RE: Porsche Macan: Review
Discussion
edo said:
Yes it is the diesel. We were light on the options (but got necessary stuff like PCM Navigation, Bluetooth, Heated seats etc), and lucked out getting £2k off as the salesman was leaving and didnt care!
Take a look on Autotrader at 2012 Cayennes with under 12k on the clock. Nothing less than 45k as far as I can see. We paid 50k.
I won't as I am on iPhone and I find AT search is rubbish, but you are not factoring a dealer margin of 5k+ so suspect you have lost 20%, which is still good. Well done on negotiations and not going mental on options!Take a look on Autotrader at 2012 Cayennes with under 12k on the clock. Nothing less than 45k as far as I can see. We paid 50k.
Wonder if turbos have dropped yet in current shape, cannot stomach old shape
Edited by Adam B on Saturday 15th February 13:41
What I am saying was if you purchased a 911 in 1988 and sold it two years later you lost very little money, in my case £4000.00 because production was in limited numbers it meant not many were about, indeed you had to go on a waiting list, (I never did get my 911 Super Sport Cabriolet). Now these cars are manufactured in much greater numbers and as a result residuals on 911's are not as good now, you take a massive hit if you sell after 2 years (yes I understand VAT etc.) That is what I am on about, limited production tends to keep used prices higher due to supply, i.e Morgan & Ferrari (not quite so 612's).
You speak only of residuals due to limited production etc; that has nothing whatsoever to do with profitability.
monamimate said:
996jim said:
No, don't think I am. Think you could be missing my point.
Porsche has now been for years the most profitable car maker of all (only exception when it got greedy and tried to buy VW). Again in 2013, no other car maker came close.
I think you are confusing residuals and profitability.
Indeed, I don't see your point. Please clarify... thanks.monamimate said:
996jim said:
. Simple matter of fact is Porsche was the worlds most profitable car manufacturer when it had a small product line-up i.e 911/928. They manufactured cars on a much smaller scale which kept the marque much more exclusive and kept residual values so much higher.
Simple matter of fact? Er, no. Really, no.Porsche has now been for years the most profitable car maker of all (only exception when it got greedy and tried to buy VW). Again in 2013, no other car maker came close.
I think you are confusing residuals and profitability.
You speak only of residuals due to limited production etc; that has nothing whatsoever to do with profitability.
edo said:
Garlick said:
AFC1886 said:
'Great to drive' Got anymore?
Do you not think so?
No they are not great to drive. I think you two must be quite old and prefer your 2tonne armchairs?
A Lotus Elise, a DC2 integra, Evo9 etc....yes. Down twisting country lanes the cayenne feels like you're sitting on top of a fat wallowing hippo. Although that is probably abit harsh on the hippo.
The cayenne and now macan are nothing more than fashion accessories for people who want to portray an image to their neighbours that they are wealthy, successful and a little bit better.....
996jim said:
What I am saying was if you purchased a 911 in 1988 and sold it two years later you lost very little money, in my case £4000.00 because production was in limited numbers it meant not many were about, indeed you had to go on a waiting list, (I never did get my 911 Super Sport Cabriolet). Now these cars are manufactured in much greater numbers and as a result residuals on 911's are not as good now, you take a massive hit if you sell after 2 years (yes I understand VAT etc.) That is what I am on about, limited production tends to keep used prices higher due to supply, i.e Morgan & Ferrari (not quite so 612's).
You speak only of residuals due to limited production etc; that has nothing whatsoever to do with profitability.
All these cars are mass produced these days. Ferrari, Astons, Bentley, Porsche, Lambo, Masswrati etc all built in their thousands and totally non exclusive. A world away from 25 years ago. monamimate said:
996jim said:
No, don't think I am. Think you could be missing my point.
Porsche has now been for years the most profitable car maker of all (only exception when it got greedy and tried to buy VW). Again in 2013, no other car maker came close.
I think you are confusing residuals and profitability.
Indeed, I don't see your point. Please clarify... thanks.monamimate said:
996jim said:
. Simple matter of fact is Porsche was the worlds most profitable car manufacturer when it had a small product line-up i.e 911/928. They manufactured cars on a much smaller scale which kept the marque much more exclusive and kept residual values so much higher.
Simple matter of fact? Er, no. Really, no.Porsche has now been for years the most profitable car maker of all (only exception when it got greedy and tried to buy VW). Again in 2013, no other car maker came close.
I think you are confusing residuals and profitability.
You speak only of residuals due to limited production etc; that has nothing whatsoever to do with profitability.
There's been some right s
t posted on here about 4x4 and their owners.
Owned loads of sports cars and estates, I much prefer chugging about in an automatic 4 wheel drive car for the daily grind for lots of reasons mentioned on here, it isn't some perceived cobblers either.
It's got me out of the st loads of times when a 2 WD would have let me down. For the weekend I'll take the garage queen, horses for courses
t posted on here about 4x4 and their owners. Owned loads of sports cars and estates, I much prefer chugging about in an automatic 4 wheel drive car for the daily grind for lots of reasons mentioned on here, it isn't some perceived cobblers either.
It's got me out of the s
t loads of times when a 2 WD would have let me down. For the weekend I'll take the garage queen, horses for coursesAFC1886 said:
edo said:
Garlick said:
AFC1886 said:
'Great to drive' Got anymore?
Do you not think so?
No they are not great to drive. I think you two must be quite old and prefer your 2tonne armchairs?
A Lotus Elise, a DC2 integra, Evo9 etc....yes. Down twisting country lanes the cayenne feels like you're sitting on top of a fat wallowing hippo. Although that is probably abit harsh on the hippo.
The cayenne and now macan are nothing more than fashion accessories for people who want to portray an image to their neighbours that they are wealthy, successful and a little bit better.....
The Cayenne isnt a sports car, and I didnt say it was. What it is, is the best of its breed, we can chuck two mountain bikes in the back, it is great in the snow (kept sensible 18's and optional all season tyres), incredibly comfortable, well put together, lovely interior, reliable, and has the best residuals in the business. I've owned an Elise, and an Exige, and a Westifeid. Of course they are more sporting than a Cayenne. When I want fun on the twisties I take the Boxster S.
Do enlighten us as to your choice of motor car - it isnt in your profile. It amazes me how people are so offended by a car; we all like different things, each to their own, makes the world go round.
And if you think I only like/buy Porsche, feel free to check my car history in my garage.
Adam B said:
edo said:
Yes it is the diesel. We were light on the options (but got necessary stuff like PCM Navigation, Bluetooth, Heated seats etc), and lucked out getting £2k off as the salesman was leaving and didnt care!
Take a look on Autotrader at 2012 Cayennes with under 12k on the clock. Nothing less than 45k as far as I can see. We paid 50k.
I won't as I am on iPhone and I find AT search is rubbish, but you are not factoring a dealer margin of 5k+ so suspect you have lost 20%, which is still good. Well done on negotiations and not going mental on options!Take a look on Autotrader at 2012 Cayennes with under 12k on the clock. Nothing less than 45k as far as I can see. We paid 50k.
Wonder if turbos have dropped yet in current shape, cannot stomach old shape
Edited by Adam B on Saturday 15th February 13:41
I think the harsh comments and barely disguised disgust for people they have never even met by some posters regarding cayenne owners is what is causing some irritation here . It's absolutely fine to disagree with someone but please , would some of you describe me ( for example , as a cayenne owner ) in those insulting terms you have done repeatedly in this thread if we met in the pub for a drink and a chat about cars ? I sincerely hope not , you would have no reason to gentlemen . This is the internet but remember we are real people .
I love cars , race classics , do umpteen track days , am a proper geek and nerd with figures , stats , history etc etc with absolutely nothing to prove to the neighbours or anybody else ( don't even start me on bikes!) . I am nothing like what some posters here describe the average cayenne owner to be ( neither is my wife ) and i bet as petrol heads we have a lot in common . It is stupid , to judge a book by its cover let alone a person by what car they drive or like .
I love cars , race classics , do umpteen track days , am a proper geek and nerd with figures , stats , history etc etc with absolutely nothing to prove to the neighbours or anybody else ( don't even start me on bikes!) . I am nothing like what some posters here describe the average cayenne owner to be ( neither is my wife ) and i bet as petrol heads we have a lot in common . It is stupid , to judge a book by its cover let alone a person by what car they drive or like .
Edited by wtdoom on Saturday 15th February 15:26
DonkeyApple said:
996jim said:
What I am saying was if you purchased a 911 in 1988 and sold it two years later you lost very little money, in my case £4000.00 because production was in limited numbers it meant not many were about, indeed you had to go on a waiting list, (I never did get my 911 Super Sport Cabriolet). Now these cars are manufactured in much greater numbers and as a result residuals on 911's are not as good now, you take a massive hit if you sell after 2 years (yes I understand VAT etc.) That is what I am on about, limited production tends to keep used prices higher due to supply, i.e Morgan & Ferrari (not quite so 612's).
You speak only of residuals due to limited production etc; that has nothing whatsoever to do with profitability.
All these cars are mass produced these days. Ferrari, Astons, Bentley, Porsche, Lambo, Masswrati etc all built in their thousands and totally non exclusive. A world away from 25 years ago. monamimate said:
996jim said:
No, don't think I am. Think you could be missing my point.
Porsche has now been for years the most profitable car maker of all (only exception when it got greedy and tried to buy VW). Again in 2013, no other car maker came close.
I think you are confusing residuals and profitability.
Indeed, I don't see your point. Please clarify... thanks.monamimate said:
996jim said:
. Simple matter of fact is Porsche was the worlds most profitable car manufacturer when it had a small product line-up i.e 911/928. They manufactured cars on a much smaller scale which kept the marque much more exclusive and kept residual values so much higher.
Simple matter of fact? Er, no. Really, no.Porsche has now been for years the most profitable car maker of all (only exception when it got greedy and tried to buy VW). Again in 2013, no other car maker came close.
I think you are confusing residuals and profitability.
You speak only of residuals due to limited production etc; that has nothing whatsoever to do with profitability.
But I give up, apparently profitability and exclusivity are synonimous concepts...
Edited by monamimate on Saturday 15th February 15:50
AFC1886 said:
Yes, i'm a troll for having a different opinion.
The cayenne and now macan are nothing more than fashion accessories for people who want to portray an image to their neighbours that they are wealthy, successful and a little bit better.....
No you're a troll for that kind of insidious comment, the cayenne is a superb car in its class and one worth buying, as I'm sure the Macan is too if the reviews are correct. The cayenne and now macan are nothing more than fashion accessories for people who want to portray an image to their neighbours that they are wealthy, successful and a little bit better.....
Why are you obsessed with what other people buy and your own warped view of their motivations?
Is everyone that has something you don't want or can't have a fashion victim worthy of your distain? It's a only car FFS, seek help....
boobles said:
y2blade said:
Panamera I love
Cayenne I love
This one Ditto.
+ 1....Cayenne I love
This one Ditto.
Awesome vehicles without question.
Pecan, looks superb, plenty of power options. Shouldn't introduce a slow one.
Panamera should be an estate. The rear doesn't look right. Should ditch the basic one.
For me, Porsche as a brand is about performance. It's not about a specific style of car. Porsche can build as many hatchbacks, SUVs, sports cars, GTs as they like, I don't mind what they build but it's criminal in my eyes for them to build utility, people's versions of them. They don't need the money any more and there is no credible justification for it and I think it tarnishes to brand to have non performance products in their range.
DonkeyApple said:
Would ditch the basic diesel as it is embarrassing for a performance brand especially when part of a group that churns out millions of basic cars under a range of brands.
Ditch the most popular engine in the range?!You need to understand people who love the brand and have a 911 or Boxster want a day to day car, doest need to do 200 mph, and can still do over 130, and 60 in about 7 secs - hardy embarrassing?!
edo said:
DonkeyApple said:
Would ditch the basic diesel as it is embarrassing for a performance brand especially when part of a group that churns out millions of basic cars under a range of brands.
Ditch the most popular engine in the range?!You need to understand people who love the brand and have a 911 or Boxster want a day to day car, doest need to do 200 mph, and can still do over 130, and 60 in about 7 secs - hardy embarrassing?!
For me when I think of Porsche, just like Ferrari, Lamborghini and other asperational performance brands I tend to expect performance. Whereas other brands are focussed on the luxury side ahead of performance such as Range Rover.
I understand what you about people wanting to buy into that brand and so deliver a product in the lower price range that will facilitate this and as a business model it makes sense.
DonkeyApple said:
edo said:
DonkeyApple said:
Would ditch the basic diesel as it is embarrassing for a performance brand especially when part of a group that churns out millions of basic cars under a range of brands.
Ditch the most popular engine in the range?!You need to understand people who love the brand and have a 911 or Boxster want a day to day car, doest need to do 200 mph, and can still do over 130, and 60 in about 7 secs - hardy embarrassing?!
For me when I think of Porsche, just like Ferrari, Lamborghini and other asperational performance brands I tend to expect performance. Whereas other brands are focussed on the luxury side ahead of performance such as Range Rover.
I understand what you about people wanting to buy into that brand and so deliver a product in the lower price range that will facilitate this and as a business model it makes sense.
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