RE: DiCaprio's Formula E team
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Technomatt said:
It's now becoming even more clear, factual input regarding sales, residuals, pricing is not really your primary motivation here, this predictable descent into the inevitable soap box for trying to highlighting those incorrectly perceived extremist, political, social, class or polluted and hijacked views is your raison d’être.
Interesting.
Hmm. Let me see. I distinctly recall disproving your spouting a with public non bias data on all the other threads you hijack. Interesting.
You're one very confused and troubled chappie.
Technomatt said:
RemarkLima said:
Technomatt said:
You justify paying £5K for a EV battery based on the very low probability an ICE engine may fail..... Also an ICE engine can be replaced significantly cheaper than £5K.
Unless it's a Porsche 911 996 - plenty of engines going pop, and plenty paying over £5 for a new one... But what do they know eh?Why didn't you use a Veyron as a representative comparison for a typical EV?
Your point was that an EV battery pack dies after 8 years.
My point was plenty of high end, expensive engines go pop out of warranty with owners having to cough up. Swirl flaps on BMW, injector failures on Mercs and VW (at ~£1k per injector, dealer prices as you're not looking at the after market options), HPFP, recalls a plenty for Toyota.
You *could* easily be landed with a £5k bill 10 years down the line with a modern car. Same as an EV battery *could* die after 10 years. We just don't know.
DonkeyApple said:
Technomatt said:
It's now becoming even more clear, factual input regarding sales, residuals, pricing is not really your primary motivation here, this predictable descent into the inevitable soap box for trying to highlighting those incorrectly perceived extremist, political, social, class or polluted and hijacked views is your raison d’être.
Interesting.
Hmm. Let me see. I distinctly recall disproving your spouting a with public non bias data on all the other threads you hijack. Interesting.
You're one very confused and troubled chappie.
Technomatt said:
DonkeyApple said:
Technomatt said:
It's now becoming even more clear, factual input regarding sales, residuals, pricing is not really your primary motivation here, this predictable descent into the inevitable soap box for trying to highlighting those incorrectly perceived extremist, political, social, class or polluted and hijacked views is your raison d’être.
Interesting.
Hmm. Let me see. I distinctly recall disproving your spouting a with public non bias data on all the other threads you hijack. Interesting.
You're one very confused and troubled chappie.
We get it, you don't think a lot of EVs. received and understood, 100%. Thank you for your input.
Do you realise that you come across as utterly rabid in your responses?
I think you need to take a break from hammering your keyboard and actually try and take in other people's reactions to your comments - you are going way past the usual ebb and flow of a 2 way discussion and noone likes that, you are coming across as an utter single issue fundamentalist mental case and we are all bored to hell with it. I've never come across anyone more well suited to the following
Seriously, pack it in............
RemarkLima said:
Technomatt said:
RemarkLima said:
Technomatt said:
You justify paying £5K for a EV battery based on the very low probability an ICE engine may fail..... Also an ICE engine can be replaced significantly cheaper than £5K.
Unless it's a Porsche 911 996 - plenty of engines going pop, and plenty paying over £5 for a new one... But what do they know eh?Why didn't you use a Veyron as a representative comparison for a typical EV?
Your point was that an EV battery pack dies after 8 years.
My point was plenty of high end, expensive engines go pop out of warranty with owners having to cough up. Swirl flaps on BMW, injector failures on Mercs and VW (at ~£1k per injector, dealer prices as you're not looking at the after market options), HPFP, recalls a plenty for Toyota.
You *could* easily be landed with a £5k bill 10 years down the line with a modern car. Same as an EV battery *could* die after 10 years. We just don't know.
It's a built in guaranteed cost overhead. Significant and expensive ICE engine failures are more random. There is a big difference between knowing something may happen with a low probability (ICE) to something the will happen with a 100% certainty (EV).
Technomatt said:
The issue with the EV Li-ion battery is it WILL degrade in performance over time. That could be as soon as 5 years or longer. Once you hit an 8 year point, the risk increases and suddenly someone has to make an expensive replacement or warranty decision or try to sell a vehicle on with that replacement issue.
It's a built in guaranteed cost overhead. Significant and expensive ICE engine failures are more random. There is a big difference between knowing something may happen with a low probability (ICE) to something the will happen with a 100% certainty (EV).
And the solution for the EV market is?It's a built in guaranteed cost overhead. Significant and expensive ICE engine failures are more random. There is a big difference between knowing something may happen with a low probability (ICE) to something the will happen with a 100% certainty (EV).
Technomatt said:
RemarkLima said:
Why not? By you own reasoning, the Veyron is 100% pointless, how many have they sold compared to global car sales? And they make a loss on each one! Useless surely? And what if I live in a 54th floor flat in London, where do I park it? It wouldn't be safe on the street?
Your point was that an EV battery pack dies after 8 years.
My point was plenty of high end, expensive engines go pop out of warranty with owners having to cough up. Swirl flaps on BMW, injector failures on Mercs and VW (at ~£1k per injector, dealer prices as you're not looking at the after market options), HPFP, recalls a plenty for Toyota.
You *could* easily be landed with a £5k bill 10 years down the line with a modern car. Same as an EV battery *could* die after 10 years. We just don't know.
The issue with the EV Li-ion battery is it WILL degrade in performance over time. That could be as soon as 5 years or longer. Once you hit an 8 year point, the risk increases and suddenly someone has to make an expensive replacement or warranty decision or try to sell a vehicle on with that replacement issue. Your point was that an EV battery pack dies after 8 years.
My point was plenty of high end, expensive engines go pop out of warranty with owners having to cough up. Swirl flaps on BMW, injector failures on Mercs and VW (at ~£1k per injector, dealer prices as you're not looking at the after market options), HPFP, recalls a plenty for Toyota.
You *could* easily be landed with a £5k bill 10 years down the line with a modern car. Same as an EV battery *could* die after 10 years. We just don't know.
It's a built in guaranteed cost overhead. Significant and expensive ICE engine failures are more random. There is a big difference between knowing something may happen with a low probability (ICE) to something the will happen with a 100% certainty (EV).
Funny, we've made nooo progress at all then?
Greg_D said:
Matt, seriously, stop..........
We get it, you don't think a lot of EVs. received and understood, 100%. Thank you for your input.
Do you realise that you come across as utterly rabid in your responses?
I think you need to take a break from hammering your keyboard and actually try and take in other people's reactions to your comments - you are going way past the usual ebb and flow of a 2 way discussion and noone likes that, you are coming across as an utter single issue fundamentalist mental case and we are all bored to hell with it. I've never come across anyone more well suited to the following
Seriously, pack it in............
Ahh... one of those single post fatherly advice type posts from a self-appointed thread monitor. We get it, you don't think a lot of EVs. received and understood, 100%. Thank you for your input.
Do you realise that you come across as utterly rabid in your responses?
I think you need to take a break from hammering your keyboard and actually try and take in other people's reactions to your comments - you are going way past the usual ebb and flow of a 2 way discussion and noone likes that, you are coming across as an utter single issue fundamentalist mental case and we are all bored to hell with it. I've never come across anyone more well suited to the following
Seriously, pack it in............
Anything to add to the content? Suspect not.
I'm having a great time on a Fri thanks and it will naturally fizzle out soon.
Technomatt said:
Greg_D said:
Matt, seriously, stop..........
We get it, you don't think a lot of EVs. received and understood, 100%. Thank you for your input.
Do you realise that you come across as utterly rabid in your responses?
I think you need to take a break from hammering your keyboard and actually try and take in other people's reactions to your comments - you are going way past the usual ebb and flow of a 2 way discussion and noone likes that, you are coming across as an utter single issue fundamentalist mental case and we are all bored to hell with it. I've never come across anyone more well suited to the following
Seriously, pack it in............
Ahh... one of those single post fatherly advice type posts from a self-appointed thread monitor. We get it, you don't think a lot of EVs. received and understood, 100%. Thank you for your input.
Do you realise that you come across as utterly rabid in your responses?
I think you need to take a break from hammering your keyboard and actually try and take in other people's reactions to your comments - you are going way past the usual ebb and flow of a 2 way discussion and noone likes that, you are coming across as an utter single issue fundamentalist mental case and we are all bored to hell with it. I've never come across anyone more well suited to the following
Seriously, pack it in............
Anything to add to the content? Suspect not.
I'm having a great time on a Fri thanks and it will naturally fizzle out soon.
i don't doubt that it will all fizzle out soon, you will have successfully choked the life out of yet another thread with your myopic opinion - congratulations. just because you bang on the longest and everyone else who was engaging you in a bit of a debate decides that you are utterly entrenched in your view and completely unwilling to accept a different viewpoint gives up and gets on with something interesting in their life doesn't mean you are right, see 300bhp and mattnunn for examples......
Anyway, carry on enjoying your friday and i hope that your weekend goes well too.
Edited by Greg_D on Friday 13th December 13:33
Greg_D said:
Technomatt said:
Greg_D said:
Matt, seriously, stop..........
We get it, you don't think a lot of EVs. received and understood, 100%. Thank you for your input.
Do you realise that you come across as utterly rabid in your responses?
I think you need to take a break from hammering your keyboard and actually try and take in other people's reactions to your comments - you are going way past the usual ebb and flow of a 2 way discussion and noone likes that, you are coming across as an utter single issue fundamentalist mental case and we are all bored to hell with it. I've never come across anyone more well suited to the following
Seriously, pack it in............
Ahh... one of those single post fatherly advice type posts from a self-appointed thread monitor. We get it, you don't think a lot of EVs. received and understood, 100%. Thank you for your input.
Do you realise that you come across as utterly rabid in your responses?
I think you need to take a break from hammering your keyboard and actually try and take in other people's reactions to your comments - you are going way past the usual ebb and flow of a 2 way discussion and noone likes that, you are coming across as an utter single issue fundamentalist mental case and we are all bored to hell with it. I've never come across anyone more well suited to the following
Seriously, pack it in............
Anything to add to the content? Suspect not.
I'm having a great time on a Fri thanks and it will naturally fizzle out soon.
i don't doubt that it will all fizzle out soon, you will have successfully choked the life out of yet another thread with your myopic opinion - congratulations. just because you bang on the longest and everyone else who was engaging you in a bit of a debate decides that you are utterly entrenched in your view and completely unwilling to accept a different viewpoint gives up and gets on with something interesting in their life doesn't mean you are right, see 300bhp and mattnunn for examples......
Anyway, carry on enjoying your friday and i hope that your weekend goes well too.
And as predicted, nothing to add to the debate, just hugely peeved there is an alternate viewpoint and feels a huge need to offer up a written ticking off. Well done.
Technomatt said:
Ahh... one of those single post fatherly advice type posts from a self-appointed thread monitor.
Anything to add to the content? Suspect not.
I'm having a great time on a Fri thanks and it will naturally fizzle out soon.
This is you idea of fun?Anything to add to the content? Suspect not.
I'm having a great time on a Fri thanks and it will naturally fizzle out soon.
Get a life
I'm buying an electric car and you are making it cheaper and easier for me
And i'm going to find out where you live and i'm going to come round at 3am and rev the engine
And you'll never know if i've done it or not
MX7 said:
DonkeyApple said:
And the solution for the EV market is?
Use fossil fuels. They will last forever. 
Also the political issue of access to oil to consider and being beholden to states which do not like the way we live. Fracking and coal is good for producing electricity but not fuel for cars and bio just starves people.
All in there is good sense in trying alternatives that will replace little boxes and the benefits are clear to see and hear. But a lot of the politics needs to be tempered.
DonkeyApple said:
Technomatt said:
The issue with the EV Li-ion battery is it WILL degrade in performance over time. That could be as soon as 5 years or longer. Once you hit an 8 year point, the risk increases and suddenly someone has to make an expensive replacement or warranty decision or try to sell a vehicle on with that replacement issue.
It's a built in guaranteed cost overhead. Significant and expensive ICE engine failures are more random. There is a big difference between knowing something may happen with a low probability (ICE) to something the will happen with a 100% certainty (EV).
And the solution for the EV market is?It's a built in guaranteed cost overhead. Significant and expensive ICE engine failures are more random. There is a big difference between knowing something may happen with a low probability (ICE) to something the will happen with a 100% certainty (EV).
Technomatt said:
DonkeyApple said:
Technomatt said:
The issue with the EV Li-ion battery is it WILL degrade in performance over time. That could be as soon as 5 years or longer. Once you hit an 8 year point, the risk increases and suddenly someone has to make an expensive replacement or warranty decision or try to sell a vehicle on with that replacement issue.
It's a built in guaranteed cost overhead. Significant and expensive ICE engine failures are more random. There is a big difference between knowing something may happen with a low probability (ICE) to something the will happen with a 100% certainty (EV).
And the solution for the EV market is?It's a built in guaranteed cost overhead. Significant and expensive ICE engine failures are more random. There is a big difference between knowing something may happen with a low probability (ICE) to something the will happen with a 100% certainty (EV).
Technomatt said:
Regarding depreciation? Currently they will be depreciated down to zero value at about the 8 year point. That trend is already establishing.
Rubbish.The *battery* will depreciate to zero at eight years. The *car* won't. The cars themselves are simpler with many fewer things to go wrong mechanically than an IC equivalent, so will easily be maintainale past the point where an IC car costs serious money.
The solution will be a new battery, which in eight years' time will be better in every way than the one the car was sold with new: cheaper, more capacity for given package size, etc.
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