Is everyone dishonest now except me?
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So just to clarify... you were in the right hand lane at traffic lights, noticed the left hand lane was free so pulled across and then stopped waiting for the lights to change. It was at this point the car then went into the back of you?
If so it is simple... you were stopped in traffic and were not reversing therefore she drove into the back of you. It is her fault completely, doesnt matter what she says you were stopped in queing traffic that was going forward and she has damage to the front bumper you have damage to the rear. These indicators clearly point out she drove into you and did not leave enough space to stop - simple.
Dont worry about it, sounds like it all get sorted ok.
If so it is simple... you were stopped in traffic and were not reversing therefore she drove into the back of you. It is her fault completely, doesnt matter what she says you were stopped in queing traffic that was going forward and she has damage to the front bumper you have damage to the rear. These indicators clearly point out she drove into you and did not leave enough space to stop - simple.
Dont worry about it, sounds like it all get sorted ok.
SBN said:
So just to clarify... you were in the right hand lane at traffic lights, noticed the left hand lane was free so pulled across and then stopped waiting for the lights to change. It was at this point the car then went into the back of you?
If so it is simple... you were stopped in traffic and were not reversing therefore she drove into the back of you. It is her fault completely, doesnt matter what she says you were stopped in queing traffic that was going forward and she has damage to the front bumper you have damage to the rear. These indicators clearly point out she drove into you and did not leave enough space to stop - simple.
Dont worry about it, sounds like it all get sorted ok.
+1If so it is simple... you were stopped in traffic and were not reversing therefore she drove into the back of you. It is her fault completely, doesnt matter what she says you were stopped in queing traffic that was going forward and she has damage to the front bumper you have damage to the rear. These indicators clearly point out she drove into you and did not leave enough space to stop - simple.
Dont worry about it, sounds like it all get sorted ok.
Captain Muppet said:
Art0ir said:
goldblum said:
Taita said:
I've just fitted a DashCam to prevent this gayness.
Got one on the parcel shelf have you?
SBN said:
So just to clarify... you were in the right hand lane at traffic lights, noticed the left hand lane was free so pulled across and then stopped waiting for the lights to change. It was at this point the car then went into the back of you?
If so it is simple... you were stopped in traffic and were not reversing therefore she drove into the back of you. It is her fault completely, doesnt matter what she says you were stopped in queing traffic that was going forward and she has damage to the front bumper you have damage to the rear. These indicators clearly point out she drove into you and did not leave enough space to stop - simple.
Dont worry about it, sounds like it all get sorted ok.
Not quite. I was in the right hand lane, going straight on. I did not change lane at all. The other person decided to try to cut across to the empty left hand lane as she came up behind me ( I assume) and as she did this she clipped my passenger side rear with her drivers side front. Either way, I hope you are right about it all working out OK. I have protected no claims etc, but the sort of casual dishonesty that she is displaying just upsets me for some reason. Guess I just better MTFU and get on with it! If so it is simple... you were stopped in traffic and were not reversing therefore she drove into the back of you. It is her fault completely, doesnt matter what she says you were stopped in queing traffic that was going forward and she has damage to the front bumper you have damage to the rear. These indicators clearly point out she drove into you and did not leave enough space to stop - simple.
Dont worry about it, sounds like it all get sorted ok.
^^^ Except that the OP was still in the right hand lane at the time of being hit, but then I read what he posted 
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Good luck OP, I had someone do something similar to me. I stopped and he thought I was going to jump the lights, and to jump them himself. I stopped he hit me. Took ages to sort out as he was going for full 100% blame on my part, and my solicitor dealing with it was useless. Queue new solicitor and sorted in 6 months, 100% my way.
What did I learn? Insurance appointed solicitors try and keep both insurance companies happy so that they may still get the business. Self appointed ones don't care about the insurance companies and want what is best for you, and their bank balance.
Oh, and I didn't have any witnesses.
.Good luck OP, I had someone do something similar to me. I stopped and he thought I was going to jump the lights, and to jump them himself. I stopped he hit me. Took ages to sort out as he was going for full 100% blame on my part, and my solicitor dealing with it was useless. Queue new solicitor and sorted in 6 months, 100% my way.
What did I learn? Insurance appointed solicitors try and keep both insurance companies happy so that they may still get the business. Self appointed ones don't care about the insurance companies and want what is best for you, and their bank balance.
Oh, and I didn't have any witnesses.
Terminator X said:
Without an independent witness it will be settled 50/50 as it's your word vs hers, as maddening as that is. I learnt the hard way always, always grab an independent witness before everyone leaves the scene.
TX.
I agree its best to get a witness, but that was not possible as the lady decided to try to drive off without stopping. I had to catch her and tell her to pull over a hundred yards or so up the road. By then, any witnesses were gone! TX.
The minicab I was in got hit from behind the other night. We had been stationary at lights for at least 20 secs so I have no idea what the idiot behind was playing at?
Young bloke, newish Toyota, claimed his brakes had failed and that he had skidded for some way. So the brakes didn't fail then you were just driving like t
t.
Sorry OP, nothing useful to add but similar has happened to me and it is effing frustrating. Unfortunately there are a lot of mentalists around.
I got knocked off my bike by a car and at first the guy said it wasn't him then I got paperwork telling me that I was being sued for the damage to his car. Luckily I had witnesses as I was unconcious, after being hit, so I got meself a proper solicitor and it took 2 years but I got the cost of the bike back, wages lost through being off work for a couple of months, and a tiny amount for the pain and injuries.
Good luck.
Young bloke, newish Toyota, claimed his brakes had failed and that he had skidded for some way. So the brakes didn't fail then you were just driving like t
t.Sorry OP, nothing useful to add but similar has happened to me and it is effing frustrating. Unfortunately there are a lot of mentalists around.
I got knocked off my bike by a car and at first the guy said it wasn't him then I got paperwork telling me that I was being sued for the damage to his car. Luckily I had witnesses as I was unconcious, after being hit, so I got meself a proper solicitor and it took 2 years but I got the cost of the bike back, wages lost through being off work for a couple of months, and a tiny amount for the pain and injuries.
Good luck.
andymadmak said:
I agree its best to get a witness, but that was not possible as the lady decided to try to drive off without stopping. I had to catch her and tell her to pull over a hundred yards or so up the road. By then, any witnesses were gone!
Unfortunately I have to agree with TX.Had something kind of similar. No witnesses. They said I reversed into them!
50/50
Liars, basterds.
When I was young, I had two minor accidents that were my fault and I admitted both, despite no witnesses. I was always raised to be honest and that was what you did.
I had a bad year in 2010 and had a collision in February and, later in the year, backed into no less than 2 static cars (new Mondeo with no rear vision). In one of the latter, I don't think the bloke was insured as I heard no more. The other was a Fire Service car despite a full admission of liability, they inexlicably failed to claim.
However, the first RTC was on a twin carriageway roundabout where I navigated it, on the outside and the other party navigated on the inside. Without indication, she suddenly cut across into my lane and, because a driver on the slip road also didn't expect her to do that, he started to pull out, she slammed on the anchors, having taken away my braking distance and I had to swerve and hit the back quarter of her car.
To be fair, I was expecting a 50/50 setttlement - even though she was at fault - as I had gone into the back of her but I suspected whining would have no effect and, on parting, she intimated a private repair of about £250 would have her Corsa sorted. I had a dented wing and smashed lamp.
Cue radio silence and suddenly her car was a write-off, she and her passenger both had serious whiplash and a fictitious 3rd occupant (her crooked mother) had also somehow sustained whiplash, despite not being there. I was incensed. I presssed the insurance company to defend it and I am very pleased to say that they did and that, after a long series of hire cars, the silly dishonest bint bankrupted herself and the receiver abandoned any claim.
So sometimes, justice does prevail and had she not put in her bogus whiplash claim, I might even have acceeded to the usual 50:50 settelement but crooks REALLY bug me.
I had a bad year in 2010 and had a collision in February and, later in the year, backed into no less than 2 static cars (new Mondeo with no rear vision). In one of the latter, I don't think the bloke was insured as I heard no more. The other was a Fire Service car despite a full admission of liability, they inexlicably failed to claim.
However, the first RTC was on a twin carriageway roundabout where I navigated it, on the outside and the other party navigated on the inside. Without indication, she suddenly cut across into my lane and, because a driver on the slip road also didn't expect her to do that, he started to pull out, she slammed on the anchors, having taken away my braking distance and I had to swerve and hit the back quarter of her car.
To be fair, I was expecting a 50/50 setttlement - even though she was at fault - as I had gone into the back of her but I suspected whining would have no effect and, on parting, she intimated a private repair of about £250 would have her Corsa sorted. I had a dented wing and smashed lamp.
Cue radio silence and suddenly her car was a write-off, she and her passenger both had serious whiplash and a fictitious 3rd occupant (her crooked mother) had also somehow sustained whiplash, despite not being there. I was incensed. I presssed the insurance company to defend it and I am very pleased to say that they did and that, after a long series of hire cars, the silly dishonest bint bankrupted herself and the receiver abandoned any claim.
So sometimes, justice does prevail and had she not put in her bogus whiplash claim, I might even have acceeded to the usual 50:50 settelement but crooks REALLY bug me.
LuS1fer said:
Cue radio silence and suddenly her car was a write-off, she and her passenger both had serious whiplash and a fictitious 3rd occupant (her crooked mother) had also somehow sustained whiplash, despite not being there. I was incensed. I presssed the insurance company to defend it and I am very pleased to say that they did and that, after a long series of hire cars, the silly dishonest bint bankrupted herself and the receiver abandoned any claim.
So sometimes, justice does prevail and had she not put in her bogus whiplash claim, I might even have acceeded to the usual 50:50 settelement but crooks REALLY bug me.
So sometimes, justice does prevail and had she not put in her bogus whiplash claim, I might even have acceeded to the usual 50:50 settelement but crooks REALLY bug me.
LuS1fer said:
Cue radio silence and suddenly her car was a write-off, she and her passenger both had serious whiplash and a fictitious 3rd occupant (her crooked mother) had also somehow sustained whiplash, despite not being there. I was incensed. I presssed the insurance company to defend it and I am very pleased to say that they did and that, after a long series of hire cars, the silly dishonest bint bankrupted herself and the receiver abandoned any claim.
So sometimes, justice does prevail and had she not put in her bogus whiplash claim, I might even have acceeded to the usual 50:50 settelement but crooks REALLY bug me.
Crikey. Good for you for fighting! Interestingly the lady at the insurance company who took my call and all the details was the same lady who took the call from the other party that hit me! (what are the odds of that happening eh?) She also asked me whether there were any other passengers in either car, and I was able to confirm that there were not. I had actually checked the other party's car to see if there was anyone else sitting inside. The insurance lady seemed a little surprised by my assertion that no one else was there. ……..So sometimes, justice does prevail and had she not put in her bogus whiplash claim, I might even have acceeded to the usual 50:50 settelement but crooks REALLY bug me.
I had something similar where a bloke took the wife out on a roundabout by being in the wrong lane. Subsequently changed his story and tried to make out she was in the wrong lane. The worse thing was our insurance was pushing for 50:50 - my guess is it is cheaper for them to go halves than try and fight something. I refused point blank and hounded them constantly with photos of the road lay out etc - I don't think they can do 50:50 unless you agree but I might be wrong. Anyway, eventually the other party dropped their claim and we succeeded but only by being a real pain in the proverbial. So OP, don't give up!!
Good luck, I hope it gets sorted. To answer your original question, honesty is now a rare thing to find unfortunately.
Whenever I'm involved in an accident (unfortunately I've been in a few) I always phone my insurance company up at the side of the road. The other party can then give their details directly to my insurance company. It also catches them before they've had a chance to think about whats happened so they tell the truth. Being the insurance company they record everything.
Whenever I'm involved in an accident (unfortunately I've been in a few) I always phone my insurance company up at the side of the road. The other party can then give their details directly to my insurance company. It also catches them before they've had a chance to think about whats happened so they tell the truth. Being the insurance company they record everything.
Similar experience here. Like you, I have always been honest if at fault but it rarely if ever works the other way. Direct line were not interested in defending my claim against a total liar but with my word against his, he just walked. It took a year to get over thoughts of paint stripper in a fairly liquid bottle doing a discrete drive by his address. My blood still boils. What ever happened to a person's word? Does it no longer count for anything? Or perhaps this age has no place for such naievity.
Anyway, Santa has brought me a tiny dash cam from China to help with future issues should/when the arise.
If that works (it's only a cheapo) I will add it to wife's car etc.
Anyway, Santa has brought me a tiny dash cam from China to help with future issues should/when the arise.
If that works (it's only a cheapo) I will add it to wife's car etc.
andymadmak said:
Terminator X said:
Without an independent witness it will be settled 50/50 as it's your word vs hers, as maddening as that is. I learnt the hard way always, always grab an independent witness before everyone leaves the scene.
TX.
I agree its best to get a witness, but that was not possible as the lady decided to try to drive off without stopping. I had to catch her and tell her to pull over a hundred yards or so up the road. By then, any witnesses were gone! TX.
TX.
Got rear ended back in July in my old Fiesta. I was stationary at traffic lights, car in front was stationary. I spot a bint in an ibiza closing on me fairly quick, thinking "shes not gonna stop" pressed my brakes in prep just in time to here the bang and be shunted forward. Good job i covered the brakes or Id have hit the car in front!
Shouted out the window to pull into the sainsburys the junction is for where she prompty got out and everything was calm. Then she pulled out a classic:
"Why didnt you go?" To which I replied that the lights were still red, which she disagreed with. Regardless why would I go anywhere when the car in front didnt move off.
Reported it straight away and it took 4 days for her to admit liability but she did in the end. Was expecting a bit of a battle though!
She even had the cheek to say "my cars come off worse". Her car had a slightly kinked bonnet and a broken headlamp. The only thing that was salvaged from the mine was the spoiler. It needed boot, bumper, impact bar, rear panel, chassis leg straightening and the rear quarter pulling out!
Shouted out the window to pull into the sainsburys the junction is for where she prompty got out and everything was calm. Then she pulled out a classic:
"Why didnt you go?" To which I replied that the lights were still red, which she disagreed with. Regardless why would I go anywhere when the car in front didnt move off.
Reported it straight away and it took 4 days for her to admit liability but she did in the end. Was expecting a bit of a battle though!
She even had the cheek to say "my cars come off worse". Her car had a slightly kinked bonnet and a broken headlamp. The only thing that was salvaged from the mine was the spoiler. It needed boot, bumper, impact bar, rear panel, chassis leg straightening and the rear quarter pulling out!
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