£490 road tax, does it put you off?
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I can't believe people make a buying decision on how much road fund license is. I didn't think that people were that stupid, obviously the Government did. They were right, I'm wrong.
RFL in the UK is still incredibly cheap but I guess it's the tax on fuel which keeps it that way.
As a true PHer though, the view must be that the fewer cars on the road the better for us but as has been pointed out, the masses need their transport so we just end up with Eco s
t boxes with morons treating their cars as white goods (which is what many cars have become) contaminating the road with their presence.
We have some balance in that classic cars get free RFL. I feel that should be extended to every exotic car as the owner has already paid enough to give us the pleasure of seeing them out on the road.
It should be the st boxes that get the £2k/ year RFL.
You should also pay more if you haven't got a garage or at least park off road. Who the hell thinks it's a good idea to allow people to own a car when they can't even afford a house with a garage.
I realise that's impractical so maybe have an overnight parking tax that is payable if you don't have access to garage parking most of the time.
RFL in the UK is still incredibly cheap but I guess it's the tax on fuel which keeps it that way.
As a true PHer though, the view must be that the fewer cars on the road the better for us but as has been pointed out, the masses need their transport so we just end up with Eco s
t boxes with morons treating their cars as white goods (which is what many cars have become) contaminating the road with their presence. We have some balance in that classic cars get free RFL. I feel that should be extended to every exotic car as the owner has already paid enough to give us the pleasure of seeing them out on the road.
It should be the s
t boxes that get the £2k/ year RFL. You should also pay more if you haven't got a garage or at least park off road. Who the hell thinks it's a good idea to allow people to own a car when they can't even afford a house with a garage.
I realise that's impractical so maybe have an overnight parking tax that is payable if you don't have access to garage parking most of the time.
I pay this much, however it's one of the reasons the car was cheaper to buy in the first place so I've already saved money, offsetting the extra road tax cost.
What makes me laugh, is many people spending thousands extra on a new car (in a lower road tax bracket) just to save £200 per year... There seem to be a few on here too. You spend £2k extra on a similar, maybe newer, car to save £200 per year - that will take TEN years until you start saving money.
What makes me laugh, is many people spending thousands extra on a new car (in a lower road tax bracket) just to save £200 per year... There seem to be a few on here too. You spend £2k extra on a similar, maybe newer, car to save £200 per year - that will take TEN years until you start saving money.
It's ironic in a way. If I used my car every day, I would feel I was getting better value from £490 of VED. But since it gets used so rarely, the last thing I need is another stupid annual fixed cost to go with insurance, depreciation MOT and servicing.
So if my car had high CO2 rating per km, I'd pay more tax and therefore be tempted to try and use it more.... creating more CO2 in the process.
So if my car had high CO2 rating per km, I'd pay more tax and therefore be tempted to try and use it more.... creating more CO2 in the process.
Pistom said:
I can't believe people make a buying decision on how much road fund license is. I didn't think that people were that stupid, obviously the Government did. They were right, I'm wrong.
RFL in the UK is still incredibly cheap but I guess it's the tax on fuel which keeps it that way.
As a true PHer though, the view must be that the fewer cars on the road the better for us but as has been pointed out, the masses need their transport so we just end up with Eco st boxes with morons treating their cars as white goods (which is what many cars have become) contaminating the road with their presence.
We have some balance in that classic cars get free RFL. I feel that should be extended to every exotic car as the owner has already paid enough to give us the pleasure of seeing them out on the road.
It should be the st boxes that get the £2k/ year RFL.
You should also pay more if you haven't got a garage or at least park off road. Who the hell thinks it's a good idea to allow people to own a car when they can't even afford a house with a garage.
I realise that's impractical so maybe have an overnight parking tax that is payable if you don't have access to garage parking most of the time.
I'm pretty sure you're trolling but seriously, £490 is a lot of money for most people (PHers excepted).RFL in the UK is still incredibly cheap but I guess it's the tax on fuel which keeps it that way.
As a true PHer though, the view must be that the fewer cars on the road the better for us but as has been pointed out, the masses need their transport so we just end up with Eco s
t boxes with morons treating their cars as white goods (which is what many cars have become) contaminating the road with their presence. We have some balance in that classic cars get free RFL. I feel that should be extended to every exotic car as the owner has already paid enough to give us the pleasure of seeing them out on the road.
It should be the s
t boxes that get the £2k/ year RFL. You should also pay more if you haven't got a garage or at least park off road. Who the hell thinks it's a good idea to allow people to own a car when they can't even afford a house with a garage.
I realise that's impractical so maybe have an overnight parking tax that is payable if you don't have access to garage parking most of the time.
Pistom said:
I can't believe people make a buying decision on how much road fund license is. I didn't think that people were that stupid, obviously the Government did. They were right, I'm wrong.
RFL in the UK is still incredibly cheap but I guess it's the tax on fuel which keeps it that way.
As a true PHer though, the view must be that the fewer cars on the road the better for us but as has been pointed out, the masses need their transport so we just end up with Eco st boxes with morons treating their cars as white goods (which is what many cars have become) contaminating the road with their presence.
We have some balance in that classic cars get free RFL. I feel that should be extended to every exotic car as the owner has already paid enough to give us the pleasure of seeing them out on the road.
It should be the st boxes that get the £2k/ year RFL.
You should also pay more if you haven't got a garage or at least park off road. Who the hell thinks it's a good idea to allow people to own a car when they can't even afford a house with a garage.
I realise that's impractical so maybe have an overnight parking tax that is payable if you don't have access to garage parking most of the time.
I'd vote for you LOL!!RFL in the UK is still incredibly cheap but I guess it's the tax on fuel which keeps it that way.
As a true PHer though, the view must be that the fewer cars on the road the better for us but as has been pointed out, the masses need their transport so we just end up with Eco s
t boxes with morons treating their cars as white goods (which is what many cars have become) contaminating the road with their presence. We have some balance in that classic cars get free RFL. I feel that should be extended to every exotic car as the owner has already paid enough to give us the pleasure of seeing them out on the road.
It should be the s
t boxes that get the £2k/ year RFL. You should also pay more if you haven't got a garage or at least park off road. Who the hell thinks it's a good idea to allow people to own a car when they can't even afford a house with a garage.
I realise that's impractical so maybe have an overnight parking tax that is payable if you don't have access to garage parking most of the time.
supersingle said:
I'm pretty sure you're trolling but seriously, £490 is a lot of money for most people (PHers excepted).
Partly trolling but only to make the point that whilst £490 is a lot of money for some people, nobody has a right to luxury motoring and in the overall scale of things, for the level of car that attracts £490 RFL or VED or whatever people tax it is called these days, it's still a lot less than honest decent folk are forced to pay elsewhere. It is about what many pay for car insurance or a one off not cheap repair.
The point I'm trying to make is that it's not really a big deal.
The points about high end cars being free was a serious one. I've got loads of classics that many people enjoy seeing on the road. If I had to fork out nearly £500 to put them there, they would stay in their nice heated storage for me to salivate over in private. As it is, I use them as intended, let others use them and even the odd charity has benefited from them.
WolfAir said:
Personally I wouldn't mind paying £490 or however much road tax for a car I love and love to drive. What annoys me is the constant £5 increase I have been getting every year since I bought my car.
what does get me is that when they started the new tax bands, they back dated it giving some no choice.
DuraAce said:
It's relative to the value of the car though isn't it?
On a 50k car its not really an issue but if you can only afford 1/2k for a car then the vast majority of the public would avoid a car that cost £490 in road tax.
Although I agree with that, often a car almost the same could be £3k if it incurred tax £200 less so bargains can be found , it could take 5 years of driving to offset the £1k extra the car cost in the first place.On a 50k car its not really an issue but if you can only afford 1/2k for a car then the vast majority of the public would avoid a car that cost £490 in road tax.
For me it is more of a principle thing. You can potentially pay £490.00 just to park a car on your driveway and not even use it. On a car approaching 10 years old that may have only cost a couple of grand this can hurt. At that level, I would prefer a car slightly older, with similar performance and half the tax.
The annoying thing ultimately is that it is an unfair tax on the motorist. Revenue raised from RFL and fuel duty is said to be around 10 times what they actually spend on the roads. That is theft, quite simply, by the government. If I charged you £50 for a three course meal and then only served up a small starter would you leave the restaraunt quietly or would you want a refund?
I appreciate the government need to raise a certain amount of money to pay for benefits, healthcare holidays and to send aid to India but it is an unfair tax. It is subsidised more heavily by people who have cars with higher RFL costs and who do more miles/drive less fuel effecient vehicles. So the 90% that is taken from the motorist and not spent on the roads means the motorist contributes proportionately more to fund broken Britain than the non motorist. All this talk about toll roads etc, well you wouldn't mind but we have already paid for our roads to be perfect 10 times over!
So, in the past I used to think of it as a nice 2 finger salute paying higher rate tax on a car, now, I prefer not to give them more than I have to, so yes, I would let it affect a buying decision on certain cars.
The annoying thing ultimately is that it is an unfair tax on the motorist. Revenue raised from RFL and fuel duty is said to be around 10 times what they actually spend on the roads. That is theft, quite simply, by the government. If I charged you £50 for a three course meal and then only served up a small starter would you leave the restaraunt quietly or would you want a refund?
I appreciate the government need to raise a certain amount of money to pay for benefits, healthcare holidays and to send aid to India but it is an unfair tax. It is subsidised more heavily by people who have cars with higher RFL costs and who do more miles/drive less fuel effecient vehicles. So the 90% that is taken from the motorist and not spent on the roads means the motorist contributes proportionately more to fund broken Britain than the non motorist. All this talk about toll roads etc, well you wouldn't mind but we have already paid for our roads to be perfect 10 times over!
So, in the past I used to think of it as a nice 2 finger salute paying higher rate tax on a car, now, I prefer not to give them more than I have to, so yes, I would let it affect a buying decision on certain cars.
crostonian said:
What annoys me the most is that there are 11 bands of duty from £0 to £280 with gradual increases across the range and then it takes an almighty jump for one band of at least £195.
This jump is the most irritating thing for me too, at least if there was a gradually increasing scale it would not make it so hard to swallow. The increase between a 2005 and 2006 registration year of the same car can be more than it would cost me to insure it.
I don't consider the tax band when buying a new car. It's such an insignificant part of the cost.
Car tax should be ring-fenced to do what it was intended... ROADS (etc.)
I would even feel happy to pay more if I knew that was where it was going. Sadly it isn't. It's stealth tax pure and simple.
Car tax should be ring-fenced to do what it was intended... ROADS (etc.)
I would even feel happy to pay more if I knew that was where it was going. Sadly it isn't. It's stealth tax pure and simple.
I does not and will Not
we have
SLK in £475 group
Jag in £490 group
and a Volvo at £260
over a £1000 a year on tax
Ins is cheap tho at £700 for all three approx
the tax is a farce
should be cancelled and added to Fuel Duty
then the more you use the facilities the More you pay.
we have
SLK in £475 group
Jag in £490 group
and a Volvo at £260
over a £1000 a year on tax
Ins is cheap tho at £700 for all three approx
the tax is a farce
should be cancelled and added to Fuel Duty
then the more you use the facilities the More you pay.
Edited by V400TC on Saturday 21st December 15:08
Pistom said:
I can't believe people make a buying decision on how much road fund license is. I didn't think that people were that stupid, obviously the Government did. They were right, I'm wrong.
RFL in the UK is still incredibly cheap but I guess it's the tax on fuel which keeps it that way.
As a true PHer though, the view must be that the fewer cars on the road the better for us but as has been pointed out, the masses need their transport so we just end up with Eco st boxes with morons treating their cars as white goods (which is what many cars have become) contaminating the road with their presence.
We have some balance in that classic cars get free RFL. I feel that should be extended to every exotic car as the owner has already paid enough to give us the pleasure of seeing them out on the road.
It should be the st boxes that get the £2k/ year RFL.
You should also pay more if you haven't got a garage or at least park off road. Who the hell thinks it's a good idea to allow people to own a car when they can't even afford a house with a garage.
I realise that's impractical so maybe have an overnight parking tax that is payable if you don't have access to garage parking most of the time.
Couldn't agree more. RFL in the UK is still incredibly cheap but I guess it's the tax on fuel which keeps it that way.
As a true PHer though, the view must be that the fewer cars on the road the better for us but as has been pointed out, the masses need their transport so we just end up with Eco s
t boxes with morons treating their cars as white goods (which is what many cars have become) contaminating the road with their presence. We have some balance in that classic cars get free RFL. I feel that should be extended to every exotic car as the owner has already paid enough to give us the pleasure of seeing them out on the road.
It should be the s
t boxes that get the £2k/ year RFL. You should also pay more if you haven't got a garage or at least park off road. Who the hell thinks it's a good idea to allow people to own a car when they can't even afford a house with a garage.
I realise that's impractical so maybe have an overnight parking tax that is payable if you don't have access to garage parking most of the time.
Pistom said:
You should also pay more if you haven't got a garage or at least park off road. Who the hell thinks it's a good idea to allow people to own a car when they can't even afford a house with a garage.
I realise that's impractical so maybe have an overnight parking tax that is payable if you don't have access to garage parking most of the time.
Wish they taxed people for talking bI realise that's impractical so maybe have an overnight parking tax that is payable if you don't have access to garage parking most of the time.
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