The Best ///M/Barge/General Rant/Look at this/O/T (Vol XVI)

[4941cc]

olly22n said:

So why do they rust and porkses don't?

Pressing panels isn't the whole construction process. More expensive car with a greater margin, better quality galvanisation, thicker paint and lacquer and so on. Redressed somewhat by engines seemingly consistently made of finest grade Emmental...

That said, I've seen Boxsters and 911s with and without rusty bits and late '90s/early '00s BMWs with and without it too.

Whether or not cars live in garages and/or get driven (and perhaps more pertinently, cleaned properly) through the salty road season I would wager has more to do with it.

The habit of "it's dirty and it will only get covered in crap again" school of though of leaving salt ridden crap clinging to the bodywork in ever-increasing amounts *probably* plays a part too.

Average Pork owners more likely to keep their prized possessions in presentable condition than the average BMW owner, etc. Especially if they've had the bills for derustifying an older one.

[4941cc]

I wouldn't consider an E36 a contemporary of the 986/996, they only overlapped at the end of E36 production and start of 986/996. E46 more directly comparable and I've seen fewer crusty ones of those than 36s, which are usually rife, worse than E30s. E36 seemed to be BMW's quality nadir.

[benjj]

Nadir is a very good word.

[Output Flange]

4941cc said:

I wouldn't consider an E36 a contemporary of the 986/996, they only overlapped at the end of E36 production and start of 986/996. E46 more directly comparable and I've seen fewer crusty ones of those than 36s, which are usually rife, worse than E30s. E36 seemed to be BMW's quality nadir.

All they did with the E46 was move the rust from the rear arches to the fronts.

[benjj]

Yum, lardy chav rocket wants to live in my garage.



GSi 24V.

[SpeckledJim]

4941cc said:

Average Pork owners more likely to keep their prized possessions in presentable condition than the average BMW owner, etc. Especially if they've had the bills for derustifying an older one.

I think they might be naturally more resistant, but I expect the answer is basically this ^^^

I'd expect 90% of 'average' BMWs are driven every day, all year, and I'd imagine that's not the case for at least 50% of the Porsche parc.

A new BMW is almost certainly a company car so won't get loved. A new Porsche is miles more likely to get washed and worried-about.

[L100NYY]

Chaps; It's been emotional.

[Output Flange]

I guess this is the busiest time of year for you Loon, what with having to build all those toys. Catch up after the 26th

[4941cc]

[braddo]

4941cc said:

BMW.

Zwolf?

[Cartwheel]

anonymous said:

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Seconded. For those who haven't seen this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BJfWzajchE it's worth the detour...

[LaurasOtherHalf]

sleep envy said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Output Flange said:

Do 996s suffer with rust?

Don't seem to, minor corrosion spots seem to occur under door latch plates and sill kick plates plus the usual wheel arch lips from being peppered with stone chips-but these are minor cosmetic issues that can be blown over at minimal cost & won't necessarily effect every car.

Bolts and brackets underneath are another pain, exhaust fasteners especially but it's nothing that's going to keep you awake at night.

Conversely, the 996 GT3 is the one to worry about as it only ever had very rudimentary rust proofing and the underneath of them can look very scabby.

Someone on PH had their '6 gt3 stripped, cleaned, proofed and painted as the underneath was in a bad shape due to minimal corrosion protection.

Aye, original thread on ben's car here;
http://rennlist.com/forums/996-gt2-gt3-forum/66290...

Read it n'weep.

[benjj]

Gaz. said:

benjj said:

Yum, lardy chav rocket wants to live in my garage.



GSi 24V.

1433kg, is it really that lardy by modern standards?

No, not really, I was just being rude. Also they're not the last word in handling. Quick though, I remember my father maxing his on an Austrian motorway about 25 years ago. 5 up with luggage, roof box and 5 pairs of skis on the top. Still saw 141mph* on the speedo.

• yes, the indicated 141 was probably more like 130-135.

[Patrick Bateman]

anonymous said:

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Replacing front wings is more painless though and likely to last longer compared to removing it from rears.

That being said, I had rust in every arch on mine.

[Output Flange]

Patrick Bateman said:

Replacing front wings is more painless though and likely to last longer compared to removing it from rears.

I'd disagree, I think.

If I needed the rears sorted, I'd hand it to a bodyshop and get them to sort it.

If I decided to replace the fronts myself with pre-painted, you'd have to jack it up, remove the wheels, remove the arch liners, remove the headlights, remove the bumper, remove side repeater, fight rusty bolts, remove wing, rust-proof replacement wing, refit everything, wonder what the leftover bolts are for and then discover that you forgot something, remove everything again and then refit.

I'd choose option 1.

[Patrick Bateman]

Or get the bodyshop to replace the fronts knowing they'll be fine for ages...

[Output Flange]

So just as painless as the rears, then.

[Patrick Bateman]

I meant painless as in not finding the rust return within a year, not actually the physical aspect of carrying it out.

[s m]

benjj said:

Gaz. said:

benjj said:

Yum, lardy chav rocket wants to live in my garage.



GSi 24V.

1433kg, is it really that lardy by modern standards?

No, not really, I was just being rude. Also they're not the last word in handling. Quick though, I remember my father maxing his on an Austrian motorway about 25 years ago. 5 up with luggage, roof box and 5 pairs of skis on the top. Still saw 141mph* on the speedo.

• yes, the indicated 141 was probably more like 130-135.

You have to judge the handling by the standards of 25 years ago to be fair........
When they were judged very well for what was a big car back then




Roadholding on the other hand will be deficient compared to today's fat-tyred saloons

These ran on skinny 205s compared to the "skinny-tyred" 200kg lighter GT86 on its 215s of today

Edited by s m on Tuesday 9th December 10:17

[benjj]

Where did it all go wrong?

Big normally aspirated petrol engines, RWD, LSDs...

I feel sad. I like all these cars. Bring them back.