RE: Audi S4: PH Fleet

Tuesday 21st January 2014

Audi S4: PH Fleet

Chris's S4 turns out to be a faithful hound, and not just because of the smell



There is a strange interrelationship at work between the humble hound and the NFG Audi S4. When house guests ask me if I can move the dog from the sofa to allow them to sit down, I always refuse on the grounds that I can guarantee I prefer the dog to them. This has led me to believe that were I so inclined, if I was to be reincarnated, I would chose to return to this earth as my dog. He has the best life of anything with a pulse.

The poor old S4 is the complete opposite. It has perhaps the hardest life of any car I know. It endures weeks of inaction, often at the side of the road, and its reintroduction into service normally involves Dan Prosser driving it like a wally with a camera strapped onto the bonnet. Sadly I can't draw this into some anthropomorphic metaphor for a second coming, but that doesn't dull the connection too much because it was a pair of dogs that gave the S4 its, er, signature aroma.

Read our review of the 2017 Audi S4 Avant

This is a car that landed in my life a year ago with me thinking it might need major mechanical surgery, and which has enjoyed a significant power boost in the interim. In other words it was ripe to cause me pain. The gearbox was clunky and a worry, the brakes were ruined and the bodywork was shambolic - although that last point was a bonus given the way the car was going to be used on photo shoots.

Muddy stuff - bikes, dogs, cameramen - go here
Muddy stuff - bikes, dogs, cameramen - go here
Bring the pain
10,000 miles later, I am stunned to report that the gearbox is actually a little better than it was with the standard 340hp. I had the oil changed last year and see no reason to do it again for a while. It was the second to first shifts in traffic that seemed to be causing problems, now I just make sure whoever drives the car manually shifts from second to first and there's no lurching at all.

Once you're up and running, the S Tronic dual-clutch is an absolute honey. It perfectly compliments the engine in standard tune, but with the Revo software change it now wants to rev more, and those snappy shifts seem even crisper.

The engine is a never-ending source of surprise. It's so smooth and effective I really can't understand why there aren't more supercharged V6s out there - no doubt emissions are the problem. It pulls hard from 2,500rpm and just builds with linear purpose to 7,000rpm. Combined with seven gear ratios and four-wheel drive the thing is devastating in just about any circumstances. The C63 AMG 507 I'm running the moment has the edge on a straight, dry road when it's spinning above 4,500rpm, but otherwise this old skip is the quicker car.

Baggy trousers
It is beginning to feel loose in the chassis department though. I want to have all the suspension off it, renew the bushes and generally give the thing some love. If there's a way of testing the electronic dampers, I'd like to do that too because they're feeling tired, even if there remains a marked difference between the comfort and sports modes. As there does for the silly dynamic steering - I can only drive it in Comfort, and even then it's not especially pleasant. I think Bilstein does a suspension kit, so I might have a look at removing the electronics.

The wheels are the only part of the scrawny aesthetics that bother me. They're completely trashed and need replacing - probably on safety grounds after the last big impact (not me). The thing is, I love the fact this car looks completely standard and will cut 100mph runs in 9.4 seconds - the last thing I want are snazzy rims. But I need 19-inchers to accommodate the big brakes, so maybe I just buy a new set of what I already have? Thoughts? Do I lose sleeper status the moment I fit some BBS? If the suspension runs a little lower, I certainly do - not the effect I'm looking for.

Those enlarged Stasis brakes have been mixed so far. They started out being very good with a reassuring pedal and far less fade, then a few months in they began grumbling under even moderate use. Now they get very, very noisy, but they do still just about hang on. I'll have the pads off to see what's going on.

Crafty old dog
Fuel consumption is five per cent worse than it was, so we're looking at a 23mpg average. This is hard to gauge though, because I strongly suspect the extra performance means whoever's driving the S4 rather revels in baiting 911s or surprising wives - I bet it actually uses no more fuel. But it really only likes the good stuff - especially Shell V-Power.

The V6 was already using around a litre of oil every 1,500 miles, and that has remained constant. The tail pipes are always black, but then it gets driven hard. Crucially, it has never emitted anything other than dense water vapour on start-up, which is more than can be said for some of my other cars.

Harris in 'Audi possibly better than AMG' shocker!
Harris in 'Audi possibly better than AMG' shocker!
It was about to be hibernated in December when videographer Neil Carey needed to head to southern France at short notice. He's not an Audi S fan, but he's grown to love this red rat-bag. "It just eats miles and it's so fast." Quite.

It sailed through its MoT first time with no advisories, showing 69,000 miles on the clock. I had a big service carried out at Forza West in Chepstow, including new plugs which appear to have been made from pure titanium. Total cost was £460.

Everything electrical works, and feels like it has every intention of continuing to do so.

When I bought this car I treated it as a one-year project. The plan was simple: add some performance, write about it, drag-race an RS4, use it to help us shoot faster cars on film and hope that it held together. After a year I was going to buy the car I really wanted: an E61 M5 touring. I started looking for one last week, and then it dawned on me that this S4 is a far, far more useful tool than an M5 would be.

It's more compact but nearly as spacious, it has more torque, it's probably faster too. It also has a moderately useable fuel range and a tired S-Tronic still kills SMG for everyday driving.

Okay the active steering is pretty horrid in sport mode and it will never trouble an M3 for balance, but in this role I just couldn't care less.

So I've been thinking what we could replace this car with, and I'm seriously struggling to name a single candidate. A B7 RS4 would be slower, less relaxing and more visible. I love AMGs, but increasingly we need traction to film supercars from 2nd gear turns on race tracks.

This is one of those strange, unsung hero cars. I've said it several times before - it really is the hidden gem in the Audi range, and given that we can pretty much assume its replacement will be turbocharged and not as easily tuneable, anyone looking for discreet, practical wheels that will nail a 550 Maranello to 100mph should buy one ASAP.


FACT SHEET
Car
: Audi S4 Avant
Run by: Chris Harris
Bought: March 2013
Mileage: 69,000, and rising rapidly
Purchase price: £15,000
Last month at a glance: Respect for the Audi grows and with it, just possibly, a bit of love too


Previous reports:
Harris takes on a family cast-off, starts fiddling immediately
Industrial cleaning vs. dog hair - who wins?
Tuned S4 vs RS4 vid

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Discussion

Dr G

Original Poster:

15,175 posts

242 months

Tuesday 21st January 2014
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I constantly bang on about how complete a car these are and there are a great many converts in the Audi/VW subforum. Nice to see a 'high profile' advocate.

Chris - did you ever look into software update for your gearbox? There's a bulletin from Audi on exactly your complaint re/ 2nd>1st.

SprintSpeciale

432 posts

145 months

Tuesday 21st January 2014
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Just refurb the current wheels. Places like Posh Wash on Park Lane can do a great job and they'll look like new. If the last whack had weakened them substantially then they would have just cracked.

Dave Hedgehog

14,555 posts

204 months

Tuesday 21st January 2014
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meh

EricE

1,945 posts

129 months

Tuesday 21st January 2014
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What model year is it? Are the newer ones any less tuneable?

I’m stuck between one of these (but newer) and a 5-door M135i X-drive right now. S4 is much larger and more practical, but the 1er is arguably large enough for my needs and should get much better milage. No idea how the X-drive compares to quattro, though.

audidoody

8,597 posts

256 months

Tuesday 21st January 2014
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Write out 100 times:

C-O-M-P-L-E-M-E-N-T-S


marctwo

3,666 posts

260 months

Tuesday 21st January 2014
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Chris please stop it. At this rate I'll be waiting until I'm dead before the prices drop enough for me to buy one. Please say they are crap.

F40GT346

211 posts

167 months

Tuesday 21st January 2014
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Chris - does yours have the sports differential fitted? In sports mode this really shifts the balance as it biases torgue to the rear. Also, did the revo mod include any changes to the gearbox software given the large increase in torque I understand some tuners make changes to the changes to help protect the gearbox. It sounds like your gearbox is holding up well since the change.

I have one of these and was contemplating getting it tuned - but having gone this route with previous cars I am still debating whether it is worth doing as it is my daily / familly car.

Chris Harris

494 posts

153 months

Tuesday 21st January 2014
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F40GT346 said:
Chris - does yours have the sports differential fitted? In sports mode this really shifts the balance as it biases torgue to the rear. Also, did the revo mod include any changes to the gearbox software given the large increase in torque I understand some tuners make changes to the changes to help protect the gearbox. It sounds like your gearbox is holding up well since the change.

I have one of these and was contemplating getting it tuned - but having gone this route with previous cars I am still debating whether it is worth doing as it is my daily / familly car.
Didn't touch the 'box - it seems fine (famous last words)

Can't see why you wouldn't have the re-map!

And yes, it does have the Sport Diff.

Dr G

Original Poster:

15,175 posts

242 months

Tuesday 21st January 2014
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EricE said:
Are the newer ones any less tuneable?
Nope, same.

SprintSpeciale said:
Just refurb the current wheels. Places like Posh Wash on Park Lane can do a great job and they'll look like new. If the last whack had weakened them substantially then they would have just cracked.
They tend to bend rather than crack. Takes a damn good whack to damage one though, they're usually excellent.

Usget

5,426 posts

211 months

Tuesday 21st January 2014
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The car's fine, but what about a picture of your dog?

Biggriff

2,312 posts

284 months

Tuesday 21st January 2014
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You horrible nasty man. I bought one on your review and it is in every way better than all my past dalliances. I like you am finding a replacement difficult. Its in a niche of one car as far as I can tell.

I cant say mine has been entirely trouble free as it had two new clutch packs and a mechatronic. Think that was £4k and so glad Audi picked that up under warranty.

On the loose suspension control feeling try an Alukreuz lower chassis stiffener and uprated anti roll bars. Made a big difference on mine as it is a big heavy old beast, but agree some bushing at 69k miles wont go amiss.


ensignia

919 posts

235 months

Tuesday 21st January 2014
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£15k was an absolute bargain for that. I paid about the same for an older S5 with the 4.2 V8.

Dave Hedgehog

14,555 posts

204 months

Tuesday 21st January 2014
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ensignia said:
£15k was an absolute bargain for that. I paid about the same for an older S5 with the 4.2 V8.
it was a shed thou

every panel and the wheels needs painting, it was way over book millage and the interior stank of dig even after a professional clean

then its had a bucket of money chucked at it in mods

Cupramax

10,480 posts

252 months

Tuesday 21st January 2014
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F40GT346 said:
Chris - does yours have the sports differential fitted? In sports mode this really shifts the balance as it biases torgue to the rear.
The sports diff apportions power across the rear wheels, not front to back. On cornering it sends more power to the loaded wheel.

Chris Harris

494 posts

153 months

Tuesday 21st January 2014
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Dave Hedgehog said:
it was a shed thou

every panel and the wheels needs painting, it was way over book millage and the interior stank of dig even after a professional clean

then its had a bucket of money chucked at it in mods
You're very angry, aren't you?

Dave Hedgehog

14,555 posts

204 months

Tuesday 21st January 2014
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Chris Harris said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
it was a shed thou

every panel and the wheels needs painting, it was way over book millage and the interior stank of dig even after a professional clean

then its had a bucket of money chucked at it in mods
You're very angry, aren't you?
sorry did not mean it come across as angry

hmmmm

the car was fairly priced for its condition?

hows that


Chris Harris

494 posts

153 months

Tuesday 21st January 2014
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Dave Hedgehog said:
sorry did not mean it come across as angry

hmmmm

the car was fairly priced for its condition?

hows that
there comes a point with any car when it's easily the cheapest available that the price doesn't fall much further. Price adjusted for maintenance to make it retail, it was probably worth £10k, but when I bought it, everything else was £20k, so it's fair to say it was worth nearer £15k.

TobesH

550 posts

207 months

Tuesday 21st January 2014
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Chris Harris said:
there comes a point with any car when it's easily the cheapest available that the price doesn't fall much further. Price adjusted for maintenance to make it retail, it was probably worth £10k, but when I bought it, everything else was £20k, so it's fair to say it was worth nearer £15k.
Mmm, there's normally a surprising amount of 'mark up' especially in the Audi and specialist retailers, however, early last year a colleague bought a 2010 B8 S4 Avant, 50k miles in a very nice titanium metallic for £21k from Audi 5 Oaks. It was a very good buy, it'd be more than that now it would appear. They do seem to be holding their value rather well.

Chris, it's a keeper for a sure

ItsJustARide

108 posts

157 months

Tuesday 21st January 2014
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Canada doesn't get the current model S4 in Avant. Presumably because Canadians (and Americans?) don't seem to like "wagons". How does the previous model 4.2 V8 stack up in comparison? In the '98 S8 I had it was a lovely engine at least.

Emigrating to Vancouver was one of the better decisions of my life but 7 years on it still pains me to have lost so much petrolhead goodness. However, there is a Caterham dealer on Vancouver Island, so here's to small mercies.

Matthew Clarke

301 posts

139 months

Tuesday 21st January 2014
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N55 335i Touring

Cheaper running costs, easily chipped, RWD, but not quite as big..