RE: VW confirms Polo R
Discussion
zeduffman said:
Mk4 R32 weighs 200kg more than this and has less power
Mk5 300kg more and same power, but less torque
Not really the same package at all... And the engine in the Polo R will be much more tuneable. You won't need a £5000 supercharger kit to see the good side of 300hp.
Do we know how much the Polo will weigh? I can't see it listed in this article of the linked Autocar one.Mk5 300kg more and same power, but less torque
Not really the same package at all... And the engine in the Polo R will be much more tuneable. You won't need a £5000 supercharger kit to see the good side of 300hp.
BTW if you 300hp there has to be better ways than buying a Polo.
Has anyone read this article:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/volkswagen/pol...
"In the short time we've driven it so far, very good. Even a brief drive around a frozen lake will tell you the Polo R has potential."
NOTE: driven on ice only and for a short period of time.
Yet somehow Autocar from the above statement manage to claim:
"The Polo R is happy to be pushed hard and responds to quick changes of direction with compelling resolve"
"new found nimbleness brought on by the adoption of new multi-link rear suspension that sets it apart from every other Polo model. "
What a load of b
ks!!! 
But rather amusing that they can make such claims on such little testing and not even on tarmac. 
300bhp/ton said:
Think you need to try a 3rd reading 
As it's nothing like the GTiR in concept, ethos or finished article.
Are you hard of thinking??? As it's nothing like the GTiR in concept, ethos or finished article.Plusar GTIR:
Small hatch
4wd
Tunable turbo engine
Polo R:
Small hatch
4wd
Tunable turbo engine
If anything the polo will be nicer inside, and benefit from VW's e-diffs maybe.
trialsta said:
Didn't we recently have an article about the death of the rally rep?
Hopefully this is the start of their rebirth!
Amen to that!Hopefully this is the start of their rebirth!
I spoke to a VW rep at Wales Rally GB, asking them if they were going to build a car to celebrate the WRC championship win. The reply was that they already had, which was the Polo R WRC limited edition.
The fact it didn't figure as significant in the original question was point made!
budgie smuggler said:
I assume this has Haldex AWD like other VWs. Is that effectively 2WD in slippery conditions or is there a locking diff at each end?
Always good news have performance oriented versions released
99% of the time you wont feel any wheel slip and in the worst case it reacts in 1/8th of a wheel rotationAlways good news have performance oriented versions released
hopefully it will also have torque vectoring like the new R Golf / S3
JB! said:
Are you hard of thinking???
Plusar GTIR:
Small hatch
4wd
Tunable turbo engine
Polo R:
Small hatch
4wd
Tunable turbo engine
If anything the polo will be nicer inside, and benefit from VW's e-diffs maybe.
The Nissan was built to homologate for rally use. It was a car with competition purpose.Plusar GTIR:
Small hatch
4wd
Tunable turbo engine
Polo R:
Small hatch
4wd
Tunable turbo engine
If anything the polo will be nicer inside, and benefit from VW's e-diffs maybe.
The Polo is just rehashing current VAG items that have all appeared on multiple VAG vehicles already and is using marketing BS to make people think it might somehow be related to a rally car.
To me they are complete opposites.
mini me said:
Makes you laugh this place doesnt it.
Ford to make Focus RS with 300 BHP and FWD. PH says it will be rubbish, should have made it 4WD.
VAG to make Polo R with 250 BHP and 4WD. PH says it will be lardy and rubbish and the 4WD will be pants.
I know right, imagine such a large community of people and all of them having different opinions.Ford to make Focus RS with 300 BHP and FWD. PH says it will be rubbish, should have made it 4WD.
VAG to make Polo R with 250 BHP and 4WD. PH says it will be lardy and rubbish and the 4WD will be pants.
scherzkeks said:
budgie smuggler said:
I assume this has Haldex AWD like other VWs. Is that effectively 2WD in slippery conditions or is there a locking diff at each end?
Always good news have performance oriented versions released
It's predictive/proactive and always has at least 15% of power going to the rear. In sports driving (cornering and always during acceleration) it usually runs near 50/50 before any slip apppears. On slip it can do rear bias. It is calibrated more or less to drive like the old Torsens.Always good news have performance oriented versions released
Dave Hedgehog said:
99% of the time you wont feel any wheel slip and in the worst case it reacts in 1/8th of a wheel rotation
hopefully it will also have torque vectoring like the new R Golf / S3
Thanks both hopefully it will also have torque vectoring like the new R Golf / S3
I thought I might add some perspective here for thee young 'uns.
There is quite a bit of "meh" going on. "It will be overweight, the AWD will be crap, it will understeer, I'll chip it up to 300 bhp, etc."
Basic stats are 250bhp; 280lbft; 1350kg (say) and £25,000 (say). All in a car that will probably need to be serviced every 18,000 miles with minimum attention in between, will have a 3 year warranty, and will run for 100,000 miles without any major issues.
I recently acquired a 1961 Maserati 3500GTI for restoration. The specifications are remarkably similar. 235bhp; 260lbft; 1430kg. The weight figure is with all fluids and a full tank, so the quoted figure these days would probably be more like 1350kg. However, in 1961 you would have to have paid the equivalent in today's money of £200,000 to buy the Maserati. It cost the same as three contemporary Mercedes SLs, and was more expensive than a DB5. And good luck expecting to run it for 18,000 miles with no major expenditure...
Sometimes, I don't think we realise just how spoiled we are with modern cars!
There is quite a bit of "meh" going on. "It will be overweight, the AWD will be crap, it will understeer, I'll chip it up to 300 bhp, etc."
Basic stats are 250bhp; 280lbft; 1350kg (say) and £25,000 (say). All in a car that will probably need to be serviced every 18,000 miles with minimum attention in between, will have a 3 year warranty, and will run for 100,000 miles without any major issues.
I recently acquired a 1961 Maserati 3500GTI for restoration. The specifications are remarkably similar. 235bhp; 260lbft; 1430kg. The weight figure is with all fluids and a full tank, so the quoted figure these days would probably be more like 1350kg. However, in 1961 you would have to have paid the equivalent in today's money of £200,000 to buy the Maserati. It cost the same as three contemporary Mercedes SLs, and was more expensive than a DB5. And good luck expecting to run it for 18,000 miles with no major expenditure...
Sometimes, I don't think we realise just how spoiled we are with modern cars!
Audi S1 launches late 2014 early spring 2015...
I know i seen it and touched it in Munich while working for Audi....
No torque vectoring & Haldex 4x4 system....
Only in DSG or S Tronic as audi call it as manual is too slow....
0-60 is DSG /Stronic form is quicker and it is impossible (unless getting Gearbox re-map) to damage your engine by over run like is possible in a manual on a downshift while on the serious boot!
VW will be priced around the 22k starting point i would say as the Audi will start at 24k-ish apparantly.
oh and i cant see it stealing sales from the golf GTI/R32 or S3 due to the fact that people buy bigger cars because they need bigger cars not because you want power and cant get it in a small package as we all know you can....
I know i seen it and touched it in Munich while working for Audi....
No torque vectoring & Haldex 4x4 system....
Only in DSG or S Tronic as audi call it as manual is too slow....
0-60 is DSG /Stronic form is quicker and it is impossible (unless getting Gearbox re-map) to damage your engine by over run like is possible in a manual on a downshift while on the serious boot!
VW will be priced around the 22k starting point i would say as the Audi will start at 24k-ish apparantly.
oh and i cant see it stealing sales from the golf GTI/R32 or S3 due to the fact that people buy bigger cars because they need bigger cars not because you want power and cant get it in a small package as we all know you can....
Agdavie said:
sorry i meant to say
"No torque vectoring but has a Haldex 4x4 system"
torque vectoring can be done on haldex 5 via sensors and brakes application, its an enhancement on the ediff system, there's a vid on your tube explaining it"No torque vectoring but has a Haldex 4x4 system"
i just hope its fitted, will make this car a pocket rocket when tuned properly
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