RE: VW confirms Polo R
Discussion
Dave it should have torque vectoring i agree, but Audi said that will not be putting it onto the car as standard as it then becomes very close to the performance of the S3 and they want to keep a small difference in performance.
When in munich i found out a very interesting piece of information:-
Do you realise that if you take the new A3 in sline form with the 2.0 TFSI quattro and Stronic and change 3 parts in the engine bay (which they wouldnt disclose but told us that 2k would cover parts and labour in a main dealer) it will give you the same performance as the S3.....
so really its about creating enough of a difference so the models dont tread on each others feet...
Which is why the RS4 with performance pack gets de-restricted to 174 and the RS6 gets de-restricted to 186....
When in munich i found out a very interesting piece of information:-
Do you realise that if you take the new A3 in sline form with the 2.0 TFSI quattro and Stronic and change 3 parts in the engine bay (which they wouldnt disclose but told us that 2k would cover parts and labour in a main dealer) it will give you the same performance as the S3.....
so really its about creating enough of a difference so the models dont tread on each others feet...
Which is why the RS4 with performance pack gets de-restricted to 174 and the RS6 gets de-restricted to 186....
Agdavie said:
Dave it should have torque vectoring i agree, but Audi said that will not be putting it onto the car as standard as it then becomes very close to the performance of the S3 and they want to keep a small difference in performance.
When in munich i found out a very interesting piece of information:-
Do you realise that if you take the new A3 in sline form with the 2.0 TFSI quattro and Stronic and change 3 parts in the engine bay (which they wouldnt disclose but told us that 2k would cover parts and labour in a main dealer) it will give you the same performance as the S3.....
so really its about creating enough of a difference so the models dont tread on each others feet...
Which is why the RS4 with performance pack gets de-restricted to 174 and the RS6 gets de-restricted to 186....
bloody VAG marketing grrrrr, bugs me that the TTRS and RS3 had their power gimped, they run happily at 400bhp but as you say it will not fit in with the marketing strategy .. When in munich i found out a very interesting piece of information:-
Do you realise that if you take the new A3 in sline form with the 2.0 TFSI quattro and Stronic and change 3 parts in the engine bay (which they wouldnt disclose but told us that 2k would cover parts and labour in a main dealer) it will give you the same performance as the S3.....
so really its about creating enough of a difference so the models dont tread on each others feet...
Which is why the RS4 with performance pack gets de-restricted to 174 and the RS6 gets de-restricted to 186....
Agdavie said:
Dave it should have torque vectoring i agree, but Audi said that will not be putting it onto the car as standard as it then becomes very close to the performance of the S3 and they want to keep a small difference in performance.
When in munich i found out a very interesting piece of information:-
Do you realise that if you take the new A3 in sline form with the 2.0 TFSI quattro and Stronic and change 3 parts in the engine bay (which they wouldnt disclose but told us that 2k would cover parts and labour in a main dealer) it will give you the same performance as the S3.....
so really its about creating enough of a difference so the models dont tread on each others feet...
Which is why the RS4 with performance pack gets de-restricted to 174 and the RS6 gets de-restricted to 186....
Not sure what you mean by performance here -- just the engine? The overall chassis changes were more extensive: S3s always had additional alu suspension parts and stouter bushings, upgraded drivetrain parts to handle engine torque reliably, revised geometry, and revised Haldex calibration. When in munich i found out a very interesting piece of information:-
Do you realise that if you take the new A3 in sline form with the 2.0 TFSI quattro and Stronic and change 3 parts in the engine bay (which they wouldnt disclose but told us that 2k would cover parts and labour in a main dealer) it will give you the same performance as the S3.....
so really its about creating enough of a difference so the models dont tread on each others feet...
Which is why the RS4 with performance pack gets de-restricted to 174 and the RS6 gets de-restricted to 186....
yes i did mean purely performance as in power from the engine.
You can get the rest into check as well but as my German friend told me that if you were going to do this rather than buy an S3 he would buy a an S-Line and do the engine as mentioned above but would use his own set up for Suspension, drive train and Haldex calibration etc as you can tune it to your own driving style rather than having the generic Audi 1 size fits all version....
If you want off the shelf power without any come backs then buy an S3! if you want power but honed to your driving style buy an S-Line and make it your own 1 off as the power and handling could be bought for a similar amount to what the S3 would cost over and above the standard car.... down side is no warranties after you've butchered it into a Frankenstein esque monster!!
You can get the rest into check as well but as my German friend told me that if you were going to do this rather than buy an S3 he would buy a an S-Line and do the engine as mentioned above but would use his own set up for Suspension, drive train and Haldex calibration etc as you can tune it to your own driving style rather than having the generic Audi 1 size fits all version....
If you want off the shelf power without any come backs then buy an S3! if you want power but honed to your driving style buy an S-Line and make it your own 1 off as the power and handling could be bought for a similar amount to what the S3 would cost over and above the standard car.... down side is no warranties after you've butchered it into a Frankenstein esque monster!!
Agdavie said:
yes i did mean purely performance as in power from the engine.
You can get the rest into check as well but as my German friend told me that if you were going to do this rather than buy an S3 he would buy a an S-Line and do the engine as mentioned above but would use his own set up for Suspension, drive train and Haldex calibration etc as you can tune it to your own driving style rather than having the generic Audi 1 size fits all version....
If you want off the shelf power without any come backs then buy an S3! if you want power but honed to your driving style buy an S-Line and make it your own 1 off as the power and handling could be bought for a similar amount to what the S3 would cost over and above the standard car.... down side is no warranties after you've butchered it into a Frankenstein esque monster!!
I'd think that buying the S and doing a stage one tune was cheaper, unless you plan to tune to silly power levels. As for the Haldex, Audi uses a sportier calibration for its S and RS models than it does for the normal A range. From the numbers I have seen, aftermarket controllers don't offer any appreciable difference in rear wheel engagement vs. the stock sport version. You can get the rest into check as well but as my German friend told me that if you were going to do this rather than buy an S3 he would buy a an S-Line and do the engine as mentioned above but would use his own set up for Suspension, drive train and Haldex calibration etc as you can tune it to your own driving style rather than having the generic Audi 1 size fits all version....
If you want off the shelf power without any come backs then buy an S3! if you want power but honed to your driving style buy an S-Line and make it your own 1 off as the power and handling could be bought for a similar amount to what the S3 would cost over and above the standard car.... down side is no warranties after you've butchered it into a Frankenstein esque monster!!
SprintSpeciale said:
I thought I might add some perspective here for thee young 'uns.
There is quite a bit of "meh" going on. "It will be overweight, the AWD will be crap, it will understeer, I'll chip it up to 300 bhp, etc."
Basic stats are 250bhp; 280lbft; 1350kg (say) and £25,000 (say). All in a car that will probably need to be serviced every 18,000 miles with minimum attention in between, will have a 3 year warranty, and will run for 100,000 miles without any major issues.
I recently acquired a 1961 Maserati 3500GTI for restoration. The specifications are remarkably similar. 235bhp; 260lbft; 1430kg. The weight figure is with all fluids and a full tank, so the quoted figure these days would probably be more like 1350kg. However, in 1961 you would have to have paid the equivalent in today's money of £200,000 to buy the Maserati. It cost the same as three contemporary Mercedes SLs, and was more expensive than a DB5. And good luck expecting to run it for 18,000 miles with no major expenditure...
Sometimes, I don't think we realise just how spoiled we are with modern cars!
Or you could buy a 280hp Impreza STI for under £3k and have a much better driving experience and performance than the Polo is offering.There is quite a bit of "meh" going on. "It will be overweight, the AWD will be crap, it will understeer, I'll chip it up to 300 bhp, etc."
Basic stats are 250bhp; 280lbft; 1350kg (say) and £25,000 (say). All in a car that will probably need to be serviced every 18,000 miles with minimum attention in between, will have a 3 year warranty, and will run for 100,000 miles without any major issues.
I recently acquired a 1961 Maserati 3500GTI for restoration. The specifications are remarkably similar. 235bhp; 260lbft; 1430kg. The weight figure is with all fluids and a full tank, so the quoted figure these days would probably be more like 1350kg. However, in 1961 you would have to have paid the equivalent in today's money of £200,000 to buy the Maserati. It cost the same as three contemporary Mercedes SLs, and was more expensive than a DB5. And good luck expecting to run it for 18,000 miles with no major expenditure...
Sometimes, I don't think we realise just how spoiled we are with modern cars!
300bhp/ton said:
SprintSpeciale said:
I thought I might add some perspective here for thee young 'uns.
There is quite a bit of "meh" going on. "It will be overweight, the AWD will be crap, it will understeer, I'll chip it up to 300 bhp, etc."
Basic stats are 250bhp; 280lbft; 1350kg (say) and £25,000 (say). All in a car that will probably need to be serviced every 18,000 miles with minimum attention in between, will have a 3 year warranty, and will run for 100,000 miles without any major issues.
I recently acquired a 1961 Maserati 3500GTI for restoration. The specifications are remarkably similar. 235bhp; 260lbft; 1430kg. The weight figure is with all fluids and a full tank, so the quoted figure these days would probably be more like 1350kg. However, in 1961 you would have to have paid the equivalent in today's money of £200,000 to buy the Maserati. It cost the same as three contemporary Mercedes SLs, and was more expensive than a DB5. And good luck expecting to run it for 18,000 miles with no major expenditure...
Sometimes, I don't think we realise just how spoiled we are with modern cars!
Or you could buy a 280hp Impreza STI for under £3k and have a much better driving experience and performance than the Polo is offering.There is quite a bit of "meh" going on. "It will be overweight, the AWD will be crap, it will understeer, I'll chip it up to 300 bhp, etc."
Basic stats are 250bhp; 280lbft; 1350kg (say) and £25,000 (say). All in a car that will probably need to be serviced every 18,000 miles with minimum attention in between, will have a 3 year warranty, and will run for 100,000 miles without any major issues.
I recently acquired a 1961 Maserati 3500GTI for restoration. The specifications are remarkably similar. 235bhp; 260lbft; 1430kg. The weight figure is with all fluids and a full tank, so the quoted figure these days would probably be more like 1350kg. However, in 1961 you would have to have paid the equivalent in today's money of £200,000 to buy the Maserati. It cost the same as three contemporary Mercedes SLs, and was more expensive than a DB5. And good luck expecting to run it for 18,000 miles with no major expenditure...
Sometimes, I don't think we realise just how spoiled we are with modern cars!
MonkeyMatt said:
300bhp/ton said:
SprintSpeciale said:
I thought I might add some perspective here for thee young 'uns.
There is quite a bit of "meh" going on. "It will be overweight, the AWD will be crap, it will understeer, I'll chip it up to 300 bhp, etc."
Basic stats are 250bhp; 280lbft; 1350kg (say) and £25,000 (say). All in a car that will probably need to be serviced every 18,000 miles with minimum attention in between, will have a 3 year warranty, and will run for 100,000 miles without any major issues.
I recently acquired a 1961 Maserati 3500GTI for restoration. The specifications are remarkably similar. 235bhp; 260lbft; 1430kg. The weight figure is with all fluids and a full tank, so the quoted figure these days would probably be more like 1350kg. However, in 1961 you would have to have paid the equivalent in today's money of £200,000 to buy the Maserati. It cost the same as three contemporary Mercedes SLs, and was more expensive than a DB5. And good luck expecting to run it for 18,000 miles with no major expenditure...
Sometimes, I don't think we realise just how spoiled we are with modern cars!
Or you could buy a 280hp Impreza STI for under £3k and have a much better driving experience and performance than the Polo is offering.There is quite a bit of "meh" going on. "It will be overweight, the AWD will be crap, it will understeer, I'll chip it up to 300 bhp, etc."
Basic stats are 250bhp; 280lbft; 1350kg (say) and £25,000 (say). All in a car that will probably need to be serviced every 18,000 miles with minimum attention in between, will have a 3 year warranty, and will run for 100,000 miles without any major issues.
I recently acquired a 1961 Maserati 3500GTI for restoration. The specifications are remarkably similar. 235bhp; 260lbft; 1430kg. The weight figure is with all fluids and a full tank, so the quoted figure these days would probably be more like 1350kg. However, in 1961 you would have to have paid the equivalent in today's money of £200,000 to buy the Maserati. It cost the same as three contemporary Mercedes SLs, and was more expensive than a DB5. And good luck expecting to run it for 18,000 miles with no major expenditure...
Sometimes, I don't think we realise just how spoiled we are with modern cars!
300bhp/ton said:
Or you could buy a 280hp Impreza STI for under £3k and have a much better driving experience and performance than the Polo is offering.
300BHP in "idiotic comparison between old and new car" shocker.Nearly thirty thousand posts on this forum and you've still not learned how stupid this train of thought is?
Jesus wept.
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For the sake of humouring your line of thought, how much would an Impreza STI from, say 2002 be in real/current money? About what, £16k back in 200? That's £22k today, or about what the Polo is supposed to be on sale for.
Edited by ManOpener on Thursday 23 January 15:50
Dave Hedgehog said:
Phil Dicky said:
I think it looks little too understated, would like a little bit more flash to make it stand out. Or I missing the point?
yessubaru can help you out
Typical moronic keyboard driver comment. I hope you yourself are not overweight and not carrying excess baggage.
Go buy a f
king Prius
Go buy a f
king PriusAxionknight said:
I wonder what it weights and how the 4WD is set up? I bet it's a proper porker and if the 4WD is 50/50 split then to me it's just another fat, ugly VAG pudding.
Pass.
Pass.
+1 its good to know some manufacturers are still producing models for petrol heads, even though numpties here on PH don't seem to appreciate them. Maybe its jealousy as they cant afford it.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Good on Volkswagen for giving it a go and I hope it is a great little car.
I just wish they would increase the wheel arches more to make it look even closer to the WRC car.
Now in my view that would be perfect
I just wish they would increase the wheel arches more to make it look even closer to the WRC car.
Now in my view that would be perfect
LasseV said:
Boooooring....
+mini me said:
Axionknight said:
I wonder what it weights and how the 4WD is set up? I bet it's a proper porker and if the 4WD is 50/50 split then to me it's just another fat, ugly VAG pudding.
Pass.
Makes you laugh this place doesnt it.Pass.
Ford to make Focus RS with 300 BHP and FWD. PH says it will be rubbish, should have made it 4WD.
VAG to make Polo R with 250 BHP and 4WD. PH says it will be lardy and rubbish and the 4WD will be pants.
If it wasn't a VAG product it would receive more praise. If Citreon announced the new DS3 was going to get 250hp and 4wd or Ford said a new Fiesta ST was going to be the same spec it would be deemed a lot better.
300bhp/ton said:
Or you could buy a 280hp Impreza STI for under £3k and have a much better driving experience and performance than the Polo is offering.
Right.My point was simply that a new modern car offers performance levels that cost uber-car money in the late 50s/early 60s, and that soemtimes we lose sight of that.
Your response is that second hand cars cost less than new ones.
You are undoubtedly true, but I am not sure what it has to do with my post.
LasseV said:
Boooooring....
+mini me said:
Axionknight said:
I wonder what it weights and how the 4WD is set up? I bet it's a proper porker and if the 4WD is 50/50 split then to me it's just another fat, ugly VAG pudding.
Pass.
Makes you laugh this place doesnt it.Pass.
Ford to make Focus RS with 300 BHP and FWD. PH says it will be rubbish, should have made it 4WD.
VAG to make Polo R with 250 BHP and 4WD. PH says it will be lardy and rubbish and the 4WD will be pants.
If it wasn't a VAG product it would receive more praise. If Citreon announced the new DS3 was going to get 250hp and 4wd or Ford said a new Fiesta ST was going to be the same spec it would be deemed a lot better.
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