RE: McLaren P1: Driven

[PhillipM]

Max_Torque said:

Lets put it this way, and i'll leave the readers to decide:

MESL supply a motor and inverter system to the upcoming Formula E series. You can go and look up the power output of that motor on Google. Do you think they would develop two motors, F-E and P1 separately.................


;-)

I would assume whilst it's rather easy to wind the motor system up for a bit more power, it would be rather harder to make sure the integration with the ICE power was as seamless as stock?

[Fantuzzi]

Awesome.

The best bit is the mesh at the back.

Might be alone in that thought...

[ftyl]

hairykrishna said:

Don't get over excited - the Honda IMA system (and probably others) does the same thing. Using an electric motor to supplement the performance of a petrol motor is the point of all parallel hybrids. The only difference is that the P1's are more powerful than those used in typical 'eco' hybrids.

Sorry, you didn't get it.. As Eric said, the point was later down in my post. It is about the fact that the P1 will (and I am rather sure not a single other one does) use more fuel to power up the batteries when it makes sense to the ECU to do so.

OBVIOUSLY every parallel hybrid's point is to combine torque from a petrol and an electric.

[errek72]

Cobnapint said:

I think a little bit of sex wee just came out.

Awesome, and it has a bloody flamethrower fitted at the back! Send it at full chat across a parched field in the summer and you've got yourself a re-make of Back to the Future.

Ah, the things you could set alight with this car, the possibilities are endless. Shopping trolleys, farm animals, G-wiz's...

...will it be sold stateside?

[Quickmoose]

Fantuzzi said:

Awesome.

The best bit is the mesh at the back.

Might be alone in that thought...

no I'm with you, a very original take on rear-end design...demonic looking thing from the back 10/10!

[smiffy555]

blasos said:

When people are proud it's because they have achieved something or have contributed to it.

So, why exactly are you proud? Did you have a hand in the any stage of the production of this car? Or are you proud to be British because your parents decided to bang one night in Great Britain? You didn't have much to do with that either, did you?

Yes, I did work on it as it happens. For 3 years.

Yes, my parents did have a bang one night in GREAT britain, and at least two other times as I have a brother and a sister.

For added info on my family's back ground, my grand parents banged in GREAT Britain too, and my great grandparents and my great great grandparents etc, etc.

Did yours?

[TonyHetherington]

smiffy555 said:

Yes, I did work on it as it happens. For 3 years.

I love PistonHeads sometimes

(you realise you now have to tell us what you did, as us nerds will find it really interesting!)

[dinkel]

How will the P1 affect the K'egg?

[iloveboost]

I'm so jealous. It's like Chris just wrote an article on how he was in a posh bar last night and got lucky with some lonely supermodels. Great article and even though I'm nowhere near good enough to push that car to anywhere close to it's limits I can really appreciate what it must be like, and be like to drive.
As others said it's much more interesting than the short piece on the P1 that Top Gear did. Still we all know Top Gears not really a car show it's about some lucky presenters doing epic races and stunts whilst pretending to wind each other up for a laugh. I still like TG though.

[AreOut]

vescaegg said:

There are several vids of him driving the veyron.

Do you have a spare £1,825.00?

http://www.supercardrivedays.co.uk/bugatti-veyron-...

huh, why this doesn't exist for McLaren F1 :/

[TonyHetherington]

dinkel said:

How will the P1 affect the K'egg?

Interesting question. My completely uninformed, baseless, worthless opinion is that it will make the K'egg seem expensive. It's a stunning machine (the K), and I don't deny I love the new P1 - so my opinion will sway that way.

Having said that, supposedly all P1s are sold and you can still buy a K'egg; so it may not affect K'egg in the slightest.

[Strawman]

iloveboost said:

I still like TG though.

The camera work on the P1 bit, and some other cars they've done, is still some of the best motoring filming around.

[Greg_D]

TonyHetherington said:

dinkel said:

How will the P1 affect the K'egg?

Interesting question. My completely uninformed, baseless, worthless opinion is that it will make the K'egg seem expensive. It's a stunning machine (the K), and I don't deny I love the new P1 - so my opinion will sway that way.

Having said that, supposedly all P1s are sold and you can still buy a K'egg; so it may not affect K'egg in the slightest.

you could on one hand say that the latest raft of hypercars has soaked up all the billionaires who are in the market for a K'egg, but on the other hand you could argue that they were still petrolhead billionaires last year, so why didn't they buy one then - the probable answer is that they didn't want one!!! being a McLaren does give you a lot more confidence in the product than some johnny come lately in Sweden.

I know where my £million+ would go!!!

[Tom73]

TonyHetherington said:

Interesting question. My completely uninformed, baseless, worthless opinion is that it will make the K'egg seem expensive. It's a stunning machine (the K), and I don't deny I love the new P1 - so my opinion will sway that way.

Having said that, supposedly all P1s are sold and you can still buy a K'egg; so it may not affect K'egg in the slightest.

I don't see how it could affect them in the slightest. With no mechanical differential (that's poor tbh) and it's current power level the P1 is nicely positioned against the 2008 CCXR with plus 350 kgs of downforce and minus a 115 hp.

An Agera R or S would be tougher - more power, a respectable 300 kgs of downforce, lower weight, more technical gadgetry (diff), better brakes, less rotational mass and lower drag. And the One:1 that will be shown at Geneva has identical downforce, adjustable chassis, active aero et al plus everything Agera, a 1340hp and a 150 kgs less to haul around.

Also they budget around 10 cars annually and the customers can get pretty much what they want when they want it. The One:1 is obviously just to show how adaptable they can be since it mirrors just about everything with the P1 and steps it up significantly before the car has even finished to make it's rounds amongst the journos. Regardless of what other makers puts out there Koenigsegg's concept of evolution and in-house development and construction will always allow them to have a look at the competition and offer something better at the next Geneva, for a very select clientel.

So while McLaren can build you a car in a production run backed by a large operation, Koenigsegg can build you "a helicopter" tailored by a small team of engineers. If you pay them enough they can build you a Koenigsegg CCGT style Agera weighing in at just under 1000 kg with LeMans spec aero and a N/A 700 hp V8. Or one with the Carlo Chiti Motori Moderni F1 flat-12 von Koenigsegg has laying around somewhere.

They're working in entirely different segments thus, insulated from each other.

Edited by Tom73 on Thursday 13th February 15:01

[TonyHetherington]

I must admit, my knowledge of K'egg isn't quite so detailed, so I've learnt something from your post - thanks!

[Tom73]

TonyHetherington said:

I must admit, my knowledge of K'egg isn't quite so detailed, so I've learnt something from your post - thanks!

You're welcome.


The latest car to roll off the assembly line in clear coated carbon fibre:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmZ-5voeisY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrttgOHst-g

This is where Koenigsegg is currently at with their technical gadgetry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SywqgH7n-5g

Matt Farrah recalls (@12:35):

http://www.thesmokingtire.com/2013/podcast-86-conc...

DRIVE's amazing series (must watch):

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHa6PXrV-yIg...

[The Vambo]

Tom73 said:

With no mechanical differential (that's poor tbh)

They didn't forget it, they don't have a mechanical differential phobia. They have a better bloody way of doing it.

May as well get Ron to stick a couple of carbs on it while it is in.

[Greg_D]

Tom73 said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmZ-5voeisY

They weren't happy with that bonnet, were they!!!

[Tom73]

The Vambo said:

They didn't forget it, they don't have a mechanical differential phobia. They have a better bloody way of doing it.

May as well get Ron to stick a couple of carbs on it while it is in.

What, with ABS?? That isn't the better way of doing it, that's the cheaper and less complex way of doing it. The difference if you're not aware of it is that Koenigsegg's diff (and Ferrari's, Porsche's etc) works with torque vectoring (ie; transffering power from OR to the wheels that needs it) while McLaren simply applies brakes to the wheels (aka "Brake Steer Tm"). This is about as refined as putting your foot down when taking a turn on a mountain bike.

Here's an article on it:

http://www.examiner.com/article/mclaren-mp4-12c-de...

Here's someone giving them a little well deserved st for it:

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142774517-post438...

And Koenigsegg/Ferrai/Porsche also uses a combination of mechanical locking and ABS fyi so they have "Brake Steer" as well it's just that they don't call it a diff or "Brake Steer" but rather "traction control" as most makers do.

Greg_D said:

They weren't happy with that bonnet, were they!!!

Haha.

[Streetrod]

Tom73 said:

TonyHetherington said:

Interesting question. My completely uninformed, baseless, worthless opinion is that it will make the K'egg seem expensive. It's a stunning machine (the K), and I don't deny I love the new P1 - so my opinion will sway that way.

Having said that, supposedly all P1s are sold and you can still buy a K'egg; so it may not affect K'egg in the slightest.

I don't see how it could affect them in the slightest. With no mechanical differential (that's poor tbh) and it's current power level the P1 is nicely positioned against the 2008 CCXR with plus 350 kgs of downforce and minus a 115 hp.

An Agera R or S would be tougher - more power, a respectable 300 kgs of downforce, lower weight, more technical gadgetry (diff), better brakes, less rotational mass and lower drag. And the One:1 that will be shown at Geneva has identical downforce, adjustable chassis, active aero et al plus everything Agera, a 1340hp and a 150 kgs less to haul around.

Also they budget around 10 cars annually and the customers can get pretty much what they want when they want it. The One:1 is obviously just to show how adaptable they can be since it mirrors just about everything with the P1 and steps it up significantly before the car has even finished to make it's rounds amongst the journos. Regardless of what other makers puts out there Koenigsegg's concept of evolution and in-house development and construction will always allow them to have a look at the competition and offer something better at the next Geneva, for a very select clientel.

So while McLaren can build you a car in a production run backed by a large operation, Koenigsegg can build you "a helicopter" tailored by a small team of engineers. If you pay them enough they can build you a Koenigsegg CCGT style Agera weighing in at just under 1000 kg with LeMans spec aero and a N/A 700 hp V8. Or one with the Carlo Chiti Motori Moderni F1 flat-12 von Koenigsegg has laying around somewhere.

They're working in entirely different segments thus, insulated from each other.

Edited by Tom73 on Thursday 13th February 15:01

The Egg is always going to be the left field choice with a very small clientele. If I remember correctly they only built their 100th car last year which considering how long they have been around is tiny production numbers. I also think Koenigsegg's continual push for even higher HP numbers is just a complete waste of time. They have no where they can run the cars to prove its theoretical top speed numbers, so one of its few USP's is unprovable.

I also wonder why their cars are rarely if ever submitted for timed track times? Yes their cars are weapons grade in a straight line but so was my home built street legal dragster back in the day. I know where my money would go on a bet between an Egg and a P1 on track time.

Yes the Egg is beautifully built but is appeal is tiny and unsophisticated. To this day I have never seen an Egg fetch a premium over list price (Current used P1 are priced well over list at the moment) and most used examples spend a life time on dealer’s forecourts. Your right they should not be considered in the same space as the Mac as they just don’t compete. These words I know will upset Tom73 but I’m not having a go at you mate, it’s just my opinion