Winter tyres vol 2
Discussion
Hideaway said:
expect significantly increased wear.
With her doing around 5k a year if that, being concerned about tyre wear seems a little silly. If we get two winters and two summers out of them I will be quite happy. For what is worth, I have driven the winter shod combo quite hard (sorry dad) in the baking heat we had last year and it felt fine, didn't fall off the road nor set on fire.
HustleRussell said:
Generally speaking, you need to be travelling at speeds of 40-50mph+ to aquaplane. I wouldn't do 50mph through a flash flood. If you are driving to sight lines, there should be zero chance of suddenly encountering standing water at vaguely aqua-planey speeds.
I have no doubt all seasons/winters provide a greater margin of safety though.
Aquaplaning can happen from 35mph if the conditions are bad enough. I did think you might bring up the point about looking ahead, but the thing about a sudden deluge (which I have encountered several times in just the last few weeks) is that your visibility can be suddenly reduced to just in front of your bonnet, so there's going to be a period of re-adjusting your speed to match the condition when you could be in the danger zone.I have no doubt all seasons/winters provide a greater margin of safety though.
In any case, we can all agree I hope, that different types of tyre are better when used in the conditions they are designed for. If those of you who run summers in all conditions get along fine then stick with it. It's not my job to convince you there might be a better way. But if I ever come across one of you blocking the Reigate slip road on the M25 in your BMW or Mercedes after a few inches of snow have fallen, you won't get much sympathy from me. I was stuck there in a 6 hour jam in 2010...
FurtiveFreddy said:
In any case, we can all agree I hope, that different types of tyre are better when used in the conditions they are designed for. If those of you who run summers in all conditions get along fine then stick with it. It's not my job to convince you there might be a better way. But if I ever come across one of you blocking the Reigate slip road on the M25 in your BMW or Mercedes after a few inches of snow have fallen, you won't get much sympathy from me. I was stuck there in a 6 hour jam in 2010...
Agreed -For me it's not normally the tyre that causes the problems, it's the rest of the muppets round you 
Winters allow me to go at 6 in the morning, regardless of how much snow/ice there is, down my 1:6 hill. The last guy in his 2.5t 4x4 on summers that tried that, shoved a parked car and himself through a stone wall!
Also agree.
Last year took to the snow covered back streets to avoid the muppets (who can't drive in snow but will insist on having a go) and getting stuck or sliding around. The main routes were clogged but the back streets were relatively clear. That was 4WD on Summers so expect this year to be easier.
Last year took to the snow covered back streets to avoid the muppets (who can't drive in snow but will insist on having a go) and getting stuck or sliding around. The main routes were clogged but the back streets were relatively clear. That was 4WD on Summers so expect this year to be easier.
Shaw Tarse said:
The old one has passed 10,000 http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Time for a new tread.
Well after the 10000 posts I'm still firmly in the 98% who cannot see the point camp.Time for a new tread.
I doubt the next 10000 posts will convince me !
Sold the Jeep with its Nankang all seasons and bought a VW Fox shopping trolly...
Now the interesting thing is not only did it came with the optional alloys, 195 55 15 summers, but also the original steelies, 185 60 14, again with summers.
So here's hoping I can get through a Scottish winter with 2WD and skinny tyres
Now the interesting thing is not only did it came with the optional alloys, 195 55 15 summers, but also the original steelies, 185 60 14, again with summers.
So here's hoping I can get through a Scottish winter with 2WD and skinny tyres
Sleepers said:
Sold the Jeep with its Nankang all seasons and bought a VW Fox shopping trolly...
Now the interesting thing is not only did it came with the optional alloys, 195 55 15 summers, but also the original steelies, 185 60 14, again with summers.
So here's hoping I can get through a Scottish winter with 2WD and skinny tyres
185 isn't that skinny for something as light as a VW Fox. Surely the logical thing would be to put winters on the steel wheels. Now the interesting thing is not only did it came with the optional alloys, 195 55 15 summers, but also the original steelies, 185 60 14, again with summers.
So here's hoping I can get through a Scottish winter with 2WD and skinny tyres
andyps said:
Sleepers said:
Sold the Jeep with its Nankang all seasons and bought a VW Fox shopping trolly...
Now the interesting thing is not only did it came with the optional alloys, 195 55 15 summers, but also the original steelies, 185 60 14, again with summers.
So here's hoping I can get through a Scottish winter with 2WD and skinny tyres
185 isn't that skinny for something as light as a VW Fox. Surely the logical thing would be to put winters on the steel wheels. Now the interesting thing is not only did it came with the optional alloys, 195 55 15 summers, but also the original steelies, 185 60 14, again with summers.
So here's hoping I can get through a Scottish winter with 2WD and skinny tyres
Cheers
I bought my Subaru with winter tyres on, and was hoping to see what all the fuss is about. This year though I have only had to drive in sub 2 degree weather twice, and all I have really noticed are the tyres are squidgy, bad in heavy rain and squeel easily. I don't' think I will be bothering again as to me its quite a compromise for little gain.
I do love quite far south though and this winter has been fairly mild, no doubt they would be good in Scotland and the North
I do love quite far south though and this winter has been fairly mild, no doubt they would be good in Scotland and the North
FurtiveFreddy said:
In any case, we can all agree I hope, that different types of tyre are better when used in the conditions they are designed for. If those of you who run summers in all conditions get along fine then stick with it. It's not my job to convince you there might be a better way. But if I ever come across one of you blocking the Reigate slip road on the M25 in your BMW or Mercedes after a few inches of snow have fallen, you won't get much sympathy from me. I was stuck there in a 6 hour jam in 2010...
This is why I'm on winter tyres now. I've now got my first rear drive daily and it happens to be an auto Mercedes. I've heard they can be a nightmare in the snow so as a precaution I've put Vredestein Wintrac Extremes on because if I can't get to work at 4:30am then I won't get paid.So far I've noticed that the resistance to auqaplaning is excellent compared to my summer Continetal Sport Contact 5s but they're a bit noisier on dual carriageways/motorways. Other than that the winter tyres feel exactly the same as the summers.
I'm looking forward to some snow now.
Happy New Year Humans
I drove down the M40 last night and saw an early 996 facing the wrong way, hazards flashing on the grass beyond the hard shoulder. It didn't look damaged. I then saw another car which I couldn't identify as it was surrounded by police [or those fake police] and tow trucks. It was also facing the wrong way and looked like it had made contact with something other than the road.
Can we discus tyre pressures please.
Is everyone running manufacturer recommended pressures or slightly less?
I found the fitter had put mine on 2 bar but the recommended pressure is 2.6 rear and 2.4 front. So I've adjusted mine to the recommended spec. Now my x karting know it all guru friend is telling me that the simple rule is more pressure = less grip. It cant be that simple can it?
I drove down the M40 last night and saw an early 996 facing the wrong way, hazards flashing on the grass beyond the hard shoulder. It didn't look damaged. I then saw another car which I couldn't identify as it was surrounded by police [or those fake police] and tow trucks. It was also facing the wrong way and looked like it had made contact with something other than the road.
Can we discus tyre pressures please.
Is everyone running manufacturer recommended pressures or slightly less?
I found the fitter had put mine on 2 bar but the recommended pressure is 2.6 rear and 2.4 front. So I've adjusted mine to the recommended spec. Now my x karting know it all guru friend is telling me that the simple rule is more pressure = less grip. It cant be that simple can it?
ATM said:
Happy New Year Humans
I drove down the M40 last night and saw an early 996 facing the wrong way, hazards flashing on the grass beyond the hard shoulder. It didn't look damaged. I then saw another car which I couldn't identify as it was surrounded by police [or those fake police] and tow trucks. It was also facing the wrong way and looked like it had made contact with something other than the road.
Can we discus tyre pressures please.
Is everyone running manufacturer recommended pressures or slightly less?
I found the fitter had put mine on 2 bar but the recommended pressure is 2.6 rear and 2.4 front. So I've adjusted mine to the recommended spec. Now my x karting know it all guru friend is telling me that the simple rule is more pressure = less grip. It cant be that simple can it?
"More pressure = Less grip" as a general rule is misleading, bordering on bI drove down the M40 last night and saw an early 996 facing the wrong way, hazards flashing on the grass beyond the hard shoulder. It didn't look damaged. I then saw another car which I couldn't identify as it was surrounded by police [or those fake police] and tow trucks. It was also facing the wrong way and looked like it had made contact with something other than the road.
Can we discus tyre pressures please.
Is everyone running manufacturer recommended pressures or slightly less?
I found the fitter had put mine on 2 bar but the recommended pressure is 2.6 rear and 2.4 front. So I've adjusted mine to the recommended spec. Now my x karting know it all guru friend is telling me that the simple rule is more pressure = less grip. It cant be that simple can it?
ks.It depends on vehicle, tyres, conditions. In motor racing, in wet conditions tyres are often run at a higher pressure than in the dry. If you were offroading in mud or sand, you might want to lower your pressures to give you more traction.
If you were to put 15psi over recommended pressure in a normal road tyre on a road car and drove it in the dry, you might find the limit of adhesion is reached at a lower speed, but you also might find the same if you ran them 15psi under pressure because the tyre is moving more on the rim.
Having said all that, I initially put the BMW recommended pressures in the Nokian A3s I am running and found it they were too high. Dropped them 3-5psi and I've found a good balance. You need to play around a bit with pressures and find the what's right for you and your particular car/tyre combo.
Don't forget to check your pressures with the tyre at normal operating temperature. Even in cold conditions, the tyre will warm up a bit during use.
Jimboka said:
Well after the 10000 posts I'm still firmly in the 98% who cannot see the point camp.
I doubt the next 10000 posts will convince me !
And yet you're still here?I doubt the next 10000 posts will convince me !
Come out of the closet - you've secretly got photo's of TS850's on your phone hidden away where your missus won't see them, haven't you?
FurtiveFreddy said:
ATM said:
Happy New Year Humans
I drove down the M40 last night and saw an early 996 facing the wrong way, hazards flashing on the grass beyond the hard shoulder. It didn't look damaged. I then saw another car which I couldn't identify as it was surrounded by police [or those fake police] and tow trucks. It was also facing the wrong way and looked like it had made contact with something other than the road.
Can we discus tyre pressures please.
Is everyone running manufacturer recommended pressures or slightly less?
I found the fitter had put mine on 2 bar but the recommended pressure is 2.6 rear and 2.4 front. So I've adjusted mine to the recommended spec. Now my x karting know it all guru friend is telling me that the simple rule is more pressure = less grip. It cant be that simple can it?
"More pressure = Less grip" as a general rule is misleading, bordering on bI drove down the M40 last night and saw an early 996 facing the wrong way, hazards flashing on the grass beyond the hard shoulder. It didn't look damaged. I then saw another car which I couldn't identify as it was surrounded by police [or those fake police] and tow trucks. It was also facing the wrong way and looked like it had made contact with something other than the road.
Can we discus tyre pressures please.
Is everyone running manufacturer recommended pressures or slightly less?
I found the fitter had put mine on 2 bar but the recommended pressure is 2.6 rear and 2.4 front. So I've adjusted mine to the recommended spec. Now my x karting know it all guru friend is telling me that the simple rule is more pressure = less grip. It cant be that simple can it?
ks.It depends on vehicle, tyres, conditions. In motor racing, in wet conditions tyres are often run at a higher pressure than in the dry. If you were offroading in mud or sand, you might want to lower your pressures to give you more traction.
If you were to put 15psi over recommended pressure in a normal road tyre on a road car and drove it in the dry, you might find the limit of adhesion is reached at a lower speed, but you also might find the same if you ran them 15psi under pressure because the tyre is moving more on the rim.
Having said all that, I initially put the BMW recommended pressures in the Nokian A3s I am running and found it they were too high. Dropped them 3-5psi and I've found a good balance. You need to play around a bit with pressures and find the what's right for you and your particular car/tyre combo.
Don't forget to check your pressures with the tyre at normal operating temperature. Even in cold conditions, the tyre will warm up a bit during use.
Since I increased the pressures and then drove a long way down the motorway last night I noticed that I need to adjust the steering more regularly to stay on course. It may have been windy last night so I'll keep monitoring.
E46 330 touring. You will find with winter tyres they feel less precise on motorways. Less tramlining than low profiles but more 'floaty'. The taller tread blocks and different compounds give them a different feel which you can't necessarily dial out with pressure.
But it is worth making small adjustments (maybe 2psi at a time) to see what effect it has. A few psi can make a remarkable difference.
But it is worth making small adjustments (maybe 2psi at a time) to see what effect it has. A few psi can make a remarkable difference.
Jimboka said:
Well after the 10000 posts I'm still firmly in the 98% who cannot see the point camp.
I doubt the next 10000 posts will convince me !
Good for you. If you live somewhere that winters are justified then you'll benefit, but if not you won't. Personally I wouldn't be without them as I'm frequently leaving early morning for the mountains where the roads can be anywhere from +1c with wet freezing slush to full blown ice at -15c. Throw in a lack of grit on the roads, 1 in 3 hills, and infrequent traffic to help you out if you're stuck then they make perfect sense. If you live in central london and do the weekly drive to Waitrose then sure, you don't need them. I doubt the next 10000 posts will convince me !
Personally, I want to be able to get to where I want to go easily when the conditions are at their worst as that's usually when the mountain sports (climbing, skiing etc) are at their best. That's why I have an Impreza and not an M3!
fwiw I have no issues with anyone who decides they do not want or need winter or cold weather tyres.
On one condition.
If at some point they get stuck, or are inconvenienced by their inability to keep going or steer or stop adequately by that, then they should stfu and not whine about councils not gritting or somebody should do something. If they inconvenience or do worse to me, then watch out.
On one condition.
If at some point they get stuck, or are inconvenienced by their inability to keep going or steer or stop adequately by that, then they should stfu and not whine about councils not gritting or somebody should do something. If they inconvenience or do worse to me, then watch out.
sasha320 said:
I've done 12,000 miles on my Vredestain winter tyres since Nov 2012 and have 4mm of tread left on them. If they get me through to next winter (likely), that'll be 24,000 miles through 2 summers and 1 winter.
Clearly I'm not driving in a 'spirited' enough fashion...
2 Summers & 1 WinterClearly I'm not driving in a 'spirited' enough fashion...
Hi Guys and Gals
Thank you for all those who took time to reply on the 1st thread of this topic. Unfortunately i couldnt get to reply soon enough before it was closed and rolled into this one.
In the mean time, here is my reply from continental tech
Hello Sunil
The unladen tyre pressures are advised by the vehicle manufacturer so this will give you the best ride possible, some tyre manufacturers do advise a different reading compared to the vehicle manufacturer, this is a stance that we do not agree with, simply due to the fact that the vehicle manufacturer understands their product far better than any other third party.
I do not think adjusting your tyre pressures to recommended settings will effect your annual tyre mileage.
Regards
Bernard Medway
Technical Administrator
From:
To: <Administrator.Technical@conti.de>
Date: 31/12/2013 11:41
Subject: RE: Continental Wintercontact TS830p Pressures please
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Thankyou
I will lower them to normal unloaded pressures. Please do you think this shouldn’t affect wear as the vredsteins we have on the other car (VW Tiguan) suggest 3psi above normal
Thank you and best wishes for the new year
S
From: bernard.medway@conti.de [mailto:bernard.medway@conti.de] On Behalf Of Administrator.Technical@conti.de
Sent: 30 December 2013 1:47 PM
To: Patel, Sunil
Subject: RE: Continental Wintercontact TS830p Pressures please
Hello Sunil
Thank you for the further information,
With regards to your tyre pressures may I suggest lower them to the normal laden pressure, this may reduce the amount of tyre slippage received.
Regards
Bernard Medway
Technical Administrator
Thank you for all those who took time to reply on the 1st thread of this topic. Unfortunately i couldnt get to reply soon enough before it was closed and rolled into this one.
In the mean time, here is my reply from continental tech
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Hello Sunil
The unladen tyre pressures are advised by the vehicle manufacturer so this will give you the best ride possible, some tyre manufacturers do advise a different reading compared to the vehicle manufacturer, this is a stance that we do not agree with, simply due to the fact that the vehicle manufacturer understands their product far better than any other third party.
I do not think adjusting your tyre pressures to recommended settings will effect your annual tyre mileage.
Regards
Bernard Medway
Technical Administrator
From:
To: <Administrator.Technical@conti.de>
Date: 31/12/2013 11:41
Subject: RE: Continental Wintercontact TS830p Pressures please
____________________________________
Thankyou
I will lower them to normal unloaded pressures. Please do you think this shouldn’t affect wear as the vredsteins we have on the other car (VW Tiguan) suggest 3psi above normal
Thank you and best wishes for the new year
S
From: bernard.medway@conti.de [mailto:bernard.medway@conti.de] On Behalf Of Administrator.Technical@conti.de
Sent: 30 December 2013 1:47 PM
To: Patel, Sunil
Subject: RE: Continental Wintercontact TS830p Pressures please
Hello Sunil
Thank you for the further information,
With regards to your tyre pressures may I suggest lower them to the normal laden pressure, this may reduce the amount of tyre slippage received.
Regards
Bernard Medway
Technical Administrator
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