Weatherspoons Pubs on the Motorway.
Discussion
creampuff said:
Laplace said:
Can't say I've ever been tempted to stop for a pint when I pass numerous pubs during non-motorway driving. What's the difference?
You probably not an alcoholic. Pubs on a motorway seems like one of the stupidest ideas ever.
How are they going to get all the crumpled old pissheads there for opening time in the morning ? it wont be a Wetherspoons without them, perhaps they will bus them in with those blokes who hang round the Arcade machines all day ?
Imagine it on a sunny Bank Holiday afternoon, will be carnage, not so much in drink driving, but in grassed areas covered in pissed up mutants and Magners bottles and vomit all over the place, for most of the public it will be a no go zone
I think people should be given the choice, but, they should be pounced on and breathalysed if there is the merest hint that they have over indulged, the Police may see it as shooting fish in a Barrel, so probably stupid for anyone driving to have more than a half.
Imagine it on a sunny Bank Holiday afternoon, will be carnage, not so much in drink driving, but in grassed areas covered in pissed up mutants and Magners bottles and vomit all over the place, for most of the public it will be a no go zone
I think people should be given the choice, but, they should be pounced on and breathalysed if there is the merest hint that they have over indulged, the Police may see it as shooting fish in a Barrel, so probably stupid for anyone driving to have more than a half.
HTP99 said:
creampuff said:
Laplace said:
Can't say I've ever been tempted to stop for a pint when I pass numerous pubs during non-motorway driving. What's the difference?
You probably not an alcoholic. Pubs on a motorway seems like one of the stupidest ideas ever.
essayer said:
This will do well precisely because all the other pubs in Beaconsfield are s
t, a rip off or both
I lived in Beaconsfield for 35 years and I agree! Royal Standard is where I took my leisure from time to time. Note NOT 'Royal Standard of England't, a rip off or bothHTP99 said:
On the same services on the M40 myself and the wife purchased food from the Mexican; to drink there was the usual coke, water, fanta etc and also you could get beer, i'm pretty sure you could also get wine from the M&S and I've definately seen beer and wine at BP garages elsewhere.
I believe my local BP garage has a M&S shop attached that sells alcohol. Never been tempted to get a 6 pack for my trip.Krikkit said:
treetops said:
Buff Mchugelarge said:
Like a honey trap for stupid people.
So what are you saying.... that all supermarkets, pubs, shops and basically anywhere that sells alcohol within what a mile, 2 miles, 3 miles of a motorway should be banned from selling booze???Wetherspoons make a big deal out of their food, teas and coffee and soft drinks - not just booze.
Give that man biscuit
Anyone who drives over the limit is obviously a bit dim and don't deserve to drive, but why should that stop the rest of us having more choice?
Cue Daily Mail article with sloppy journalism, inaccurate statistics, sensationalist straplines and pictures of smashed cars, a police patrol car parked next to a motorway junction and a gratuitous picture of an attractive young lady with a low-cut top that has absolutely nothing to do with the article 
Foppo said:
Not a bad idea,if it is cheaper to have a bite to eat than the high price service stations we have now on our Motorways.
Not to have four pints and carry on your merryway.>
It seems very logical business sense to milk coach loads of Stabby McFightclubs before they are rinsed dry by the Wembley machine. Not to have four pints and carry on your merryway.>
The fact that they plan real ale suggests they expect a lot of die hard Man U fans to be stopping off on their way to home games also.
Plus, with it being a Wetherspoons they will get the school coaches going to the Model village.
Escort3500 said:
Cue Daily Mail article with sloppy journalism, inaccurate statistics, sensationalist straplines and pictures of smashed cars, a police patrol car parked next to a motorway junction and a gratuitous picture of an attractive young lady with a low-cut top that has absolutely nothing to do with the article
Don't forget photos of local mansions and something about immigrant labour at the petrol station. treetops said:
Buff Mchugelarge said:
Like a honey trap for stupid people.
So what are you saying.... that all supermarkets, pubs, shops and basically anywhere that sells alcohol within what a mile, 2 miles, 3 miles of a motorway should be banned from selling booze???Wetherspoons make a big deal out of their food, teas and coffee and soft drinks - not just booze.
ralphrj said:
Main reasons they are expensive:
1. If the site is in between junctions then construction of the service area and deliveries of goods to it can be more expensive due to the extra distance they have to travel. Before 1992 the government built the sites and leased them to the operators and most were built in between junctions. In 1992 the rules were changed to allow the operator to choose where to build a new site (and fund it themselves) and most immediately opted to build services at junctions as this was significantly cheaper (you only need a single site rather than one on each side). This was changed again by the last government who ruled that services must now be built between junctions wherever possible.
2. Unlike in other countries the operator must pay for the whole site including the slip roads. Most other countries just lease the buildings to the operators and meet the rest of the costs from general taxation or road tolls.
3. The government has over the years restricted attempts by the operators to increase the number of shops (to prevent them from becoming shopping malls) or to decrease costs (operators can not build new services on one side only with a bridge over the motorway).
4. Certain facilities must be provided free of charge and 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. Each site must provide fee parking up to 2 hours. Each site must provide free toilet facilities 24 hours a day. I think that there is also a requirement for them to have hot food on sale 24 hours a day too (not totally sure about that one). Full service areas have to have fuel on sale 24 hours a day.
In summary it is government regulations that have made service areas expensive to operate and it is the government that has limited the areas that operators can recover those costs to mainly food and fuel. As a result, food and fuel at service areas is expensive.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/237412/dft-circular-strategic-road.pdf1. If the site is in between junctions then construction of the service area and deliveries of goods to it can be more expensive due to the extra distance they have to travel. Before 1992 the government built the sites and leased them to the operators and most were built in between junctions. In 1992 the rules were changed to allow the operator to choose where to build a new site (and fund it themselves) and most immediately opted to build services at junctions as this was significantly cheaper (you only need a single site rather than one on each side). This was changed again by the last government who ruled that services must now be built between junctions wherever possible.
2. Unlike in other countries the operator must pay for the whole site including the slip roads. Most other countries just lease the buildings to the operators and meet the rest of the costs from general taxation or road tolls.
3. The government has over the years restricted attempts by the operators to increase the number of shops (to prevent them from becoming shopping malls) or to decrease costs (operators can not build new services on one side only with a bridge over the motorway).
4. Certain facilities must be provided free of charge and 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. Each site must provide fee parking up to 2 hours. Each site must provide free toilet facilities 24 hours a day. I think that there is also a requirement for them to have hot food on sale 24 hours a day too (not totally sure about that one). Full service areas have to have fuel on sale 24 hours a day.
In summary it is government regulations that have made service areas expensive to operate and it is the government that has limited the areas that operators can recover those costs to mainly food and fuel. As a result, food and fuel at service areas is expensive.
Search DfT circular 02/13
Annex B is the answer,
Page 17 for the simple guide, Msa's have to meet those requirements to be signed that is why Tesco/Asda etc are not signed off motorways at the moment.
The only difference between this 'pub' and another is that the ' overall site' is signed from the motorway if the pub was on a retail park next to a 'Motorway' service area the whingers probably couldn't work out the difference.
The 'pop in bar' has been going for years
http://motorwayservicesonline.co.uk/Lymm
DonkeyApple said:
Escort3500 said:
Cue Daily Mail article with sloppy journalism, inaccurate statistics, sensationalist straplines and pictures of smashed cars, a police patrol car parked next to a motorway junction and a gratuitous picture of an attractive young lady with a low-cut top that has absolutely nothing to do with the article
Don't forget photos of local mansions and something about immigrant labour at the petrol station. I'll have 10 gallons and one pint please barman!
Trust the Daily Wail to have this on their page today
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2543573/9-...
Trust the Daily Wail to have this on their page today
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2543573/9-...
Have we not overlooked something, cost!
Does anyone know how much a pint costs?? If it's anything like the mark up on other food/drink then I'd be amazed if there are any <£2 a pint deals like you would find in a normal *spoons.
I was once bought a book titled something like "best pubs to avoid motorway services" or something along those line and there are loads of pubs near motorways!
In general terms like everything in life 1% might spoil it for the masses and that must be deemed a suitable risk.
Does anyone know how much a pint costs?? If it's anything like the mark up on other food/drink then I'd be amazed if there are any <£2 a pint deals like you would find in a normal *spoons.
I was once bought a book titled something like "best pubs to avoid motorway services" or something along those line and there are loads of pubs near motorways!
In general terms like everything in life 1% might spoil it for the masses and that must be deemed a suitable risk.
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