RE: Jaguar F-Type Coupe: Driven

RE: Jaguar F-Type Coupe: Driven

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Goofnik

216 posts

141 months

Sunday 12th January 2014
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AstroMonkey said:
Not sure about the F Type but my dad's 07 (I think) XFS was pretty well put together. Lasted about 4-5 years with no real issues, interior held together well, panels never rattled etc.

If that's anything to go by then I'd say there shouldn't be any worries with the F Type.
The 3.0L has been a bit hit or miss. Possibly it's out of the teething stages now, but a lot of XFs with the supercharged 3.0L were in the shop, at least here in the states.

Additionally, if you're dropping this kind of coin for a car, I'd also hope you'd be planning to keep it for a lot more than 4 or 5 years. Long-term reliability and maintenance then becomes a real factor. IMS/bore-scoring/D-chunk issues aside with the M96, that's why Porsche (911 in particular, though Boxster/Cayman joining the ranks) has been a long term favorite, as long-term maintenance and running costs are reasonable.

I look at cars like this as something that becomes your avatar. You should be able to drive it for 30 years, because it's still fun and looks great after 30 years (and you can drive it without it breaking down), and you become "that guy that drives that cool car" where you live.

Edited by Goofnik on Sunday 12th January 17:50

crosseyedlion

2,180 posts

199 months

Sunday 12th January 2014
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Goofnik said:
The 3.0L has been a bit hit or miss. Possibly it's out of the teething stages now, but a lot of XFs with the supercharged 3.0L were in the shop, at least here in the states.

Additionally, if you're dropping this kind of coin for a car, I'd also hope you'd be planning to keep it for a lot more than 4 or 5 years. Long-term reliability and maintenance then becomes a real factor. IMS/bore-scoring/D-chunk issues aside with the M96, that's why Porsche (911 in particular, though Boxster/Cayman joining the ranks) has been a long term favorite, as long-term maintenance and running costs are reasonable.

I look at cars like this as something that becomes your avatar. You should be able to drive it for 30 years, because it's still fun and looks great after 30 years (and you can drive it without it breaking down), and you become "that guy that drives that cool car" where you live.

Edited by Goofnik on Sunday 12th January 17:50
Most will be purchased on a pcp (finance) deal and handed back after 3 years.

And porches engine issues are what scares people away from them as a long term prospect here, long term running costs can be horrific (engine rebuilds)

David87

6,667 posts

213 months

Sunday 12th January 2014
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I just cannot work out whether I prefer this F-Type V8 R or the new Corvette Z06. The Jaguar looks better, but the 'Vette is even more unhinged. Hmm. scratchchin

Art0ir

9,402 posts

171 months

Sunday 12th January 2014
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Goofnik said:
The 3.0L has been a bit hit or miss. Possibly it's out of the teething stages now, but a lot of XFs with the supercharged 3.0L were in the shop, at least here in the states.

Additionally, if you're dropping this kind of coin for a car, I'd also hope you'd be planning to keep it for a lot more than 4 or 5 years. Long-term reliability and maintenance then becomes a real factor. IMS/bore-scoring/D-chunk issues aside with the M96, that's why Porsche (911 in particular, though Boxster/Cayman joining the ranks) has been a long term favorite, as long-term maintenance and running costs are reasonable.

I look at cars like this as something that becomes your avatar. You should be able to drive it for 30 years, because it's still fun and looks great after 30 years (and you can drive it without it breaking down), and you become "that guy that drives that cool car" where you live.

Edited by Goofnik on Sunday 12th January 17:50
What has the reaction been in the States so far? Jalopnik, Jay Leno and the other usual suspects seem to have a real crush on it.

I'd have one in the morning if I could afford it (£102,735.98 for the ideal configuration!)

Edited by Art0ir on Sunday 12th January 18:18

XJ Flyer

5,526 posts

131 months

Sunday 12th January 2014
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s2000db said:
Spanna said:
s2000db said:
550Bhp and only 4 secs to 62?

Too heavy and or lack of traction??
Only?
Despite it's absolutely incredible looks, it's an automatic coupe not a supercar baiter. This isn't a competitor for the Nissan GTR or 911 Turbo, though it may steal some sales from those two. The fact that this can hit 60 in 4 seconds whilst looking so beautiful, with a stonking V8 soundtrack and a no doubt heavy auto transmission, loads of gadgets, big heavy comfortable armchair-like electric seats and still comply with all the Euro bullst is a brilliant achievement.

I hope they sell tens of thousands of them.
I think you do the transmission a disservice... I don't think its significantly heavier than a PDK, the claims for efficiency are extremely good, plus it has launch control and a greater spread of ratios...

What Im trying to say is that if the 0-62, had a 3 in front of it, then it would have opened up an even bigger market for it, anyhow independent testing might even do that for it!
It's probably more a case of slow launch speeds being a typical characteristic of torque converter transmissions as opposed to mechanical clutched ones.Unless they've found a way to lock up a converter from rest and then put loads of torque through it without it going bang.In which case it's anyone's guess why it won't get into the below 4 seconds to 60 mark but I'd doubt that it's weight or traction which is stopping it considering the 0-100 times being quoted for it.Which seems to suggest that it's just usual torque converter limitations when getting off the line.

loudlashadjuster

5,157 posts

185 months

Sunday 12th January 2014
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s2000db said:
What Im trying to say is that if the 0-62, had a 3 in front of it, then it would have opened up an even bigger market for it
Maybe...if every potential buyer lived in the land of Top Trumps/school playgrounds.

rs mexico

475 posts

217 months

Sunday 12th January 2014
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Spot on lots of willy wavin going on here.
loudlashadjuster said:
Maybe...if every potential buyer lived in the land of Top Trumps/school playgrounds.

XJ Flyer

5,526 posts

131 months

Sunday 12th January 2014
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rs mexico said:
Spot on lots of willy wavin going on here.
loudlashadjuster said:
Maybe...if every potential buyer lived in the land of Top Trumps/school playgrounds.
Or maybe just interested in the engineering challenges involved in making things go as fast a possible and driving the results.

crosseyedlion

2,180 posts

199 months

Sunday 12th January 2014
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The limit for super saloons is around 4.5 seconds to 60, traction limited.

Given the weight of the F type (its still no lightweight), a 0-60 time of 4 seconds and 0-100mph of around 8 seconds (same power output and similar weight at the xkr-s) its bloomin brilliant. Much faster than a carrera S once off the line.

You would not drive an ftype R and be wanting for more power. If you want to play top trumps with 0-60, put some stickier tyres on it.


bagseye

111 posts

178 months

Sunday 12th January 2014
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Stunning.

rs mexico

475 posts

217 months

Sunday 12th January 2014
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There banging on about that half a second quicker will get more customers.The quality of the leather will have more of a influence in that department.

j_s14a

863 posts

179 months

Sunday 12th January 2014
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The best British sports car in years.

Well done Jaguar.

RobM77

35,349 posts

235 months

Sunday 12th January 2014
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j_s14a said:
The best British sports car in years.

Well done Jaguar.
Driven an Evora lately? wink

Top achievement though bringing the F Type to market in a world full of fat lazy SUVs. I'll take Norfolk's finest instead for the money, but I welcome the choice, thank you Jag smile

XJ Flyer

5,526 posts

131 months

Sunday 12th January 2014
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crosseyedlion said:
The limit for super saloons is around 4.5 seconds to 60, traction limited.

Given the weight of the F type (its still no lightweight), a 0-60 time of 4 seconds and 0-100mph of around 8 seconds (same power output and similar weight at the xkr-s) its bloomin brilliant. Much faster than a carrera S once off the line.

You would not drive an ftype R and be wanting for more power. If you want to play top trumps with 0-60, put some stickier tyres on it.

That reference to the rate of progress after it's got off the line is the most important thing and I'd agree that's definitely a good time.Which just leaves the question is it torque converter losses or traction that stops it getting under 4 seconds to 60.The CTSV certainly seems to be able to get to 60 in ( marginally ) less than 4 on factory tyres so traction doesn't seem to be the limiting factor.

www.cadillac.com/cts-v-luxury-sedan.html

crosseyedlion

2,180 posts

199 months

Sunday 12th January 2014
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XJ Flyer said:
That reference to the rate of progress after it's got off the line is the most important thing and I'd agree that's definitely a good time.Which just leaves the question is it torque converter losses or traction that stops it getting under 4 seconds to 60.The CTSV certainly seems to be able to get to 60 in ( marginally ) less than 4 on factory tyres so traction doesn't seem to be the limiting factor.

www.cadillac.com/cts-v-luxury-sedan.html
Its traction, trust me. Try putting that much torque to just the rear wheels of anything and it'd be a struggle.

MrTappets

881 posts

192 months

Sunday 12th January 2014
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Pretty sure Motor Trend supposedly got 3.4 out of a v8 S and were so surprised they dyno'd the car. They reckoned that if anything it was making slightly less than the 495 advertised, which certainly bodes well for the R. I mean, how much do the Turbo and Turbo S cost these days

CatScan

208 posts

150 months

Sunday 12th January 2014
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MrTappets said:
I mean, how much do the Turbo and Turbo S cost these days
Turbo starts at £118,349, £33,349 (or 39%) more than the F-Type R's £85,000.

I've seen plenty of the coupes around, looks stunning, especially in silver.

Art0ir

9,402 posts

171 months

Sunday 12th January 2014
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MrTappets said:
Pretty sure Motor Trend supposedly got 3.4 out of a v8 S and were so surprised they dyno'd the car. They reckoned that if anything it was making slightly less than the 495 advertised, which certainly bodes well for the R. I mean, how much do the Turbo and Turbo S cost these days
Dynos are notoriously unaccurate thing. Minute changes such as ambient temperature for example can skew the results wildly.

Fire99

9,844 posts

230 months

Sunday 12th January 2014
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My technical analysis is that it looks 'scrummy' in the dark metallic colour smile

Lowtimer

4,293 posts

169 months

Sunday 12th January 2014
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Also, while things might have changed since I was at Haymarket, it was very obvious back then that Motor Trend acceleration figures are not necessarily ones that typically turn out to be repeatable by people on this side of the Atlantic.