it'll be the best GT car ever.
nrb944 said:
I'm thinking of going from a 944 to 928 and these stories say to me - Go - Go - Go - Go - Seems if you can afford one them it'll be the best GT car ever.
I deleted the 'No Go's' in your quote above.Seems you don't have a choice not to now!
If you are going to buy - now would be a great time.
1. Prices not going to drop any more
2. Out of season so good haggling opportunities
3. 50th Anniversary of 911 drawing attention to the marque
I firmly believe the good examples will start creeping up in value soon.
Just avoid the bad ones whatever you do!
Rafeabrook said:
Looks a pretty good remake there, but 911's are so comfortable now (compared to the 80's cars) that I don't think there's a market for it any more.
If there were a slightly smaller 2 door panamera coupe (that looked as good as many of the concept 928 pics that have floated around for years) I would certainly consider one if I had a couple of young kids.It would be a perfect 'transition' car from a 2 seater (or 911 with tiny rears) as one had kids/kids got to around 6-7 years old, before they got old enough that you have to get a full on saloon car.
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