So you have just paid to have your DPF removed....
Discussion
MG CHRIS said:
As for dpf's they are rubbish they don't reduce the level of emissions they store the harmful particulates then once it needs a regen it burns it and chucks it back out the exhaust pipe it's the single worst invention to be put on a car.
Surely the idea is to burn it at a higher temperature to reduce the particulate emissions - and to dump them on motorways rather than town centres. 
As I've already said in two other threads here, to, it seems, no avail, a missing DPF (either the whole thing, or just the core), can be instantly detected with a system readout through the OBD. There is no need to physically look under the car, if it's been removed, or gutted and then welded up again, even if the system software has been altered to stop the system throwing up a fault message, a system check will show it instantly.
All the testing stations need is a terminal, and the specific software, and 30 seccs to plug it in, and that's it. Job done.
Here in Germany they've been doing it for years as part of the immisions test that you have to pay for together with the MOT, and I think in other EU countries too. Frankly, I'm f
king amazed that you can still get away with removing cats and DPF's in England, Id've thought the regulation nazis in Brussels would've stopped it years ago. It's what they call progress, even though most of it is useless bullst.
All the testing stations need is a terminal, and the specific software, and 30 seccs to plug it in, and that's it. Job done.
Here in Germany they've been doing it for years as part of the immisions test that you have to pay for together with the MOT, and I think in other EU countries too. Frankly, I'm f
king amazed that you can still get away with removing cats and DPF's in England, Id've thought the regulation nazis in Brussels would've stopped it years ago. It's what they call progress, even though most of it is useless bullst.GuitarTech said:
As I've already said in two other threads here, to, it seems, no avail, a missing DPF (either the whole thing, or just the core), can be instantly detected with a system readout through the OBD. There is no need to physically look under the car, if it's been removed, or gutted and then welded up again, even if the system software has been altered to stop the system throwing up a fault message, a system check will show it instantly.
All the testing stations need is a terminal, and the specific software, and 30 seccs to plug it in, and that's it. Job done.
Here in Germany they've been doing it for years as part of the immisions test that you have to pay for together with the MOT, and I think in other EU countries too. Frankly, I'm fking amazed that you can still get away with removing cats and DPF's in England, Id've thought the regulation nazis in Brussels would've stopped it years ago. It's what they call progress, even though most of it is useless bullst.
Britain has a tendency to try and ignore some of the more silly red tape the EU deem necessary to 'enforce'. To be honest, I'm glad it's that way. All the testing stations need is a terminal, and the specific software, and 30 seccs to plug it in, and that's it. Job done.
Here in Germany they've been doing it for years as part of the immisions test that you have to pay for together with the MOT, and I think in other EU countries too. Frankly, I'm f
king amazed that you can still get away with removing cats and DPF's in England, Id've thought the regulation nazis in Brussels would've stopped it years ago. It's what they call progress, even though most of it is useless bullst.GuitarTech said:
As I've already said in two other threads here, to, it seems, no avail, a missing DPF (either the whole thing, or just the core), can be instantly detected with a system readout through the OBD. There is no need to physically look under the car, if it's been removed, or gutted and then welded up again, even if the system software has been altered to stop the system throwing up a fault message, a system check will show it instantly.
All the testing stations need is a terminal, and the specific software, and 30 seccs to plug it in, and that's it. Job done.
Here in Germany they've been doing it for years as part of the immisions test that you have to pay for together with the MOT, and I think in other EU countries too. Frankly, I'm fking amazed that you can still get away with removing cats and DPF's in England, Id've thought the regulation nazis in Brussels would've stopped it years ago. It's what they call progress, even though most of it is useless bullst.
They won't do that though, just like they backed off checking for remaps. It will remain a visible non-invasive check.All the testing stations need is a terminal, and the specific software, and 30 seccs to plug it in, and that's it. Job done.
Here in Germany they've been doing it for years as part of the immisions test that you have to pay for together with the MOT, and I think in other EU countries too. Frankly, I'm f
king amazed that you can still get away with removing cats and DPF's in England, Id've thought the regulation nazis in Brussels would've stopped it years ago. It's what they call progress, even though most of it is useless bullst.
Ranger 6 said:
Monty Python said:
...It will evidently not always be possible for the tester to tell...
The tester can simply wipe their finger round the inside of the tailpipe - the soot will be obvious.Greengecko said:
GuitarTech said:
As I've already said in two other threads here, to, it seems, no avail, a missing DPF (either the whole thing, or just the core), can be instantly detected with a system readout through the OBD. There is no need to physically look under the car, if it's been removed, or gutted and then welded up again, even if the system software has been altered to stop the system throwing up a fault message, a system check will show it instantly.
All the testing stations need is a terminal, and the specific software, and 30 seccs to plug it in, and that's it. Job done.
Here in Germany they've been doing it for years as part of the immisions test that you have to pay for together with the MOT, and I think in other EU countries too. Frankly, I'm fking amazed that you can still get away with removing cats and DPF's in England, Id've thought the regulation nazis in Brussels would've stopped it years ago. It's what they call progress, even though most of it is useless bullst.
Britain has a tendency to try and ignore some of the more silly red tape the EU deem necessary to 'enforce'. To be honest, I'm glad it's that way. All the testing stations need is a terminal, and the specific software, and 30 seccs to plug it in, and that's it. Job done.
Here in Germany they've been doing it for years as part of the immisions test that you have to pay for together with the MOT, and I think in other EU countries too. Frankly, I'm f
king amazed that you can still get away with removing cats and DPF's in England, Id've thought the regulation nazis in Brussels would've stopped it years ago. It's what they call progress, even though most of it is useless bullst.t reason the control freaks can dream up. Disco You said:
I saw one poster comment in an earlier thread that it won't be possible for a tester to tell if a DPF has been removed. Is this true?
They'll know when they crank the engine and a load of black st comes out the back! New emissions analysers should be able to detect PM as well. There are machines available which can make a pretty good stab at counting individual particles.
Don't forget, this stuff is coming to petrol engines soon and their PM measurement can't be done by mass in the time available. So it's particle counting. GPFs are already well researched.
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Sunday 15th December 00:34
Speedracer329 said:
Well you say that, but who would buy it?
Well....thousands of customers out there....Car is immaculate, no expense spared and FSH. Depends if I decide to sell obviously.
DPFs are simply not fit for purpose. Hence why guys like me gutted or removed them. Since doing so the car is a pleasure.
If it don't sell I'll keep it. I'll be f
ked if I am going to cave into peer pressure...Mr GrimNasty said:
They won't do that though, just like they backed off checking for remaps. It will remain a visible non-invasive check.
That was never actually seriously proposed but you would need to be naive to think it wont be implemented in the future because it most certainly will.Our 3 year inspectorate visit happened last week and after some questions on dpfs were put forward to him we were told in no uncertain terms that invasive is exactly how its going to get,His words:
"sometime in the near-ish future your mot tester will take an interest in your obd port"
Adding something along the lines of it naturally becoming perfectly legal and their aim,to seize your car if it fails a roadside test or mot because of removed or by passed emissions control or treatment systems,leaving you with a fine and points plus the chance of having your car turned into a washing machine and some nails.
I have seen many proposals many said will not be applied,be applied because its too good an opportunity not to.
If there is one thing you can be sure of is that if there is a possibility that it will raise revenue by fines and added cost to motorists,(a lot of vat on dpfs)plus forcing older cars off the road by virtue of cost effectiveness of dpf replacement(meaning you have to buy a new car thus raising revenue again)you can bet your last pound on it becoming a reality and quicker than you might imagine.
The EU,eastern Europe,Canada and the US amongst others have agreed an upper ceiling on pollutants which from 2010 includes carbon and soot particulates,heavy fines ensue for those countries not making the grade.
By 2020 there is to be another swathe of limits added to be complied with by then and once again massive fines ensue,lowering industrial emissions costs the country lots of money and takes eons to achieve.
Motorists are easy pickings,have deep pockets and will take it in the arse dry to continue driving.
HannsG said:
Well....thousands of customers out there....
Car is immaculate, no expense spared and FSH. Depends if I decide to sell obviously.
DPFs are simply not fit for purpose. Hence why guys like me gutted or removed them. Since doing so the car is a pleasure.
If it don't sell I'll keep it. I'll be fked if I am going to cave into peer pressure...
Why do you say DPFs are not fit for purpose?Car is immaculate, no expense spared and FSH. Depends if I decide to sell obviously.
DPFs are simply not fit for purpose. Hence why guys like me gutted or removed them. Since doing so the car is a pleasure.
If it don't sell I'll keep it. I'll be f
ked if I am going to cave into peer pressure...Also, what car do you have?
Edited by Pints on Sunday 15th December 09:06
C. Grimsley said:
When you do an mot test as I do
OK, you're a tester - so coming with experience and knowledge.[quote]I have no real issues with the test but I do feel it's starting to force the older and in my eyes better cars off the road.
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