So you have just paid to have your DPF removed....
Discussion
Rich_W said:
There IS a correct way to drive a car equipped with one and if you don't do that sort of driving. You have the WRONG car 
In all innocence, having just bought a DPF diesel, what is the correct way of driving one please? I'm told my mileage is marginal (12-15,000 p.a) so any advice that can ward off an evil bill would be welcome. perhaps I should have bought the 180 petrol (156bhp) and not the 200CDi (136bhp) but I'd got used to diesel torque over the years. Oh, and I AM a petrolhead but view this car just as transport.lowdrag said:
Rich_W said:
There IS a correct way to drive a car equipped with one and if you don't do that sort of driving. You have the WRONG car
In all innocence, having just bought a DPF diesel, what is the correct way of driving one please? I'm told my mileage is marginal (12-15,000 p.a) so any advice that can ward off an evil bill would be welcome. perhaps I should have bought the 180 petrol (156bhp) and not the 200CDi (136bhp) but I'd got used to diesel torque over the years. Oh, and I AM a petrolhead but view this car just as transport.Give the car a good Italian tune up once in a while ie get it well warmed up
on the motorway/ DC ,plenty of revs thru the gears
Edited by powerstroke on Friday 20th December 07:54
Do they do track days for Merc estates? Oh, and on the subject of Italian tune-ups, I remember watching at Felixstowe(?) the stevedores disembarking Alfas during the 1970's. They should have been employed on the Italian Job!
That's sorted then - 300 miles of motorway from Le Mans to Calais next Friday, and back again 10 days after towing the XKSS - after the New Year's meet in the New Forest. I think 2,000 can be achieved but on a serious note the old car (W202 yr 2001) was at 2,000 rpm at 60, but the new one at 85mph. ah well, in the UK I'm on French plates anyway 
A guy who is an MoT tester was telling me last night they are already fully booked for MoT's for the last two weeks of March! people are getting their cars/vans done early to get themselves 12 months grace.
He also said that they do MoT's for Royal Mail and the local council... and they have taken the DPF's off LOADS of their vehicles and chucked them away! Seems the type of use these vehicle are put to does not suite a DPF.
If its true that a company like Royal Mail, and councils have removed DPF's, Its very wrong...
He also said that they do MoT's for Royal Mail and the local council... and they have taken the DPF's off LOADS of their vehicles and chucked them away! Seems the type of use these vehicle are put to does not suite a DPF.
If its true that a company like Royal Mail, and councils have removed DPF's, Its very wrong...
buzzer said:
A guy who is an MoT tester was telling me last night they are already fully booked for MoT's for the last two weeks of March! people are getting their cars/vans done early to get themselves 12 months grace.
He also said that they do MoT's for Royal Mail and the local council... and they have taken the DPF's off LOADS of their vehicles and chucked them away! Seems the type of use these vehicle are put to does not suite a DPF.
If its true that a company like Royal Mail, and councils have removed DPF's, Its very wrong...
I'd take the Royal Mail quote with a pinch of salt, I had the rep from Tunap in a few weeks ago and they have the contract to use their cleaner in all the PO vehicles, and they have a huge tie in with Fiat.He also said that they do MoT's for Royal Mail and the local council... and they have taken the DPF's off LOADS of their vehicles and chucked them away! Seems the type of use these vehicle are put to does not suite a DPF.
If its true that a company like Royal Mail, and councils have removed DPF's, Its very wrong...
Chap, most people do simply because they have proven to cause more problems than they solve and cost the motorist in the process.
Seeing this as silly red tape (and expensive and not a necessity) will be the first step towards understanding why people remove them...
Seeing this as silly red tape (and expensive and not a necessity) will be the first step towards understanding why people remove them...
Foppo]reengecko said:
Britain has a tendency to try and ignore some of the more silly red tape the EU deem necessary to 'enforce'. To be honest, I'm glad it's that way. [/quote
DPF Silly red tape? Don't think so.
DPF Silly red tape? Don't think so.
cologne2792 said:
Krikkit said:
Regular trips on the motorway of >30 mins, realistically. That way it'll get plenty of chance to initiate a regen.
We don't have any motorways in Dorset...Rich_W said:
If you only drive in and around Dorset and never venture onto a motorway. Doesn't that kind of suggest you don't do massive mileages every year? And therefore don't actually need a diesel in the first place?
Seeing as I do mostly fairly short journeys my diesel cars' cost, in fuel anyway, approximately half that of the equivalent petrol - high speed cruising is out. The M5 is 30 miles equidistant from my location and the A30 about 16. Dorset is fairly big + I border Somerset and Devon - we do have roads down here...My 2p is it's mostly irrelevant, cars should be designed to do what the customer wants them to do. Not to be designed to do what the manufacturer or the eco-mentalists want them to do.
Remove the dpf, remap the engine to get the best of it and throw the cat in the bin. Now enjoy more power! What's not to like? Might even reduce fuel consumption on steady motorway runs which isn't a bad thing...
Remove the dpf, remap the engine to get the best of it and throw the cat in the bin. Now enjoy more power! What's not to like? Might even reduce fuel consumption on steady motorway runs which isn't a bad thing...
cologne2792 said:
Seeing as I do mostly fairly short journeys my diesel cars' cost, in fuel anyway, approximately half that of the equivalent petrol - high speed cruising is out. The M5 is 30 miles equidistant from my location and the A30 about 16. Dorset is fairly big + I border Somerset and Devon - we do have roads down here...
You sure? How many miles a year do you do? If it's less than 15K I'll guess that the savings aren't anywhere near that.
Its already affecting trade in prices, got told today if my focus was a 1.6 tdci he didn't want to even take it.
Being the 1.8 tdci it has no dpf so got a good offer on it.
On a side note, the saab 93 1.9 tid is type approved with and without the dpf, short of having the build sheet for the car how will they tell which one it is ?
Being the 1.8 tdci it has no dpf so got a good offer on it.
On a side note, the saab 93 1.9 tid is type approved with and without the dpf, short of having the build sheet for the car how will they tell which one it is ?
Rich_W said:
You sure?
How many miles a year do you do? If it's less than 15K I'll guess that the savings aren't anywhere near that.
We used to run a '88 XR2 with the good old 1.6 CVH. Wife used it to commute to work about 12 miles, via fairly slow roads and country lanes, each day in total. We have a great many hills and live at around 500 feet therefore we are always going uphill and down dale. XR2, on the commute, used to average 26 mpg (brim to brim - no obc in those days - replaced the old CVH engine with an Endura D and average went to 49 mpg. How many miles a year do you do? If it's less than 15K I'll guess that the savings aren't anywhere near that.
We also had a 1.6 Cavalier (uhhhh) on an '88 that we replaced with a similar aged / power BX TZD - Local driving; Cav 25-27 - BX 45+
We're also still at the XM stage - about a dozen 2.1 XUD's and a Borrowed petrol 2.0 - Diesel versions all manage 38-40 locally and the petrol low 20's. We're on now to a 406 hdi acquired for £900 and averaging 50 mpg locally and 60 on a run - I drive at the speed limit but not particularly aggressively any more - I can't think of a comparable sized / comfortable / equivalent mpg priced petrol equivalent ? This is all experience gained over the last 25 years and it's become clear that running all used cars as we've done, so depreciation isn't an issue, it's the TYPE of driving rather than just the DISTANCE that makes the savings. When I was young and cheerful I ran six Ford Capris, the current 2,8i I still have, and found that the difference on mostly short, cold start and cold running local hops between the 2.0, 3.0 and 2.8i was negligible - 23 mpg from the 2.0 and 3.0 and 24 mpg from the 2.8i - long journeys would obviously show a greater difference but down here it doesn't seem to matter much. It's real world mpg versus what the book figures are - it's closer now but on the older engines there's a huge difference in cold running mpg between the petrol and the diesels - considerably more than the figures suggest. Bearing in mind we don't buy new, also have a ramp and do all our own servicing and repairs the savings, in our particular case, are extreme.
It's all very well saying "you've bought the wrong car" etc. but increasingly manufacturers are removing the petrol-engined (non-DPF) options from their ranges. - If you want a new Land Rover Discovery / Toyota Land Cruiser, for example, but don't do a lot of miles, you're stuck with having to budget to get this crap replaced when it fails.
Similarly, my Dad's a driving instructor and currently uses a Mini Cooper D. - He does around 45,000 miles a year but it's almost all urban. He doesn't want a petrol as it'd cost him a lot more in fuel, however DPFs are a massive pain in the arse for him.
Similarly, my Dad's a driving instructor and currently uses a Mini Cooper D. - He does around 45,000 miles a year but it's almost all urban. He doesn't want a petrol as it'd cost him a lot more in fuel, however DPFs are a massive pain in the arse for him.
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