RE: Jaguar F-Type Coupe: Driven
Discussion
It is utterly gorgeous. Achingly so IMO.
What is Jag's build quality like these days? Will it be well screwed together and reliable? My perception is still influenced by the XJS my folks had but hopefully they are now up with the best. Though my perception is also that the best (Porsche, Mercedes) have also significantly declined since the early 90's. Again, influenced by my folks experience of their '98 E-class rusting from the inside out, along with dodgy electrics worthy of an Alfa.
What is Jag's build quality like these days? Will it be well screwed together and reliable? My perception is still influenced by the XJS my folks had but hopefully they are now up with the best. Though my perception is also that the best (Porsche, Mercedes) have also significantly declined since the early 90's. Again, influenced by my folks experience of their '98 E-class rusting from the inside out, along with dodgy electrics worthy of an Alfa.
ItsJustARide said:
It is utterly gorgeous. Achingly so IMO.
What is Jag's build quality like these days? Will it be well screwed together and reliable? My perception is still influenced by the XJS my folks had but hopefully they are now up with the best. Though my perception is also that the best (Porsche, Mercedes) have also significantly declined since the early 90's. Again, influenced by my folks experience of their '98 E-class rusting from the inside out, along with dodgy electrics worthy of an Alfa.
Not sure about the F Type but my dad's 07 (I think) XFS was pretty well put together. Lasted about 4-5 years with no real issues, interior held together well, panels never rattled etc.What is Jag's build quality like these days? Will it be well screwed together and reliable? My perception is still influenced by the XJS my folks had but hopefully they are now up with the best. Though my perception is also that the best (Porsche, Mercedes) have also significantly declined since the early 90's. Again, influenced by my folks experience of their '98 E-class rusting from the inside out, along with dodgy electrics worthy of an Alfa.
If that's anything to go by then I'd say there shouldn't be any worries with the F Type.
And I feel you on the looks, Jesus Christ I want one so bad!
Mr_B said:
I thought there was next to no difference in stiffness between coupes and drop tops now ? Yet article says "A bodyshell which is now 80 per cent stiffer than the drop-top " . Is that correct ?
Generally speaking, you have the choice between making the coupe lighter and making it stiffer (or a bit of both, obviously). Of course "80% stiffer" doesn't tell us anything without knowing how still the cabriolet was. Doubling the stiffness of an already stiff car would make very little difference. Doubling the stiffness of a floppy one, would.
Mr_B said:
I thought there was next to no difference in stiffness between coupes and drop tops now ? Yet article says "A bodyshell which is now 80 per cent stiffer than the drop-top " . Is that correct ?
Taken from a review I've just read:So, sticking a roof on the convertible F-type - how difficult could that be? More complicated than you might think, especially because of the fearsome US roll-over legislation, which involved a complex extruded and hydro-formed aluminium roof beams, which hide under the cant rail and contribute to an 80 per cent increase in torsional stiffness – the Coupé is 44lb lighter than the cabriolet.
I've got a deposit down on one, ( V6S) should I be worried about deprecation? I pulled out of buying a drop top last year when I seen the predicted residuals, and it looks as though they were spot on, even after all the rave reviews it hasn't faired very well, or is the coupe going to be better than the usual Jag??? I can't wait to see one in the flesh.
I am very excited by this car - the XKR-S was one of my favourite cars and wish I'd never sold it. If this is expected to be that much better in all respects then it's going to be great fun indeed.
However, CH's view that he couldn't feel the extra performance or certain aspects of the dynamics (like the torque vectoring) in comparison to the convertible is at totally odds with Sutcliffe's impression in the Autocar video released at the same time.
Also, whilst it will be undoubtedly be hugely superior to the XKR-S, it is definitely not more a expensive car in the real world. Indeed, the F-Type R is likely to cost £20k+ more than the XKR-S with residuals that are probably not a whole lot better. So, is the F-Type worth 25% more than an XKR-S? IMO, probably still a yes, if only for the aesthetics!
However, CH's view that he couldn't feel the extra performance or certain aspects of the dynamics (like the torque vectoring) in comparison to the convertible is at totally odds with Sutcliffe's impression in the Autocar video released at the same time.
Also, whilst it will be undoubtedly be hugely superior to the XKR-S, it is definitely not more a expensive car in the real world. Indeed, the F-Type R is likely to cost £20k+ more than the XKR-S with residuals that are probably not a whole lot better. So, is the F-Type worth 25% more than an XKR-S? IMO, probably still a yes, if only for the aesthetics!
Lowtimer said:
Er, well, on *any* expensive new car you should be expecting to take a bath on the depreciation, TBH. Unless a) they have a long waiting list I'm not aware of and b) you intend to sell it in a year or less, into that waiting list.
Yes, sorry for the daft question, I know (by experience ) that your going to take a hit buying new cars, with the odd exception, I'm just curious to know if this car may buck the trend when it comes to Jags, the XK can have eye watering loses, I'm just wondering if the coupe will fair better, and yes I know no one has a crystal ball, but educated guess's would be welcome.disco666 said:
Did I read it right?
The V8 is more expensive than the convertible?
Different bhp output?The V8 is more expensive than the convertible?
F-TYPE Coupe R 5.0 Litre V8 550PS Supercharged - £85,000.00
F-TYPE V8 S 5.0 Litre V8 495PS Supercharged - £79,985.00
http://www.jaguar.co.uk/jaguar-range/f-type/pricin...
s2000db said:
Spanna said:
s2000db said:
550Bhp and only 4 secs to 62?
Too heavy and or lack of traction??
Only? Too heavy and or lack of traction??
Despite it's absolutely incredible looks, it's an automatic coupe not a supercar baiter. This isn't a competitor for the Nissan GTR or 911 Turbo, though it may steal some sales from those two. The fact that this can hit 60 in 4 seconds whilst looking so beautiful, with a stonking V8 soundtrack and a no doubt heavy auto transmission, loads of gadgets, big heavy comfortable armchair-like electric seats and still comply with all the Euro bulls
t is a brilliant achievement. I hope they sell tens of thousands of them.
What Im trying to say is that if the 0-62, had a 3 in front of it, then it would have opened up an even bigger market for it, anyhow independent testing might even do that for it!
Don't spend all the PR currency at once.
Little Lofty said:
Lowtimer said:
Er, well, on *any* expensive new car you should be expecting to take a bath on the depreciation, TBH. Unless a) they have a long waiting list I'm not aware of and b) you intend to sell it in a year or less, into that waiting list.
Yes, sorry for the daft question, I know (by experience ) that your going to take a hit buying new cars, with the odd exception, I'm just curious to know if this car may buck the trend when it comes to Jags, the XK can have eye watering loses, I'm just wondering if the coupe will fair better, and yes I know no one has a crystal ball, but educated guess's would be welcome.disco666 said:
Did I read it right?
The V8 is more expensive than the convertible?
The convertible is branded an "S" with 495PS. The coupe is an "R" with the XKR-S's 550PS engine.The V8 is more expensive than the convertible?
In addition you get things which are optional in the convertible such as the performance seats, sports steering wheel and switchable exhaust (off the top if my head).
I guess Chris started to want to write that with his head and ended up writing it with his heart.
The Porsche equivalents I guess make the owner be utterly respectful to the great job they have done, Jaguar seem to have made a car that makes the owner slightly in awe and have fun. It's a bit like a latter day AC Cobra surely, this and the convertible.
So both companies have now gone down different routes. One thing for certain the back of the Jag is a nice arse.
It's nice to see after all the years of UK mainstream manufacturers going down the pan that we have something that managed to get through all that with JLR. Of course they are not all UK, but even so. It does make you wonder if we could have done better with our other gems.
The Porsche equivalents I guess make the owner be utterly respectful to the great job they have done, Jaguar seem to have made a car that makes the owner slightly in awe and have fun. It's a bit like a latter day AC Cobra surely, this and the convertible.
So both companies have now gone down different routes. One thing for certain the back of the Jag is a nice arse.
It's nice to see after all the years of UK mainstream manufacturers going down the pan that we have something that managed to get through all that with JLR. Of course they are not all UK, but even so. It does make you wonder if we could have done better with our other gems.
Little Lofty said:
Yes, sorry for the daft question, I know (by experience ) that your going to take a hit buying new cars, with the odd exception, I'm just curious to know if this car may buck the trend when it comes to Jags, the XK can have eye watering loses, I'm just wondering if the coupe will fair better, and yes I know no one has a crystal ball, but educated guess's would be welcome.
The convertable is dropping so this will be no differant imo.Mr_B said:
I thought there was next to no difference in stiffness between coupes and drop tops now ? Yet article says "A bodyshell which is now 80 per cent stiffer than the drop-top " . Is that correct ?
No, that's not changed. The new Boxster is somewhere around 23000 newton-meters/degree of torsional rigidity, but the new Cayman is 40000 -- as stiff as a McLaren 12C coupe.It's gotten better due to strong chassis sills, and better rear bulkhead and passenger compartment designs (and stiffer firewalls), but losing B and/or C pillars is still a huge hit to torsional rigidity.
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