Question for tyre fitters

[jagracer]

I had a tyre repaired a couple of weeks ago, the morning after I got a phone call from my wife saying the tyre was flat. When I checked the tyre it had a cut 90deg to the wall and I accused her of hitting a curb. It wasn't until later that I saw the cut was too straight for it to be done on a curb plus most of her journey is in country lanes and the cut wasn't all the way through which leads me to believe the damage was done by the machine that breaks the bead and it let go after a few miles of driving.
My uncle had some tyres damaged by the same fitters when he had them changed to put different tyres on and they said it was due to low temperature at the time of removing them. Is this correct or were they talking BS and have a faulty machine? I've had quite a few tyres swapped around from wheel to wheel over the years and this has never been a problem. I'm not looking for any come back on the firm concerned as we get a good discount on new tyres, I'll just go elsewhere for repairs if what they say is incorrect

[Tom8]

Personally I never understand why anyone would repair tyres on cars. Is it worth the risk? For me, new tyre every time. some things you can take a punt with but brakes, tyres, steering are things you don't in my view.

[TameScrapman]

I've changed thousands of tyres and I've never seen the bead breaker cutting a tyre yet.

[Orangecurry]

Ahhhh Pistonheads - OP asks a simple question, but most answers will be on another subject altogether.

[rb5er]

TameScrapman said:

I've changed thousands of tyres and I've never seen the bead breaker cutting a tyre yet.

I have changed hundreds and with a good machine this indeed would not occur. With faulty equipment though I guess anythings possible.

[trickywoo]

Tom8 said:

Personally I never understand why anyone would repair tyres on cars. Is it worth the risk? For me, new tyre every time. some things you can take a punt with but brakes, tyres, steering are things you don't in my view.

A proper repair is perfectly safe.

Do you immediately replace all the tyres and brakes and steering when you buy a car?

[300bhp/ton]

Tom8 said:

Personally I never understand why anyone would repair tyres on cars. Is it worth the risk? For me, new tyre every time. some things you can take a punt with but brakes, tyres, steering are things you don't in my view.

Risk is low and replacements can cost a lot. So I can fully understand why people get repairs in some or many cases.

[Tom8]

trickywoo said:

A proper repair is perfectly safe.

Do you immediately replace all the tyres and brakes and steering when you buy a car?

I get a full main dealer service done when I buy a car. If there is anything duff I get rid and have it corrected. I won't take the risk that's all. Couple of hundred quid for a new tyre or written off car (possibly) and injury (possibly). Could be years of trouble free motoring but who knows? Just my view.

[jagracer]

Thanks for the replies, I'll probably be looking to get the repairs done elsewhere or I'll have a look at their machine next time I'm there which may be this week as she's picked up yet another puncture I think. This is another reason for repairs where possible as although I only pay about £45 a corner on her car, I don't want to be doing it every few weeks when a £10 is perfectly safe.

[300bhp/ton]

Tom8 said:

trickywoo said:

A proper repair is perfectly safe.

Do you immediately replace all the tyres and brakes and steering when you buy a car?

I get a full main dealer service done when I buy a car. If there is anything duff I get rid and have it corrected. I won't take the risk that's all. Couple of hundred quid for a new tyre or written off car (possibly) and injury (possibly). Could be years of trouble free motoring but who knows? Just my view.

No offense Tom, but you view is only valid if you have the money to spare. Many people do not buy new or nearly new cars and simply don't have the funds to use main dealers for servicing, let alone have the cavalier attitude of "anything duff I get rid and have it corrected".

[jagracer]

300bhp/ton said:

Tom8 said:

trickywoo said:

A proper repair is perfectly safe.

Do you immediately replace all the tyres and brakes and steering when you buy a car?

I get a full main dealer service done when I buy a car. If there is anything duff I get rid and have it corrected. I won't take the risk that's all. Couple of hundred quid for a new tyre or written off car (possibly) and injury (possibly). Could be years of trouble free motoring but who knows? Just my view.

No offense Tom, but you view is only valid if you have the money to spare. Many people do not buy new or nearly new cars and simply don't have the funds to use main dealers for servicing, let alone have the cavalier attitude of "anything duff I get rid and have it corrected".

Tom8 must be a main dealers delight, my experience is they will tell you any amount of crap to get your money.

[rb5er]

Tom8 said:

Personally I never understand why anyone would repair tyres on cars. Is it worth the risk? For me, new tyre every time. some things you can take a punt with but brakes, tyres, steering are things you don't in my view.

[Noisy]

I was a tyre fitter while at college (so about 4 years) and never saw any sidewall damaged by the machine, sound like either a close encounter with a kerb or someone has cut it while parked. If the sidewall had a slice in it then it would have struggled to pump up and would have been flat pretty soon after putting it on.

As for repairs having been a tyre fitter I wouldn't mind getting a tyre repaired, even on my track day tyres.

[GC8]

rb5er said:

Tom8 said:

Personally I never understand why anyone would repair tyres on cars. Is it worth the risk? For me, new tyre every time. some things you can take a punt with but brakes, tyres, steering are things you don't in my view.

Indeed. A stupid post, but very forum...

[GC8]

jagracer said:

I had a tyre repaired a couple of weeks ago, the morning after I got a phone call from my wife saying the tyre was flat. When I checked the tyre it had a cut 90deg to the wall and I accused her of hitting a curb. It wasn't until later that I saw the cut was too straight for it to be done on a curb plus most of her journey is in country lanes and the cut wasn't all the way through which leads me to believe the damage was done by the machine that breaks the bead and it let go after a few miles of driving.
My uncle had some tyres damaged by the same fitters when he had them changed to put different tyres on and they said it was due to low temperature at the time of removing them. Is this correct or were they talking BS and have a faulty machine? I've had quite a few tyres swapped around from wheel to wheel over the years and this has never been a problem. I'm not looking for any come back on the firm concerned as we get a good discount on new tyres, I'll just go elsewhere for repairs if what they say is incorrect

If you kerb a tyre with sufficient force to cut it then the cut is usually in line with the rim and pretty straight...

[aka_kerrly]

rb5er said:

Tom8 said:

Personally I never understand why anyone would repair tyres on cars. Is it worth the risk? For me, new tyre every time. some things you can take a punt with but brakes, tyres, steering are things you don't in my view.

I get the impression we are meant to be impressed by Tom's attitude to car safety and is ability to fund new parts but the reality is most of us will be thinking he must enjoy getting mugged off and doesn't know one end of a spanner from the other. So long as he is happy let him carry on....


Regarding the original question I've not seen a tyre fitting machine cause damage to the sidewall, they may scrape the lips of the wheel itself but the bead breaker is meant to be applying pressure to the bead between the tyre and the rim not forcing the sidewall in.

[Gixer]

jagracer said:

om8 must be a main dealers delight, my experience is they will tell you any amount of crap to get your money.

And do a st job or in some cases not even do what they have said they've done

Never had any probs with a puncture repair. If its in a dangerous place ie near the edge, they won't repair it.

[Captain Muppet]

jagracer said:

I had a tyre repaired a couple of weeks ago, the morning after I got a phone call from my wife saying the tyre was flat. When I checked the tyre it had a cut 90deg to the wall and I accused her of hitting a curb. It wasn't until later that I saw the cut was too straight for it to be done on a curb plus most of her journey is in country lanes and the cut wasn't all the way through which leads me to believe the damage was done by the machine that breaks the bead and it let go after a few miles of driving.

If the cut was made by the machine it's likely to be curved and concentric to the wheel, rather than straight.

If the cut was made by driving over some debris it could be any shape.

If it was done by a knife weilding husband trying to kill off a wife with a faked accident chances are it'd be straightish.

[Laser Sag]

300bhp/ton said:

Tom8 said:

trickywoo said:

A proper repair is perfectly safe.

Do you immediately replace all the tyres and brakes and steering when you buy a car?

I get a full main dealer service done when I buy a car. If there is anything duff I get rid and have it corrected. I won't take the risk that's all. Couple of hundred quid for a new tyre or written off car (possibly) and injury (possibly). Could be years of trouble free motoring but who knows? Just my view.

No offense Tom, but you view is only valid if you have the money to spare. Many people do not buy new or nearly new cars and simply don't have the funds to use main dealers for servicing, let alone have the cavalier attitude of "anything duff I get rid and have it corrected".

So you get a dealer to service it, does he remove the tyres and check for puncture repairs or to see if they have been run under inflated and ruined the insides of the tyre, I think not so you could be running around on them right now.

[aka_kerrly]

Captain Muppet said:

If it was done by a knife weilding husband trying to kill off a wife with a faked accident chances are it'd be straightish.

shocking but no doubt there have been similar cases.