The Best ///M/Barge/General Rant/Look at this/O/T (Vol XVI)
Discussion
Output Flange said:
Just watching James May's "Cars of the People", episode 2/3.
Now, he's obviously an incredibly astute car enthusiast with a level of knowledge you just can't argue with.
So when he says that the R4 is the best car to come out of France........
Have you bought one yet?Now, he's obviously an incredibly astute car enthusiast with a level of knowledge you just can't argue with.
So when he says that the R4 is the best car to come out of France........
Obvious replacement for the X5?!
Output Flange said:
As much as I like that E500, it really doesn't.
In my current position I'm selling my X5, would consider a 5er/E-Class estate temporary replacement, but would be until the time is right to be back in an X5. They are, quite honestly, great cars. But they're categorically not drviers' cars. Why they were ever marketed as such is beyond me.
Having spent some time in an '06 FFRR recently, it's a more comfortable but less practical alternative. Nice enough, but not for me. A post-2010 X5 40d next, I think.
That's what I don't get - X5 offers only height (with the compromises that brings) over an estate. Zero real-world off-road ability, so what's the benefit, unless you really like the cartoon-aggressive looks? Range Rover a different proposition entirely (and how is it less practical?).In my current position I'm selling my X5, would consider a 5er/E-Class estate temporary replacement, but would be until the time is right to be back in an X5. They are, quite honestly, great cars. But they're categorically not drviers' cars. Why they were ever marketed as such is beyond me.
Having spent some time in an '06 FFRR recently, it's a more comfortable but less practical alternative. Nice enough, but not for me. A post-2010 X5 40d next, I think.
olly22n said:
GreatPretender said:
Indeed, especially when the MPG figures for the diesel SUVs are comparable to the V8 petrol E-class.
I did 100 miles in an 09 3.0d x5 almost exclusively on the motorway at c.80mph today. Sensibly. 27.8mpg.
Mr E said:
I did 80 miles after picking the E500 up. 20 or so through Guildford, 60 or so down the M4 at an indicated 80 ish.
The car reckoned 25mpg between starts.
Well there you go then. Point proven. The car reckoned 25mpg between starts.
It's just science.
CLK is averaging 22. Managed 26 this morning, a clear run down the M3 on cruise @ 70.
Had the codes read for the alarm yesterday, RH interior sensor seems to be the culprit! Parked it yesterday and turned off the interior sensors. No repeat - yet.
Had a quote for the service due in 3000 miles. £975. After the initial ouch, its a lot of work and while not value, its not that bad. Booked it in at Tim Purslow indy. Very impressed, its basically a mini main dealer with the Tony Purslow connection!
Had the codes read for the alarm yesterday, RH interior sensor seems to be the culprit! Parked it yesterday and turned off the interior sensors. No repeat - yet.
Had a quote for the service due in 3000 miles. £975. After the initial ouch, its a lot of work and while not value, its not that bad. Booked it in at Tim Purslow indy. Very impressed, its basically a mini main dealer with the Tony Purslow connection!
NomduJour said:
That's what I don't get - X5 offers only height (with the compromises that brings) over an estate. Zero real-world off-road ability, so what's the benefit, unless you really like the cartoon-aggressive looks? Range Rover a different proposition entirely (and how is it less practical?).
Incorrect, but an easy cliche to roll-out.I've towed two tonnes of trailer up a steep muddy slope with no dramas. Can't think of a saloon car that could've done it. If I needed to drive over boulders, it wouldn't be the right tool for the job, but for everything else it's just fine. So actually 100% real-world off-road ability.
Output Flange said:
Incorrect, but an easy cliche to roll-out.
I've towed two tonnes of trailer up a steep muddy slope with no dramas. Can't think of a saloon car that could've done it. If I needed to drive over boulders, it wouldn't be the right tool for the job, but for everything else it's just fine. So actually 100% real-world off-road ability.
So you're using the 1% of SUV users who tow big loads off of sealed roads to justify why SUVs are better than estates for general use.I've towed two tonnes of trailer up a steep muddy slope with no dramas. Can't think of a saloon car that could've done it. If I needed to drive over boulders, it wouldn't be the right tool for the job, but for everything else it's just fine. So actually 100% real-world off-road ability.
Gruber said:
...which reminds me... Is it too soon to start looking for a winter snotter?
Quite fancy a V8 Disco. Presumably hideous in every way except for the nice rumble and plentiful opportunities to become better acquainted with the nice chap at Shell.
Few Cherokee Jeep fans on here I believe.Quite fancy a V8 Disco. Presumably hideous in every way except for the nice rumble and plentiful opportunities to become better acquainted with the nice chap at Shell.
braddo said:
So you're using the 1% of SUV users who tow big loads off of sealed roads to justify why SUVs are better than estates for general use.
No, I'm using a real-world example to disprove the assertion that the X5 has no "real-world off-roading abilities", and hence why it offers something that an estate car doesn't.ATM said:
Few Cherokee Jeep fans on here I believe.
I include myself in that group. But having had two petrol 4.0s and a diesel version (big mistake!) in the past, I fancy something different.Criteria: less than £1k, within 50 miles of SW11, newish MOT and some tax through to the new year. And the moon on a stick.
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