RE: Citroen Xantia: Catch It While You Can

RE: Citroen Xantia: Catch It While You Can

Thursday 30th January 2014

Citroen Xantia Activa: Catch It While You Can

Wafty Citroens are something of a guilty PH pleasure, Keith picking one on the brink of extinction



Cast your mind back almost 20 years, and seemingly out of the blue, Citroen offered us a driver's car that near-as-damn-it re-wrote the rulebook. The Xantia Activa had something that no comparable car could offer at the time - computer-controlled active suspension (the 1991 Toyota Soarer Active wasn't sold here and was a tad more expensive).

V6 Activa LHD only. More's the pity
V6 Activa LHD only. More's the pity
This set-up promised to combine F1-style roll-free cornering with that legendary magic carpet ride that Citroen was renowned for. There had to be a catch, surely? Well, weight and complexity certainly were - the Activa tipped the scales at a whopping 1,410kg, was equipped with 10 suspension spheres, two hydraulic rams and had three ECUs to control them.

But in 1995, none of that really mattered. For here was one of the 1990s lowest-key Q-cars. Performance from the refined 150hp 2.0-litre LPT engine was hardly earth shattering - say, 8.5 seconds for the 0-60mph dash and 130mph all out. We were sadly denied the quickest Activa powered by PSA's delightful 24-valve 3.0-litre V6 - it was beset with RHD conversion problems, apparently. However, what it could do in corners was utterly sensational.

Sit here and be amazed
Sit here and be amazed
It's a well known fact that with roll angles programmed-in of no greater than 0.5 degrees, the Xantia Activa could demolish all of its rivals in terms of cornering speeds, and trade g-loadings with the supercar elite. Given the car remained effectively flat at all times, optimal tyre contact patches were maintained, and driver confidence was always high - some would say too high.

I experienced that huge ability first hand back in 2006, when I put my Rover Vitesse on ice, and bought a £500 shed from a Citroen specialist I was good friends with. It was his 'smoker' and when I said I wanted it off him while waving some used notes under his nose, he couldn't resist parting with it. Driving it after the Rover was a revelation - after the first roundabout, and dialled-in to the lack of steering feel and hair-trigger brakes, I just ended up going faster, faster and faster. And faster still. Eventually, I was monstering B-road corners in a style akin to Tron's light cycles, and equally amusingly.

Keith was so enamoured he bought one!
Keith was so enamoured he bought one!
Garages are scared of Xantia Activas because they'll tell you they're fearsomely complicated, will break down constantly, and be impossible to fix. Well, I don't know about that - I ran my dog-eared example for a year, and it never missed a beat. Aside from an amusing rocking from side-to-side at traffic lights, it was perfect in the suspension department. I'd possibly still have it now, had some half-wit in a Cavalier Mk3 not T-boned me on a roundabout on the one day I was pootling.

Nowadays, all Activa hissy-fits are curable. Hard ride? New spheres are £30 a pop. Rocking and rolling? Clean or renew the anti-roll control bars. Leaking hydraulic rams? They can be rebuilt for reasonable money. You can even buy a piggy-back ECU to override the ageing in-built control systems. All other servicing is straightforward, and Xantias are actually far better made than most people give them credit for - the only downside is even the youngest example is 13 years old, so age-related jitters are an inevitability. That and PSA's shameful policy of not stocking spares once a car's been out of production around 10 years.

And how the magic happens
And how the magic happens
Buying one could be tricky - at the end of 2013, there were 41 taxed examples on the road, and a further 40 on SORN. There was an Activa SOTW back in 2009, but I think we're beyond even that, and they're now supping in the last chance saloon. Despite this, Activas are currently worthless - you can pick a project for as little as £400, and even the best ones seldom fetch more than £2,000. But there are plenty of knowledgeable enthusiasts and specialists who will help keep you on the road.

But here's food for thought: Take your Activa to my friends at BL Autos in Welwyn Garden City, bring along a Xantia V6 donor and a small pot of cash, and they'll combine the two to create a 200bhp, actively-suspended, innocuous-looking GTI-beater. Admit it - you're more than a little tempted.

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clubsportguy

Original Poster:

206 posts

133 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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Back in the day when these were new. I worked at a Citroen dealership. The paint was very easily scratched. And I also remember a work colleagues father buying demo one. He had it for just over 12 months and lost a wad of money when part exchange came around. Must prefer the BX16v GTi what a car.

johnnyboy114

656 posts

217 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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My dad had one a few years back. I only got to drive it a few times, but he swore by it and I could see why. Ok, not the most pleasant car inside, but had a fair few gadgets for the day, was reasonably solidly built, SERIOUSLY comfy seats, the stereo for standard fit was pretty damn lovely but most of all, he barely had an issue with it.....a decent service and general check every now and then and it was right as rain....

But that ride....beautiful....ignition on, let it rise up like some kind of space age Star Wars hover car and then it was cushion soft when wafting, yet would go round corners with ALARMING pace when it wanted to. Dad only had it for the ride and the space (of which was there was plenty), but when I drove it, I ragged it as I was amazed that it would go round corners faster than my Mk1 MR2 at the time. Lovely, lovely car.....

Twoshoe

856 posts

185 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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Styling still looks good today imho. Far nicer than the bloated C5 which succeeded it.

VeeDub Geezer

461 posts

155 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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I've got a Citroen shaped itch to scratch and I've liked the Xantia Activa since I went out in one as a young car mad lad.

Subtle isn't the word.

shout KITCHSKI!!

AndyNetwork

1,834 posts

195 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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Even thestandard Xantia's were good. A mate of mine has had 3 of them, and I drove all but one of them.

Plenty of space, comfy seats, very smooth ride. What more could you ask of a car!

rotta

159 posts

141 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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i smoked one of these about 8 years ago as a work shed, ive never ever sat in seats like it still the comfiest things ive sat in, and the 2.0 petrol was nice and nippy

deltashad

6,731 posts

198 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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clubsportguy said:
Back in the day when these were new. I worked at a Citroen dealership. The paint was very easily scratched. And I also remember a work colleagues father buying demo one. He had it for just over 12 months and lost a wad of money when part exchange came around. Must prefer the BX16v GTi what a car.
The Xantia was less quirky than the BX and also lacked any exciting variations in the range.
I agree would be a nice car to drive around in and relatively pleasing to the eye, but average at best in its day.

It's easily forgettable to me.

AnotherClarkey

3,602 posts

190 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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johnnyboy114 said:
My dad had one a few years back. I only got to drive it a few times, but he swore by it and I could see why. Ok, not the most pleasant car inside, but had a fair few gadgets for the day, was reasonably solidly built, SERIOUSLY comfy seats, the stereo for standard fit was pretty damn lovely but most of all, he barely had an issue with it.....a decent service and general check every now and then and it was right as rain....

But that ride....beautiful....ignition on, let it rise up like some kind of space age Star Wars hover car and then it was cushion soft when wafting, yet would go round corners with ALARMING pace when it wanted to. Dad only had it for the ride and the space (of which was there was plenty), but when I drove it, I ragged it as I was amazed that it would go round corners faster than my Mk1 MR2 at the time. Lovely, lovely car.....
I had one, just a normal 1.8 16v but I loved it dearly. The amount of grip from modest tyres was extraordinary. I drove TVR owning friend down a very wet country lane once at what I considered was a brisk yet normal pace and after a couple of corners he said that his Griffith would be in a ditch by now at that speed. I think my rather unkind response was along the lines of 'that makes your Griffith rather st for actually driving on the road then?'.

Pretty car for a family hatch too.

vrooom

3,763 posts

268 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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I wonder what one of those with stripped out interior and semi slick tyres can do...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVYT7Hkpv3k&fea...

RemarkLima

2,375 posts

213 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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My old tow car was a 300,000 mile Xantia 1.9D, and soon become known as the either the Dhieshel Thaxshi (bad dutch accent) or the Xantia of Power smile

I never did a thing to it other than replace the spheres (30 mins tops) and it never once let me down... Then a mate borrowed it, it sprung a leak of LHM, he didn't tell me, or do anything about it until it ran dry and ruined the suspension, steering and brakes.

Still, I'll always have a soft spot for the ol' Xantia of Power.

TheInternet

4,722 posts

164 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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Can't have this thread without the elk/moose test results, dominated by the Activa (km/h):

Citroën Xantia Activa V6 1999 85
Porsche 996 GT2 2004 82
Porsche 997 Carrera 4S 2008 82
Porsche 997 GT3 RS -08 82
Porsche 997 GT2 -08 81,5
Porsche 997 Carrera S -08 81
Porsche 997 Carrera S Cabr -05 81
Audi R8 4,2 FSI -08 80
Chevrolet Corvette C6 -05 80
Opel Omega 2,2 (sportchassi)-00 80
Nissan 350Z -04 79
Porsche Boxster S -08 79
BMW Z4 sDrive35i -10 78
Ford Focus RS -10 78
Porsche 997 Turbo Cabriolet -08 78
Porsche Cayman -08 78
BMW 330xd Coupé -07 77,5
Audi S8 -06 77
BMW M3 Coupé -07 77
BMW M3 Sedan -08 77

Full list

AnotherClarkey

3,602 posts

190 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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TheInternet said:
Can't have this thread without the elk/moose test results, dominated by the Activa (km/h):

Citroën Xantia Activa V6 1999 85
Porsche 996 GT2 2004 82
Porsche 997 Carrera 4S 2008 82
Porsche 997 GT3 RS -08 82
Porsche 997 GT2 -08 81,5
Porsche 997 Carrera S -08 81
Porsche 997 Carrera S Cabr -05 81
Audi R8 4,2 FSI -08 80
Chevrolet Corvette C6 -05 80
Opel Omega 2,2 (sportchassi)-00 80
Nissan 350Z -04 79
Porsche Boxster S -08 79
BMW Z4 sDrive35i -10 78
Ford Focus RS -10 78
Porsche 997 Turbo Cabriolet -08 78
Porsche Cayman -08 78
BMW 330xd Coupé -07 77,5
Audi S8 -06 77
BMW M3 Coupé -07 77
BMW M3 Sedan -08 77

Full list
The 2.0 turbo may have been even quicker through that test (lighter overall, less weight in the nose). Shame it isn't listed.

nightflight

812 posts

218 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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I had an estate version back in the late nineties. It was the fifth citroen I had owned, and was just as comfortable and reliable as the previous Citroens, but not as Quirky. I swapped it for a Mercedes E Class estate, and things have gone downhill from then onwards. I've even considered a C5 estate recently for taking the dogs out, but picked up a cheap Audi Allroad instead.

willmark

16 posts

261 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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I have one ....sat on my drive right now
Not had a chance to use it as yet but aim to this year its the later shape xantia came with a few extras like leather seats headlight washers etc
There have been a few faults with it one of the front flexy ram pipes burst but they were both repaired with new hoses at my local hydraulics outfit...also the speedo needs fixing
The big one is the suspension needs setting up right
Otherwise its a very clean tidy car...and im looking forward to seeing what they are all about


eybic

9,212 posts

175 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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I had an XM as a runaround for a while and it was the most comfortable car I have ever owned, like wafting around on a Sofa.

AnotherClarkey

3,602 posts

190 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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nightflight said:
I had an estate version back in the late nineties. It was the fifth citroen I had owned, and was just as comfortable and reliable as the previous Citroens, but not as Quirky. I swapped it for a Mercedes E Class estate, and things have gone downhill from then onwards. I've even considered a C5 estate recently for taking the dogs out, but picked up a cheap Audi Allroad instead.
They seem to be coming back into a bit of form. I like the DS5 and have high hopes for the C4 Cactus but will miss the best bit of all - the hydropneumatic suspension.

renaultgeek

473 posts

149 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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TheInternet said:
The Column in that called arsmodell is a disappointment.

J4CKO

41,628 posts

201 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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Wonder why that kind of suspension didnt get developed further, I know Porsche and Mclaren do some active stuff but seems to be limited to magnetwhatsit dampers in the rest of the car world.

Did some Discoveries have active suspension, remember when they facelifted the first ones there was some change so it was less like a Tug Boat in a choppy sea.

keith2.2

1,100 posts

196 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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[quote=deltashad]

but average at best in its day.

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..except it won every group test for about 10 years..

Wasn't the Activia slated when it first came out - with testers saying that the lack of suspension feedback and lean made it impossible to tell where the edge of the grip was?

I never liked the Xantia - I was always a Laguna fan (aged 14!)

JamesHayward

655 posts

165 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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My mum had a Xantia 2.0 16v but not the Activa. We needed an estate at the time so had to opt for the lesser VSX model. I did alot of my formative driving years in that car and I'd love to drive it again now to see what it can really do. I have a strange craving for an Activa V6 but I think that's an itch that will forever remain unscratched frown