RE: Porsche Macan: Review
Discussion
edo said:
For me it isnt about the "lower price model", its about doing 15k a year in a V8, in a motorway with a 70 limit, ad in traffic. We're getting 38mpg out of it - There is bugger all point being in the Turbo for that sort of driving.
But why? What would be wrong with a Cayenne turbo under those conditions?DonkeyApple said:
edo said:
For me it isnt about the "lower price model", its about doing 15k a year in a V8, in a motorway with a 70 limit, ad in traffic. We're getting 38mpg out of it - There is bugger all point being in the Turbo for that sort of driving.
But why? What would be wrong with a Cayenne turbo under those conditions?Oh blimey, what a carry on. All I am saying is, seems that Porsche makes bigger profits now with the trade-off being poorer residuals ( now all Cayenne drivers will say how little their cars de-value), 911's were almost depreciation proof. It appears the new generation of Porsche owners love their new breed of Porsche cars, me I'll still keep the memory of that 1975 911 Turbo on my bedroom wall, I don't suppose many children will have a picture of a Macan on their wall.
Aarrgh, I get that. I just wanted to know why he thought that Porsche was more profitable when they made fewer models (which it wasn't as it happens).
But I give up, apparently profitability and exclusivity are synonimous concepts...
monamimate said:
DonkeyApple said:
996jim said:
What I am saying was if you purchased a 911 in 1988 and sold it two years later you lost very little money, in my case £4000.00 because production was in limited numbers it meant not many were about, indeed you had to go on a waiting list, (I never did get my 911 Super Sport Cabriolet). Now these cars are manufactured in much greater numbers and as a result residuals on 911's are not as good now, you take a massive hit if you sell after 2 years (yes I understand VAT etc.) That is what I am on about, limited production tends to keep used prices higher due to supply, i.e Morgan & Ferrari (not quite so 612's).
You speak only of residuals due to limited production etc; that has nothing whatsoever to do with profitability.
All these cars are mass produced these days. Ferrari, Astons, Bentley, Porsche, Lambo, Masswrati etc all built in their thousands and totally non exclusive. A world away from 25 years ago. monamimate said:
996jim said:
No, don't think I am. Think you could be missing my point.
Porsche has now been for years the most profitable car maker of all (only exception when it got greedy and tried to buy VW). Again in 2013, no other car maker came close.
I think you are confusing residuals and profitability.
Indeed, I don't see your point. Please clarify... thanks.monamimate said:
996jim said:
. Simple matter of fact is Porsche was the worlds most profitable car manufacturer when it had a small product line-up i.e 911/928. They manufactured cars on a much smaller scale which kept the marque much more exclusive and kept residual values so much higher.
Simple matter of fact? Er, no. Really, no.Porsche has now been for years the most profitable car maker of all (only exception when it got greedy and tried to buy VW). Again in 2013, no other car maker came close.
I think you are confusing residuals and profitability.
You speak only of residuals due to limited production etc; that has nothing whatsoever to do with profitability.
But I give up, apparently profitability and exclusivity are synonimous concepts...
Edited by monamimate on Saturday 15th February 15:50
kambites said:
It's great as long as some bright spark in VW doesn't decide that it's not worth developing a replacement for the 981 because they "only made up 10% of Porsche's sales so aren't worth developing a bespoke platform for". Hopefully it'll never come to that, but I've seen enough of the working of big corporations to know that it easily could.
If 22,000 Boxster/Cayman isn't enough to redevelop the platform then the more pressing concern is every other sports car manufacturer not bothering either because precious few sell close to that many!fblm said:
kambites said:
It's great as long as some bright spark in VW doesn't decide that it's not worth developing a replacement for the 981 because they "only made up 10% of Porsche's sales so aren't worth developing a bespoke platform for". Hopefully it'll never come to that, but I've seen enough of the working of big corporations to know that it easily could.
If 22,000 Boxster/Cayman isn't enough to redevelop the platform then the more pressing concern is every other sports car manufacturer not bothering either because precious few sell close to that many!I'm not saying it's likely to happen; just that it's a significant risk.
Edited by kambites on Monday 17th February 14:27
[quote=mrclav]Oh, get over yourself - you sound like those who moan about vinyl records in the face of mp3s and downloading. Firstly, have you even driven a Macan? I know it's only your opinion but fortunately for everyone else, Porsche doesn't care what you and all the other beards and old farts think, neither will the tens of thousands who will buy this car - they will simply get on with their lives and be happy.
Personally, I couldn't give a fig about a 15-20yo car no matter how good it was in its hey-day. If that's your thing so be it but the "more and more" people of which you speak who are pushing up prices of so-called "run-of-the-mill" 993s are NOT buying these for "family" use (which is where many of these Macan models will find homes); you conveniently forget that there are physically far less 993s in existence than 996s and 997s therefore they're more highly prized as they are so rare in comparison - they were exclusive then and they're exclusive now. Times change and Porsche are evidently doing a great job of responding to what the market wants.
And they don't sell drivers cars any more? Last I checked, the GT3 wasn't considered a pose-mobile, neither was the 918...
Calm down
Personally, I couldn't give a fig about a 15-20yo car no matter how good it was in its hey-day. If that's your thing so be it but the "more and more" people of which you speak who are pushing up prices of so-called "run-of-the-mill" 993s are NOT buying these for "family" use (which is where many of these Macan models will find homes); you conveniently forget that there are physically far less 993s in existence than 996s and 997s therefore they're more highly prized as they are so rare in comparison - they were exclusive then and they're exclusive now. Times change and Porsche are evidently doing a great job of responding to what the market wants.
And they don't sell drivers cars any more? Last I checked, the GT3 wasn't considered a pose-mobile, neither was the 918...
Calm down
fblm said:
DonkeyApple said:
Cayenne, a great car.
Is it? Never driven one but I've got a Touareg as a daily driver and it's an unreliable, thirsty piece of crap. Most of the parts under the skin are interchangable so I can't imagine the Porsche is any better...edo said:
fblm said:
DonkeyApple said:
Cayenne, a great car.
Is it? Never driven one but I've got a Touareg as a daily driver and it's an unreliable, thirsty piece of crap. Most of the parts under the skin are interchangable so I can't imagine the Porsche is any better...edo said:
fblm said:
DonkeyApple said:
Cayenne, a great car.
Is it? Never driven one but I've got a Touareg as a daily driver and it's an unreliable, thirsty piece of crap. Most of the parts under the skin are interchangable so I can't imagine the Porsche is any better...
t (it is) or that the Cayenne is much better?fblm said:
edo said:
fblm said:
DonkeyApple said:
Cayenne, a great car.
Is it? Never driven one but I've got a Touareg as a daily driver and it's an unreliable, thirsty piece of crap. Most of the parts under the skin are interchangable so I can't imagine the Porsche is any better...t (it is) or that the Cayenne is much better?fblm said:
DonkeyApple said:
Cayenne, a great car.
Is it? Never driven one but I've got a Touareg as a daily driver and it's an unreliable, thirsty piece of crap. Most of the parts under the skin are interchangable so I can't imagine the Porsche is any better...wtdoom said:
I think the harsh comments and barely disguised disgust for people they have never even met by some posters regarding cayenne owners is what is causing some irritation here . It's absolutely fine to disagree with someone but please , would some of you describe me ( for example , as a cayenne owner ) in those insulting terms you have done repeatedly in this thread if we met in the pub for a drink and a chat about cars ? I sincerely hope not , you would have no reason to gentlemen . This is the internet but remember we are real people .
I love cars , race classics , do umpteen track days , am a proper geek and nerd with figures , stats , history etc etc with absolutely nothing to prove to the neighbours or anybody else ( don't even start me on bikes!) . I am nothing like what some posters here describe the average cayenne owner to be ( neither is my wife ) and i bet as petrol heads we have a lot in common . It is stupid , to judge a book by its cover let alone a person by what car they drive or like .
Well said sir. When I drive my Cayenne GTS (soon to be Macan turbo) am I a different person as to when I take my AM V8V out? No. I happen to be exactly the same person whatever car I happen to be driving! Horses for curses as they say. I love cars , race classics , do umpteen track days , am a proper geek and nerd with figures , stats , history etc etc with absolutely nothing to prove to the neighbours or anybody else ( don't even start me on bikes!) . I am nothing like what some posters here describe the average cayenne owner to be ( neither is my wife ) and i bet as petrol heads we have a lot in common . It is stupid , to judge a book by its cover let alone a person by what car they drive or like .
Edited by wtdoom on Saturday 15th February 15:26
edo said:
I can confirm, having owned 1 Cayenne for 15 months (current generation), and knowing/driving/helping friends to buy 3 others (Turbo, V8 S and Diesel) that they are not unreliable, most parts arent interchangeable, in the case of the Diesel we are getting 38mpg, and that in many ways it is better than the Touareg assuming your statements about yours are true, which I dont doubt you on.
Well I guess it is testament to the Porsche engineers who have seemingly built a decent car from a crap one. FYI Touareg's useful life seems to be around 50,000 miles before everything from driveshafts, to gearboxes, transfer cases, aircon units, shocks, calipers, ecu, emissions control goes wrong. Had everything on the list and more to come I'm sure because I've now got the dreaded 50k vibration! Whilst I may not be correct saying 'most' parts are not the same many are, infact lots in the VW are even stamped Porsche and IME are actually cheaper to buy from Porsche than the thieving shysters at VW! Hateful car.fblm said:
edo said:
I can confirm, having owned 1 Cayenne for 15 months (current generation), and knowing/driving/helping friends to buy 3 others (Turbo, V8 S and Diesel) that they are not unreliable, most parts arent interchangeable, in the case of the Diesel we are getting 38mpg, and that in many ways it is better than the Touareg assuming your statements about yours are true, which I dont doubt you on.
Well I guess it is testament to the Porsche engineers who have seemingly built a decent car from a crap one. FYI Touareg's useful life seems to be around 50,000 miles before everything from driveshafts, to gearboxes, transfer cases, aircon units, shocks, calipers, ecu, emissions control goes wrong. Had everything on the list and more to come I'm sure because I've now got the dreaded 50k vibration! Whilst I may not be correct saying 'most' parts are not the same many are, infact lots in the VW are even stamped Porsche and IME are actually cheaper to buy from Porsche than the thieving shysters at VW! Hateful car.
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