The Best ///M/Barge/General Rant/Look at this/O/T (Vol XVI)

The Best ///M/Barge/General Rant/Look at this/O/T (Vol XVI)

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deadslow

7,962 posts

222 months

Sunday 24th August 2014
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olly22n said:
And rare with the factory rust accelerator not fitted.
hehehehehehe

braddo

10,399 posts

187 months

Sunday 24th August 2014
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Gaz. said:
TBH, not really. I never see them about, nor a Europa either. Elises grow on trees, and there's plenty of Esprits, Excels, 90's & classic Elans around here too so plenty of Lotus enthusiasts. HowManyLeft say there's 500 of them on the road- now that I found surprising.
I get the impression there is a significant number in Scotland - it seems as if half the owners posting on the forums are from there so if there is a 'yes' vote in September, the HowManyLeft numbers are going to halve. hehe

ferrisbueller

29,260 posts

226 months

Sunday 24th August 2014
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Can't believe they sold 500 in the first place.

bungle

1,874 posts

239 months

Monday 25th August 2014
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mft said:
Anyone else surprised by how cheap Evoras are?



Yours for a fiver under 30k, and it's not even the cheapest! Seems a lot of special car for the money.
What's the point of those rear seats?! No-one could ever use them. Surely you could actually have some useful luggage space there?

E30M3SE

8,465 posts

195 months

Monday 25th August 2014
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Rear seats are an option, believe £1500's worth although that may have changed.

Gompo

4,396 posts

257 months

Monday 25th August 2014
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Rear seats are probably useless for anything more than young children, but the fact they designed the Evora to be a 2+2 hopefully means there's a fairly roomy cabin for the driver. I'm sure there's quite a few out there not happy having to reject (pure 2 seater) cars due to not being able to fit!

If Evoras ever get in my price range I'll definitely be test driving, I've always been fond of the aesthetics too; never seen the visual issues others have.

..How roomy are Caymans up front?

Output Flange

16,793 posts

210 months

Monday 25th August 2014
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Surprised the Evoras are still as expensive as they are. At circa £18k it would be an attractive(ish) proposition, but £30k just seems daft.

ferrisbueller

29,260 posts

226 months

Monday 25th August 2014
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Output Flange said:
Surprised the Evoras are still as expensive as they are. At circa £18k it would be an attractive(ish) proposition, but £30k just seems daft.
Agreed. Something-teen becomes rational, 30k is not.

Vixpy1

42,620 posts

263 months

Monday 25th August 2014
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ferrisbueller said:
Output Flange said:
Surprised the Evoras are still as expensive as they are. At circa £18k it would be an attractive(ish) proposition, but £30k just seems daft.
Agreed. Something-teen becomes rational, 30k is not.
Spot on, I have a real soft spot for the Evora

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

195 months

Monday 25th August 2014
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My old csl up for sale.....

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...




Only about 30k miles & £10k more than I sold it for!

Olf

11,974 posts

217 months

Monday 25th August 2014
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
My old csl up for sale.....

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...




Only about 30k miles & £10k more than I sold it for!
That's because since you had it they've fitted another seat apparently.

Gruber

6,313 posts

213 months

Monday 25th August 2014
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
My old csl up for sale.....

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...




Only about 30k miles & £10k more than I sold it for!
I spotted that on Andy's website. He's a good chap. Nice looking example!

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

252 months

Monday 25th August 2014
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bungle said:
mft said:
Anyone else surprised by how cheap Evoras are?



Yours for a fiver under 30k, and it's not even the cheapest! Seems a lot of special car for the money.
What's the point of those rear seats?! No-one could ever use them. Surely you could actually have some useful luggage space there?
The requirement for rear seats was probably very high on the original design specification, but that requirement prejudiced a lot of things, not least making every example, whether fitted with them or not, look a bit dumpy.

This could have looked as good as the Esprit, but for that single little line in the spec.

And if it had looked as good as the Esprit, boy would it have sold.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

195 months

Monday 25th August 2014
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Olf said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
My old csl up for sale.....

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...




Only about 30k miles & £10k more than I sold it for!
That's because since you had it they've fitted another seat apparently.
Not to mention the rather suspect looking stain on the drivers one (nothing that was done in my ownership I hasten to add!). I still have a spare key for the car somewhere....

Patrick Bateman

12,143 posts

173 months

Monday 25th August 2014
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I like the Evora but they seem expensive. Hell, all Lotuses seem expensive.

tdm34

7,365 posts

209 months

Monday 25th August 2014
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tdm34

7,365 posts

209 months

Monday 25th August 2014
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tdm34 said:
Watch to the end.... fascinating...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=6257479241502...
Just found this interesting statement regarding "Top Fuel" dragsters, reveals just a little about them.

One top fuel dragster 500 cubic inch Hemi engine makes more horsepower than the first 4 rows of stock cars at the Daytona 500.

It takes just 15/100ths of a second for all 6,000+ (now estimated at 10K hp) horsepower of an NHRA Top Fuel dragster engine to reach the rear wheels.

Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes 1-1/2 (now almost two gallons) gallons of nitro methane per second; a fully loaded 747 consumes jet fuel at the same rate with 25% less energy being produced.

A stock Dodge Hemi V8 engine cannot produce enough power to drive the dragster's supercharger.

With 3,000 CFM (almost 5000 CFM now) of air being rammed in by the supercharger on overdrive, the fuel mixture is compressed into a near-solid form before ignition.

Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock at full throttle.

At the stoichiometric (stoichiometry: methodology and technology by which quantities of reactants and products in chemical reactions are determined) 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture of nitro methane, the flame front temperature measures 7,050 deg F.

Nitro methane burns yellow... The spectacular white flame seen above the stacks at night is raw burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric water vapor by the searing exhaust gases.

Dual magnetos supply 44 amps to each spark plug. This is the output of an arc welder in each cylinder.

Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After halfway, the engine is dieseling from compression, plus the glow of exhaust valves at 1,400 deg F. The engine can only be shut down by cutting the fuel flow.

If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned nitro builds up in the affected cylinders and then explodes with sufficient force to blow cylinder heads off the block in pieces or split the block in half.

In order to exceed 300 mph in 4.5 seconds, dragsters must accelerate an average of over 4G's. In order to reach 200 mph (well before half-track), the launch acceleration approaches 8G's.

Dragsters reach over 300 miles per hour before you have completed reading this sentence.

Top fuel engines turn approximately 540 revolutions from light to light! Including the burnout, the engine must only survive 900 revolutions under load.

The redline is actually quite high at 9,500 rpm.

Assuming all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for free, and for once NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs an estimate $1,000.00 per second.


Putting all of this into perspective:

You are driving the average $140,000 Lingenfelter 'twin-turbo' powered Corvette Z06. Over a mile up the road, a top fuel dragster is staged and ready to launch down a quarter mile strip as you pass. You have the advantage of a flying start. You run the 'Vette hard up through the gears and blast across the starting line and pass the dragster at an honest 200 mph. The 'tree' goes green for both of you at that moment.

The dragster launches and starts after you. You keep your foot down hard, but you hear an incredibly brutal whine that sears your eardrums and within 3 seconds, the dragster catches and passes you. He beats you to the finish line, a quarter mile away from where you just passed him.

Think about it, from a standing start, the dragster had spotted you 200 mph and not only caught, but nearly blasted you off the road when he passed you within a mere 1,320 foot long race

Justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

241 months

Monday 25th August 2014
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I don't believe the 747 comparison for a second.

Justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

241 months

Monday 25th August 2014
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anonymous said:
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25% less output from four RR turbofans?

mft

1,752 posts

221 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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Justayellowbadge said:
anonymous said:
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25% less output from four RR turbofans?
Google also suggests a single 747 engine has a peak output the equivalent of ~30,000 hp. smile
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