RE: Renault Clio Williams: PH Carpool

RE: Renault Clio Williams: PH Carpool

Monday 10th February 2014

Renault Clio Williams: PH Carpool

Many of us had Clios as first cars but probably not as cool as this one



Name: Gustavo Lopes
Car: Renault Clio Williams
Owned since: February 2012
Previously owned: First car!

'You don't choose a car, the car chooses you'
'You don't choose a car, the car chooses you'
Why I bought it:
“It was the cheapest car in my wishlist! And that list contains a Delta Integrale 16V, E30 M3 and Escort Cosworth. I bought this car a few weeks before getting my driver’s licence - I got it quite late, at 24, because the engineering studies kept me busy.

“I wasn't looking for a garage queen. I wanted it to be my everyday car, my first car and the car that would teach me how to drive. It had to be a first series, with the numbered plaque on the dashboard and no ABS – as pure as possible.

“I eventually found one, at the right price. Body wise it needed a bit of attention and the Eagle F1s looked like that it had seen a track day (read ‘they were slicks’). Apart from that the car was looking great and was 100 per cent original - which was important to me. These cars don’t come for sale very often in continental Europe (I was living in Amsterdam) and I knew it would fly out of the classifieds. I was at work when I rang the owner and asked him if we could book a viewing for that afternoon. He told me that was OK for him, but warned me that he had a guy coming to see the car at lunch time, and if the guy wanted to buy it for the asking price, he would sell. ‘I will call you again in a minute,’ I said.

“A friend once told me, ‘You don't choose a car, it's the car who chooses you.’ This car had chosen me. I ran to my boss’s office and told him I had to leave earlier because I had found the car. He knew how badly I wanted a Clio Williams. He smiled and told me ‘tomorrow you have to show me that car.’

First batch Williams on the wishlist
First batch Williams on the wishlist
“I called one of my mates and we set off. On arrival, there it was, side by side with the owner's new Honda S2000. After a bit of talking and walking around the car we went for a test drive, with my mate in the driver's seat because I still did not have my licence. The car was pulling strong, braking well, everything was sound. I asked my mate's opinion. ‘You have a little fast car here.’

But then I heard from the owner, who was sitting behind, ‘Hey, you haven't seen anything yet, you have to rev it past 4,000rpm to see what it’s got! Take the next right, there is a straight line after the turn, you can rev it there!" The rev counter needle touched 6,000rpm a few times and, oh boy, I bought the car!”

What I wish I'd known:
“Nothing really. This is one of those cars that has no secrets. It is what it is. It's mechanical and organic in every way. And its reliability is HUGE - believe me!”

Clean and original example - had to be bought!
Clean and original example - had to be bought!
Things I love:
“I love the sound of the engine. I can tell how fast I'm driving just by listening to it. The steering is amazing, and it sticks to the road and drives like a kart. The seats are awesome too and provide great support.

“And, of course, the looks. It’s the best looking hot hatch ever. And it’s a classic!”

Things I hate:
“There isn't one thing I hate in this car. Really. But before moving to the UK in April 2013 I had one of those moments that we petrolheads occasionally have: I thought of selling the car since I was moving out of the country. A guy came all the way from France with a trailer. And guess what? He went back home with an empty trailer. If you are this guy and you are reading this, I'm sorry.”

Costs:
“As I said, it was my daily drive for one year. I drove 14,000 miles with it.”

A few odds and ends aside it's been reliable
A few odds and ends aside it's been reliable
Costs:
“Four new Toyo Proxes T1-Rs, four spark plugs and two oil changes. One power steering pump (to replace a noisy one), together with a high-pressure power steering hose. Two handbrake cables. One speedometer cable that broke (on the track) - the only corrective maintenance.

“It now needs brake discs and pads and four new tyres!”

Where I've been:
“I went through a Dutch winter, driving 60 miles a day with soft Toyo tires. Driving was a challenge on its own: 900kg, 150hp, no ABS, no traction control. Inches of snow and ice everywhere. Would do it again! Was great fun!

“I have been on the racetrack too at Zandvoort.”

Having survived Dutch winter sunnier climes beckon
Having survived Dutch winter sunnier climes beckon
What next?
“The Clio is no longer my daily drive and is getting the bodywork care it deserves. It has proven itself as a great car and a great driving school. Puts a smile on my face every time I switch the engine on.

“I have been driving a Mk3 Toyota MR2 Roadster for the past six months. Thought it was a good introduction to the rear-wheel drive world but it’s now for sale and there’s an E46 M3 on the way!

“Once the Clio is restored I’m going to export it back to Portugal.”


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TheBALDpuma

Original Poster:

5,844 posts

169 months

Monday 10th February 2014
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Great first car and nice write up, you can tell how much you wantd it!

A colleague of mine about 8-10 years ago bought one of these for his first car. He was 17 and paid something like £3500 on insurance, at a time when £1500 was more normal for a 17yo. He thought it was worth it though!

t8cmf

342 posts

161 months

Monday 10th February 2014
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In over twenty odd years of driving, my Clio Williams was one of the most fun cars I ever owned.

I had a Series 1 in the nineties, it was number 98 of the first run of 400. Totally reliable as well.

One of the greatest hot hatches ever made IMO.

deanogtv

746 posts

221 months

Monday 10th February 2014
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I had the one down from this, the 1.8 16v in black, phase II to be exact. Love it to bits, it felt rapid at 19 years old. Cracking little car, dont see many around nowadays.
Sales amn told me it was quicker than williams but he would wont he

AC43

11,493 posts

209 months

Monday 10th February 2014
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Absolutely love that. A real gem.

(feel a bit sorry for the French fella with the trailer, though...)

dukebox9reg

1,571 posts

149 months

Monday 10th February 2014
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I had a Megane with the newer version of this engine. I thought it was a peach of an engine for only 150bhp and with the Megane only being around 1100kg it still went quite well.

The maddest Clio Williams I have been in though was a BB turbocharged/chargecooled one an old squaddie mate used to have. Think it had 280bhp if I remember rightly. I'll dig out a pic of the engine.

Apart from a new exhaust he kept it completely standard looking which surprised a few other drivers.

Found it, I think he said BB used to use it as a demo car as well on show stands


dukebox9reg

1,571 posts

149 months

Monday 10th February 2014
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deanogtv said:
I had the one down from this, the 1.8 16v in black, phase II to be exact. Love it to bits, it felt rapid at 19 years old. Cracking little car, dont see many around nowadays.
Sales amn told me it was quicker than williams but he would wont he
I know a popular mod on the earlier engine was to throw the 1.8 16V cam into the 2.0 16V as the 1.8 was a bit 'spikier'

CO2000

3,177 posts

210 months

Monday 10th February 2014
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Ran a Mk1 along side an Esc Cosworth for 5 years which was a good combo, I thought it suited a square shouldered tyre such as Michelin pilot exalto's, could have done with a LSD too (& better brakes, throttle bodies, better seats etc but ws great fun the way it was with just a K&N induction kit)

chunoo

1,129 posts

236 months

Monday 10th February 2014
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My mate had one of these back in the day and I sooo wanted it.

Group 20 insurance though (in old money) was the killer.

Had forgot about the 1.8 16v actually, really wanted one of those for a while as it had most of the performance and looks without the stupid insurance. It also shared the same bespoke body panels as the williams.

What i loved most about it was the seats though. Very tight fitting!

Ollywood

173 posts

142 months

Monday 10th February 2014
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This was my first drive in a hot hatch when my mothers car was in for a service and they gave her Clio Williams as a courtesy car. Should have seen my face when it pulled up in the driveway! It was just such an amazing car SO addictive. I did try to convince my mum that she should buy one.

Sadly some weeks later someone else go it as a courtesy car and totalled it! not too surprising really….

BREMBOV6

499 posts

149 months

Monday 10th February 2014
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I love these, easily in my top 10.

Enjoy, pictures once restored would be nice

j90gta

563 posts

135 months

Monday 10th February 2014
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Great to have such an understanding boss!

dom9

8,090 posts

210 months

Monday 10th February 2014
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Just bought a lovely Clio Williams from this forum... Can't wait to drive it but I am 5,000 miles away at the moment frown

andy_roe

78 posts

231 months

Monday 10th February 2014
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Great article!

I never had a Williams, but I did have a 1994 16v Clio in Naples Red and it was a great car and even though I swapped it for a 964 about 10 years ago I often check out the classified seeing if I can tempt myself to get another one! It was M630 BLT - anyone in Pistonheads have that car now?!


andymc

7,360 posts

208 months

Monday 10th February 2014
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Swervin_Mervin

4,465 posts

239 months

Monday 10th February 2014
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deanogtv said:
Sales amn told me it was quicker than williams but he would wont he
Higher rev limit meant you could sneak to 60 a shade faster. After that though...

I owned 2 16vs and knew plenty with Williams' for a number of years. Reliability is not a word I would associate with them! Although posisbly most faults were age related, not Renault related.

menoy

142 posts

135 months

Monday 10th February 2014
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deanogtv said:
I had the one down from this, the 1.8 16v in black, phase II to be exact. Love it to bits, it felt rapid at 19 years old. Cracking little car, dont see many around nowadays.
Sales amn told me it was quicker than williams but he would wont he
Black ph2 1.8 - my current car smile



Edited by menoy on Monday 10th February 16:17

deanogtv

746 posts

221 months

Monday 10th February 2014
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menoy said:
Black ph2 1.8 - my current car smile



Edited by menoy on Monday 10th February 16:17
New the wheel Phase 1 wheels though.

On a side note, the amount of RT Clio's you'd see with the 16v bonnet that werent real 16v's was shocking, They always forgot to extend the dash to accomadate the three extra dails though lol

rolo0151

260 posts

164 months

Monday 10th February 2014
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Love these things. Never drove one but had a good go in the 1.8 16v & found that fun. I reckon in years to come these will be one of those cars you wish you'd bought when they were cheap..

Edited by rolo0151 on Monday 10th February 18:40

MadDog1962

891 posts

163 months

Monday 10th February 2014
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" 900kg, 150hp, no ABS, no traction control"

yes I like the sound of all of that driving

JLJ11

35 posts

144 months

Monday 10th February 2014
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it wasnt my first car.. that was a white 205 gti that i miss to this day.. it was my second where i spent 85% of my disposeable income on something i clearly couldnt afford but boy did i love it. Put 40k miles on it in 3 years when i could only blame 15k of that on commuting.. only sold it cos i moved to the US and needed the money.. still miss it.. It had the ability to embarass many cars on the twisties and reliable as anything until over enthusiasm led to a blown engine which wasnt as painful to fix as i feared. I often wonder if the first 2 cars i ever owned will end up really being the best.