Surprise, car write off, crap settlement figure!

Surprise, car write off, crap settlement figure!

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Sir Bagalot

6,479 posts

181 months

Friday 24th January 2014
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deltashad said:
I was very fortunate to buy the car in July last year for 15,500ukp. It was a the time well below market value as the seller needed a quick sale for a house deposit. (don't have a pound sign on my keyboard)
Market value is what cars sell for in the real world. Easiest way to determine this is completed ebay auctions and WBAC valuation. Anything else IMHO is a bonus.

You could call some dealers and ask them a realistic private sale price

Vyse

1,224 posts

124 months

Friday 24th January 2014
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What insurance company are you using?

nipsips

1,163 posts

135 months

Friday 24th January 2014
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The ombudsman wont do anything apart from check that your insurer has acted within the terms and conditions of your policy and treated you fairly.

Get your insurer to do a three guide value if you cant find any examples, bear in mind most insurers are market value based - not agreed value. It doesnt matter what you think the car is worth simply what it is worth.

deltashad

Original Poster:

6,731 posts

197 months

Friday 24th January 2014
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I'm not sure what the insurance company is for the Elise it's under her policy (Gosh, shock horror!!)

The problem i'm now finding is the lack of cars which on the market anywhere near as nice for a reasonable price. I've not been looking at the market until today. It's not good.

deltashad

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6,731 posts

197 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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I called the insurance company today, '1st choice'.
They had no idea what was happening with the car so kept me on the 0800 line for what seemed like eternity and called the assessors.

I was given the same story. Due to the car having 'extras' it doesn't look like it will be a write off. They haven't decided yet. I should find out by Wednesday. If they don't call me then I shall harass them on Thursday.
Looks like I'm going to have to be on their backs or nothing is going to happen.
That's over six weeks past...

BlueMR2

8,655 posts

202 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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deltashad said:
I called the insurance company today, '1st choice'.
They had no idea what was happening with the car so kept me on the 0800 line for what seemed like eternity and called the assessors.

I was given the same story. Due to the car having 'extras' it doesn't look like it will be a write off. They haven't decided yet. I should find out by Wednesday. If they don't call me then I shall harass them on Thursday.
Looks like I'm going to have to be on their backs or nothing is going to happen.
That's over six weeks past...
Have they given you a hire car? It must be starting to get expensive for them.

Podie

46,630 posts

275 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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Remind them that you own the car, not them.

You have the right to choose who repairs the car - not the insurer. Get an independent view. The insurance company just want it turned round at their convenience.

Find out your rights. Make notes after every call.

Edited by Podie on Monday 27th January 19:22

New POD

3,851 posts

150 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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What I did:

1) Go on EVERY car sales website, and print off every car, which was RETAIL, that had a higher price, higher miles, lower spec, older registration date, and all combinations of those, and then plot a number of graphs, to show that mine would have an advertised price at twice what they'd offered.

2) Blind them with statistics and graphs and 47 adverts, and keep doing it with every new advert, every day, until I'd ground their 'loss adjuster' into submission.

Zoobeef

6,004 posts

158 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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I managed to move the value of my first vx220 from about £9k too £13k as a settlement.
I then bought it back for £3250 and sold it in its still written off state for £5500 smile


Cutmore

127 posts

155 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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My only experience is, check they wrote the correct spec down.

I got bit extra money out of my insurers, because they missed the car had cruise control.

Edited by Cutmore on Monday 27th January 20:41

Zoobeef

6,004 posts

158 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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Or ask them to replace it like for like and see where they get a magic bargain elise from smile

dacouch

1,172 posts

129 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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deltashad

Original Poster:

6,731 posts

197 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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I didn't want to go this way but the next step is to ask for a hire car.
Taking it out of their recommended repairer and into the lotus approved one (on the instructions of lotus service manager), took away my rights for a rental.
I'm not sure where I stand on this one but my girlfriend is running my Mercedes and the fuel costs are killing her.
I asked to buy it back from them if deemed written off but am told it's against their policy. I would happily buy it from them and have it repaired.

Informing them it had leather seats seems to have swayed them a little, although I honestly can't see how this would increase the value of a lightweight sports car.

Zippee

13,463 posts

234 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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deltashad said:
I didn't want to go this way but the next step is to ask for a hire car.
Taking it out of their recommended repairer and into the lotus approved one (on the instructions of lotus service manager), took away my rights for a rental.
I'm not sure where I stand on this one but my girlfriend is running my Mercedes and the fuel costs are killing her.
I asked to buy it back from them if deemed written off but am told it's against their policy. I would happily buy it from them and have it repaired.

Informing them it had leather seats seems to have swayed them a little, although I honestly can't see how this would increase the value of a lightweight sports car.
If it's a fault claim it's very unlikely you'll get a hire car if you decide on your own repairer. With an Elise or anything specialist though, using your own repairer is a must to get a proper job done.

so called

9,090 posts

209 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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I wrote of my Tuscan back in 2009.
The Insurance Valuer called to tell me 14k quid which was a little more than I'd paid (so good offer really).
I had searched the market and countered with 15k but he told me he had also checked the market and found several similar and wanted to stick with 14k.
He offered to check again and came back the next day with the same offer. He even e-mailed me the cars he had found.
The guy was very decent to deal with as were the people at Tesco Insurance.

I havn't looked at the market for yours but there cant be that many for sale.
Hope you get it sorted.

I'm shocked at how long they are taking.

deltashad

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6,731 posts

197 months

Tuesday 28th January 2014
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so called said:
I havn't looked at the market for yours but there cant be that many for sale.
Hope you get it sorted.

I'm shocked at how long they are taking.
This is the biggest problem now. The lack of anything decent on the market which interests me for the right price.

It's partly my fault for the time it's taken to do nothing. I had no choice to remove the car from the recommended repairer, I'd spoken to a few people about their quality of work, the reports were pretty dreadful to say the least, and this was with standard white goods cars.
I doubt if they had much, if any experience with the preparation and work which goes into painting a fibreglass car.
It was too big a gamble leaving it in there. The Lotus approved workshop has probably escalated the repair bill, which I expected, but at least I'll have peace of mind that the paintwork won't go off in a years time. I just never expected it to be so close to written off. The damage isn't that bad!
Anyhow, the messing about with this cost me about five days.
Then we were precariously close to the festive season. This really put things on hold. It's now the end of January!



Davy J

93 posts

181 months

Tuesday 28th January 2014
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People often get mixed up with the word "Fault" and "Non-fault" when it comes to insurance. here are 2 simple examples.

You park your car , go for a meal and come out to find a meteorite has landed and crushed your roof. Not your fault is it ? however , your Ins company pays out. They have nobody to reclaim their payout from - so its classed as "Fault" as they are out of pocket.

You park your car , go for a meal and come out to find someone has reversed into you. They have kindly left their details and you make a claim. Your company then reclaims the cost fom theirs , - so its classed as "non-fault" as they are not out of pocket , they have the money back from the other ins co.

Simples

Monty Python

4,812 posts

197 months

Tuesday 28th January 2014
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I'm beginning to wonder whether this "back to invoice" insurance is worth having - £200 for 4 years and they pay the difference between what the insurance pays out and the price you bought the car at.

deltashad

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6,731 posts

197 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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I contacted the insurance company this morning.
Car is repairable!!! They knew yesterday morning but failed to inform me.

After speaking with the coachworks, they informed me both themselves and Lotus had advised the car is no where near written off.
1st Choice offered us 14,350 settlement figure.
Car repairs estimation was less than I had been told, (7,200ukp before tax).
Lotus valued the car at 17,000. (also said that it would be near impossible to get another with similar spec/mileage/age).
The assessors report valued the car at 16,500-17,000ukp.

A far cry from what they told me the car had been valued at.

I'll be looking elsewhere in the future for insurance.

Surely there must be sort of guidelines regarding telling the truth in these matters. It would have been a massive inconvenience to us if the car had been written off, also a waste of a nice little specialist car.


Never mind, 4-6 weeks and she'll be back!!! bouncebouncebounce

kiethton

13,895 posts

180 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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Result! smile