RE: BMW M2 for 2016

[shavenhaven]

I struggle to get excited tbh. All sounds good on paper, but in reality.. If BMW could just pause, take a deep breath, rewind, and go back to putting in some effort into their 'performance' drivers-machines then the M2 could be the opportunity to put 'MPower back on the table. fk off handing out M badges to anything with 19" wheels, M bodykit, and a remapped ecu. Lets have more cars that keep you on your toes - both feet, both hands, both eyes. Cars the 'driver' drives. It worries me BMW are thinking it's not ALL about R&D anymore but merely a big bright badge (M) and a set of statistics to throw at it's rivals.

[Amirhussain]

vz-r_dave said:

Amirhussain said:

vz-r_dave said:

making it a true CSL would certainly sway my mind.

How well did the E46 CSL sell?

I can not say but considering the fact that they have held their value so well (and I am certain will begin to appreciate in the next 10 years) can only mean that they did.

There is a good reason for that, it was very much a purist car. As it should be, BMW have not made anything close in those terms since.

The E46 CSL was a hard seller for BMW, they were great cars no doubt, and the reason why they hold their value well and will appreciate, apart from being one of BMW's greatest hit, is that they only made 1389 CSL's worldwide.

BMW know that their isn't a market for them in hardcore cars, so no point offering something that will only be bought by a few people. Majority over minority.

[Leins]

shavenhaven said:

I struggle to get excited tbh. All sounds good on paper, but in reality.. If BMW could just pause, take a deep breath, rewind, and go back to putting in some effort into their 'performance' drivers-machines then the M2 could be the opportunity to put 'MPower back on the table. fk off handing out M badges to anything with 19" wheels, M bodykit, and a remapped ecu. Lets have more cars that keep you on your toes - both feet, both hands, both eyes. Cars the 'driver' drives. It worries me BMW are thinking it's not ALL about R&D anymore but merely a big bright badge (M) and a set of statistics to throw at it's rivals.

The engineers need to skulk off again and do something themselves without the accountants and marketing "gurus" looking over their shoulder all the time. Some of the best cars have come about from the sneaky approach

[Terminator X]

Wow, looks fookin amazing! No wonder the M135i lease deals were so good

TX.

[Kenny Powers]

It will have to be unbelievably good to match or surpass the character and theatre of the 1M.

[RobM77]

Hang on a sec, 'Detuned engine'? Does that mean that it's the same engine as the M4 and the same weight, just tuned for less power? I don't mean to be a cynic but that strikes me as somewhat ridiculous.

[CooperS]

shavenhaven said:

I struggle to get excited tbh. All sounds good on paper, but in reality.. If BMW could just pause, take a deep breath, rewind, and go back to putting in some effort into their 'performance' drivers-machines then the M2 could be the opportunity to put 'MPower back on the table. fk off handing out M badges to anything with 19" wheels, M bodykit, and a remapped ecu. Lets have more cars that keep you on your toes - both feet, both hands, both eyes. Cars the 'driver' drives. It worries me BMW are thinking it's not ALL about R&D anymore but merely a big bright badge (M) and a set of statistics to throw at it's rivals.

What are you talking about? Think we need a few more details (lol) and a actual drive to see if it lives up to the 1M.

I also wish people would stop thinking that the market for any of these new M cars are ultra macho guys who want their M cars to kill them on their way into the office.....

If you want a hairy car any of the German big 3 have a wider market for their halo cars than those who dream about driving characteristics like TVRs of old or E30 M3's.

Get a grip!

[aeropilot]

RobM77 said:

Hang on a sec, 'Detuned engine'? Does that mean that it's the same engine as the M4 and the same weight, just tuned for less power? I don't mean to be a cynic but that strikes me as somewhat ridiculous.

Nothing's been confirmed yet, it's just media speculation that the M2 will get a 'detuned' version of the M3/M4 S55 engine.

As I posted earlier, I'm not convinced that this will be the case, I think it's much more likely that the M2 will get a bespoke ///M developed twin-turbo version of the 2.0L 4 cyl engine, which is what is being 'hinted' at from within BMW.

[Actus Reus]

Bringing this back to life with this photo:

[aeropilot]

M2 test mules (modified M235) have recently been spied out testing the drivetrain.

[Actus Reus]

The photo above was sent to me by a mate who works for BMW - he's on the M2 project and assures me that that's the real deal. About 355bhp, and €55k.

[northandy]

Actus Reus said:

Bringing this back to life with this photo:

I like that a lot!

[CooperS]

Actus Reus said:

The photo above was sent to me by a mate who works for BMW - he's on the M2 project and assures me that that's the real deal. About 355bhp, and €55k.

BMW are eeking just another 15 bhp for their M model.......

[aeropilot]

Actus Reus said:

The photo above was sent to me by a mate who works for BMW - he's on the M2 project and assures me that that's the real deal. About 355bhp, and €55k.

That'll mean about 380hp in reality then going by the typical underrating of recent ///M turbo engines is anything to go by.

1M was 'rated' at 340hp and most dyno around 25hp more than that

[kambites]

I hope they get this right; with the demise of the Z4M, it's probably the best chance we have of getting a proper drivers' car out of BMW that's focussed enough on agility rather than comfort to be really fun on a twisty road.

[Actus Reus]

450nm torque and a 6 speed manual by the way, brakes share a lot with those on the new M3.

[Axionknight]

Actus Reus said:

Bringing this back to life with this photo:

Gimme, in that colour, but minus the carbon roof!

[kambites]

That orange is a lovely colour, but it does seem to rather highlight the horrible shut-line across the front of the bonnet.

[cerb4.5lee]

kambites said:

I hope they get this right; with the demise of the Z4M, it's probably the best chance we have of getting a proper drivers' car out of BMW that's focussed enough on agility rather than comfort to be really fun on a twisty road.

You talk my language!

[Mermaid]

!M, M2, M3, M4,

So much choice, filling every niche