RE: Jaguar F-Type Coupe: Driven
Discussion
And I normally hate autos. V8 probably out of my reach but V6S has the bonus of the centre exit exhausts. If I was in a position to buy a new one now, I might insist on the V8 but with centre exit exhausts.goron59 said:
At the F-Type (soft top) launch, I upset the Jaguar man by saying the storage space was a deal breaker and I'd wait for the hard top version.
"Look!" he said, "you can fit a golf bag in the back!" It's true, you could, but the bag was empty and I don't play golf (and was slightly put off by the implication of the type of customer).
So really, all I wanted to hear from this piece was: can you actually take the wife and go for a blast around Europe for a week and still have room for a change of clothes?
Sounds like a yes, so might have to revisit Mr Jaguar.
^^ I'm with this guy"Look!" he said, "you can fit a golf bag in the back!" It's true, you could, but the bag was empty and I don't play golf (and was slightly put off by the implication of the type of customer).
So really, all I wanted to hear from this piece was: can you actually take the wife and go for a blast around Europe for a week and still have room for a change of clothes?
Sounds like a yes, so might have to revisit Mr Jaguar.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
goron59 said:
At the F-Type (soft top) launch, I upset the Jaguar man by saying the storage space was a deal breaker and I'd wait for the hard top version.
"Look!" he said, "you can fit a golf bag in the back!" It's true, you could, but the bag was empty and I don't play golf (and was slightly put off by the implication of the type of customer).
So really, all I wanted to hear from this piece was: can you actually take the wife and go for a blast around Europe for a week and still have room for a change of clothes?
Sounds like a yes, so might have to revisit Mr Jaguar.
^^ I'm with this guy"Look!" he said, "you can fit a golf bag in the back!" It's true, you could, but the bag was empty and I don't play golf (and was slightly put off by the implication of the type of customer).
So really, all I wanted to hear from this piece was: can you actually take the wife and go for a blast around Europe for a week and still have room for a change of clothes?
Sounds like a yes, so might have to revisit Mr Jaguar.
That is surely the point of a car like this isn't it? It's not a lightweight sports car, it's a GT, and a GT needs storage space so your touring can be grand :-)RobM77 said:
j_s14a said:
The best British sports car in years.
Well done Jaguar.
Driven an Evora lately? Well done Jaguar.
Top achievement though bringing the F Type to market in a world full of fat lazy SUVs. I'll take Norfolk's finest instead for the money, but I welcome the choice, thank you Jag
I do love the Evora, and I don't doubt that it's an extremely potent car, but it just doesn't have the kind of aura that the F-Type has.
My only quibbles are no manual (yet??) and that this spells the end for the wonderful XK range.
Goofnik said:
Mr_B said:
I thought there was next to no difference in stiffness between coupes and drop tops now ? Yet article says "A bodyshell which is now 80 per cent stiffer than the drop-top " . Is that correct ?
No, that's not changed. The new Boxster is somewhere around 23000 newton-meters/degree of torsional rigidity, but the new Cayman is 40000 -- as stiff as a McLaren 12C coupe.It's gotten better due to strong chassis sills, and better rear bulkhead and passenger compartment designs (and stiffer firewalls), but losing B and/or C pillars is still a huge hit to torsional rigidity.
Sutcliffe annoys me. He's the master of sweeping statements, generalisations, and completely contradictory statements. Often in the same sentence. To the point where I can't take anything he says seriously.
His driving ability isn't in question, but he's a rubbish journalist. All in my opinion only, of course. I'm sure he's a nice fella.
His driving ability isn't in question, but he's a rubbish journalist. All in my opinion only, of course. I'm sure he's a nice fella.
Edited by Kenny Powers on Monday 13th January 02:54
Kenny Powers said:
Sutcliffe annoys me. He's the master of sweeping statements, generalisations, and completely contradictory statements. Often in the same sentence. To the point where I can't take anything he says seriously.
His driving ability isn't in question, but he's a rubbish journalist. All in my opinion only, of course. I'm sure he's a nice fella.
Cobblers. Sutters has been the leading magazine motoring journo in the country for the last 20yrs. These days there is only him, Goodwin, Henry and Roebuck still worth reading. Harris was on the right path till he became an EVO lads mag journo.His driving ability isn't in question, but he's a rubbish journalist. All in my opinion only, of course. I'm sure he's a nice fella.
Edited by Kenny Powers on Monday 13th January 02:54
A question to those who have driven them... just how naff is the steering feel?
I have a strong preference for fast ratios, lots of feedback and quite a heavy weight. I fell out with my local dealer recently so would need to travel a 200 mile round trip to test drive one elsewhere. That in itself may put me off owning one because I wouldn't use the local for servicing or all the warranty work a new car will probably need if I own it (because I'm just that lucky...).
I have a strong preference for fast ratios, lots of feedback and quite a heavy weight. I fell out with my local dealer recently so would need to travel a 200 mile round trip to test drive one elsewhere. That in itself may put me off owning one because I wouldn't use the local for servicing or all the warranty work a new car will probably need if I own it (because I'm just that lucky...).
DJRC said:
One thing on the configurator...can you change interior colour? Gave me the option of black, black and black! Only thing I could change was some trims.
When in Interior click on Seat to choice seat style then click Trim to choose colour, standard seats can be black,dark grey or light grey, sports seats can be all sorts of colours.jamieduff1981 said:
A question to those who have driven them... just how naff is the steering feel?
I have a strong preference for fast ratios, lots of feedback and quite a heavy weight. I fell out with my local dealer recently so would need to travel a 200 mile round trip to test drive one elsewhere. That in itself may put me off owning one because I wouldn't use the local for servicing or all the warranty work a new car will probably need if I own it (because I'm just that lucky...).
I've only driven the convertible, but the steering is absoloutely fine on that. It's no worse than any other modern sports car, though doesn't offer the feedback that the Boxster does. I have a strong preference for fast ratios, lots of feedback and quite a heavy weight. I fell out with my local dealer recently so would need to travel a 200 mile round trip to test drive one elsewhere. That in itself may put me off owning one because I wouldn't use the local for servicing or all the warranty work a new car will probably need if I own it (because I'm just that lucky...).
Stunning car! I do prefer the Coupe too. Someone on our street has a convertible version and it's a real looker and sounds awesome - much better sound than my 911. I really wanted an F-Type but when I went for it…I bought a 911 instead and am convinced I made the right choice. Still, the F-Type is a fantastic car and I'm sure anyone who buys one of these Coupe's will be very happy indeed!
DJRC said:
Cobblers. Sutters has been the leading magazine motoring journo in the country for the last 20yrs. These days there is only him, Goodwin, Henry and Roebuck still worth reading. Harris was on the right path till he became an EVO lads mag journo.
Like I said, it's just my opinion. The BMW 1M Coupe doesn't feel turbocharged, because it has a whopping great hit of torque? Righto. Surprised that a 500+hp Nissan GT-R is more difficult to drive fast on a streaming wet twisty circuit than a much smaller car with half the power? Righto. Renault Megane easily keeping up with a Focus RS, but allegedly the Focus is then in another postal district? Righto. I could go on but I've made my point. Obviously the guy is a great driver, and no doubt a nice bloke, but in my opinion his journalism is full of throwaway comments that often don't even make sense.
Again, only in my opinion.
Goofnik said:
Mr_B said:
I thought there was next to no difference in stiffness between coupes and drop tops now ? Yet article says "A bodyshell which is now 80 per cent stiffer than the drop-top " . Is that correct ?
No, that's not changed. The new Boxster is somewhere around 23000 newton-meters/degree of torsional rigidity, but the new Cayman is 40000 -- as stiff as a McLaren 12C coupe.Am I right in saying that past 25k nm per deg, it doesn't actually make a difference ? I thought this was the point beyond which the law of diminishing returns started hitting very hard, ie stiff is stiff and you could stiffen it another 400% with no measurable handling gains.
I thought the 80% figure was used for marketing reasons and only the NVH placebo effect was the reason why people said the car handled better while scaring themselves at 5/10th of lat grip ? ;-).
Or at least I assumed the (small) effect of the added rigidity would be equivalent to the (small) loss due to higher COG and added weight ? This was certainly the case for the Boxster/Cayman.
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