RE: BMW X4 confirmed
Discussion
F1GTRUeno said:
jimbop1 said:
But us under 30 can afford it too, and much other cars.
I just don't understand the dislike just because its a BMW, and German and different.
Cars change
It's not because it's a BMW, German or different.I just don't understand the dislike just because its a BMW, and German and different.
Cars change
It's because it's f
k ugly, pointless and they've already got a million other cars in the same bracket just to cover silly little niches that nobody bothered to ask for when they first walked into the BMW dealer.Quite alot of people want these 'niche' cars.
Who walks into a BMW dealership and demands a car that's not in production? Nobody.. BMW come up with theses cars because people look at them and want them.
To be fair to yourself, maybe they have got it all wrong... No one wants or buys a BMW
The BMW 3 series is one of the finest cars on the road. It has lots of derivatives, some of which are called 4s, some GT, some GranCoupes.
But there is another niche.
There seems to be a type of customer that goes in to a showroom and says:
I like the 3 series, but I want one that's dynamically worse.
oh, and I also like Coupes, but the 4 is just a bit too pretty.
And by the way, I like the practicality of the X3, but I want a less spacious one.
Now the BMW rep can offer them something.
But I don't blame BMW, I blame the customer. Rather than truely innovative change in cars (think Twingo, BMW i3, Teslas) there's always a customer that prefers this frankenstein approach of piecing together bits of things they recognise. Shame the sum of those parts is less appetising than the ingredients.
But there is another niche.
There seems to be a type of customer that goes in to a showroom and says:
I like the 3 series, but I want one that's dynamically worse.
oh, and I also like Coupes, but the 4 is just a bit too pretty.
And by the way, I like the practicality of the X3, but I want a less spacious one.
Now the BMW rep can offer them something.
But I don't blame BMW, I blame the customer. Rather than truely innovative change in cars (think Twingo, BMW i3, Teslas) there's always a customer that prefers this frankenstein approach of piecing together bits of things they recognise. Shame the sum of those parts is less appetising than the ingredients.
BeirutTaxi said:
Prawnboy said:
I quite liked the X6 for it's shear balls out look at me quality
That's the biggest problem with it. Maybe I just see it as a nice comfortable, practical car. I don't see it is a willy or wallet waving implement.
I always wonder how many of the people that knock X6's and the like have ever driven one. Or are they romancing how a 20year old car has more passion, is more engaging etc..
Lowtimer said:
Luca Brasi said:
As long as this creates revenue to create some proper BMWs, I don't care what they make.
I would agree with that (same with Porsche and the new Cayman basically funded by selling SUVs) but I'm not really seeing any of what I regard as "real BMWs" at all in the new models, which is why I keep buying old ones.The i8 might be good. Let's hope so
330i
M3
M5
What aren't real bmw's?
F1GTRUeno said:
It's not because it's a BMW, German or different.
It's because it's fk ugly, pointless and they've already got a million other cars in the same bracket just to cover silly little niches that nobody bothered to ask for when they first walked into the BMW dealer.
Spot on!It's because it's f
k ugly, pointless and they've already got a million other cars in the same bracket just to cover silly little niches that nobody bothered to ask for when they first walked into the BMW dealer.
Redlake27 said:
The BMW 3 series is one of the finest cars on the road. It has lots of derivatives, some of which are called 4s, some GT, some GranCoupes.
But there is another niche.
There seems to be a type of customer that goes in to a showroom and says:
I like the 3 series, but I want one that's dynamically worse.
oh, and I also like Coupes, but the 4 is just a bit too pretty.
And by the way, I like the practicality of the X3, but I want a less spacious one.
Now the BMW rep can offer them something.
But I don't blame BMW, I blame the customer. Rather than truely innovative change in cars (think Twingo, BMW i3, Teslas) there's always a customer that prefers this frankenstein approach of piecing together bits of things they recognise. Shame the sum of those parts is less appetising than the ingredients.
Or the type of customer who:But there is another niche.
There seems to be a type of customer that goes in to a showroom and says:
I like the 3 series, but I want one that's dynamically worse.
oh, and I also like Coupes, but the 4 is just a bit too pretty.
And by the way, I like the practicality of the X3, but I want a less spacious one.
Now the BMW rep can offer them something.
But I don't blame BMW, I blame the customer. Rather than truely innovative change in cars (think Twingo, BMW i3, Teslas) there's always a customer that prefers this frankenstein approach of piecing together bits of things they recognise. Shame the sum of those parts is less appetising than the ingredients.
- Who has a young family/baby but doesn't have the need for something the size of a 5/X5/X6
- Who doesn't really care too much about dynamics because this a car that will be used to transport his family around in comfort on the public road
- Who thinks that a higher driving position = better visibility = safer
- Who might live slightly off the beaten track and appreciates a bit more ground clearance (and with X-drive this would be pretty capable in the snow)
- Who thinks the X3 is really ugly and frumpy (Ok the X4 is no oil painting but at least it looks a bit sporty and aggressive)
As you guesses I actually quite like the look of this. In 35d format with X-drive I doubt many cars would be able to drive away from this down a country lane in the wet or dry.
BeirutTaxi said:
I think my biggest problem is that BMW haven't bought any game changers to the show. Nothing new, nothing exciting. Just another car that'll last the average 7 years of production, It won't stand out, it won't be remembered, it'll never be a classic and no one will ever take an arty photo of one.
They just put out two game-changers, the i3 and i8. Those are the future. The X4 is just a way of selling more cars in the meantime to finance the future.Oz83 said:
Or the type of customer who:
- Who has a young family/baby but doesn't have the need for something the size of a 5/X5/X6
- Who doesn't really care too much about dynamics because this a car that will be used to transport his family around in comfort on the public road
- Who thinks that a higher driving position = better visibility = safer
- Who might live slightly off the beaten track and appreciates a bit more ground clearance (and with X-drive this would be pretty capable in the snow)
- Who thinks the X3 is really ugly and frumpy (Ok the X4 is no oil painting but at least it looks a bit sporty and aggressive)
As you guesses I actually quite like the look of this. In 35d format with X-drive I doubt many cars would be able to drive away from this down a country lane in the wet or dry.
The X3 is no looker, but to call the X4 less ugly...- Who has a young family/baby but doesn't have the need for something the size of a 5/X5/X6
- Who doesn't really care too much about dynamics because this a car that will be used to transport his family around in comfort on the public road
- Who thinks that a higher driving position = better visibility = safer
- Who might live slightly off the beaten track and appreciates a bit more ground clearance (and with X-drive this would be pretty capable in the snow)
- Who thinks the X3 is really ugly and frumpy (Ok the X4 is no oil painting but at least it looks a bit sporty and aggressive)
As you guesses I actually quite like the look of this. In 35d format with X-drive I doubt many cars would be able to drive away from this down a country lane in the wet or dry.
Other than that, there are about half a dozen cars that spring to mind that, each of them, are more practical and look miles better and tick all the other boxes.
Q5? GLK? Evoque? Macan? To name a few. Why would you pick the X4 over any of them is beyond me (and I'm no fan of any of them...).
Unless it HAS to be a BMW and you're of the opinion the X4 is better looking than the X3, I find it impossible to see a reason to buy one of these over the competition.
But, of course, they'll sell. I've seen a few X6's trotting about as well so obviously they appeal to some people.
ZesPak said:
The X3 is no looker, but to call the X4 less ugly...
Other than that, there are about half a dozen cars that spring to mind that, each of them, are more practical and look miles better and tick all the other boxes.
Q5? GLK? Evoque? Macan? To name a few. Why would you pick the X4 over any of them is beyond me (and I'm no fan of any of them...).
Unless it HAS to be a BMW and you're of the opinion the X4 is better looking than the X3, I find it impossible to see a reason to buy one of these over the competition.
But, of course, they'll sell. I've seen a few X6's trotting about as well so obviously they appeal to some people.
Well even if the X4 is less dynamic than a 4 series or a 3 series tourer, you can bet it will still be a more entertaining steer than a Q5 or the GLK, so that rules those out. Other than that, there are about half a dozen cars that spring to mind that, each of them, are more practical and look miles better and tick all the other boxes.
Q5? GLK? Evoque? Macan? To name a few. Why would you pick the X4 over any of them is beyond me (and I'm no fan of any of them...).
Unless it HAS to be a BMW and you're of the opinion the X4 is better looking than the X3, I find it impossible to see a reason to buy one of these over the competition.
But, of course, they'll sell. I've seen a few X6's trotting about as well so obviously they appeal to some people.
Evoque - great car no doubt, but I see too many young, platinum blondes driving these to even consider one.
Macan - it would definitely be a consideration but a diesel makes more sense in this car and the 35d wipes the floor with the Macan diesel (over a second quicker to 62). I guess a test drive would make your mind up on this point. It would be interesting to see how they stack up on price once specced up too.
Oz83 said:
Or the type of customer who:
- Who has a young family/baby but doesn't have the need for something the size of a 5/X5/X6
- Who doesn't really care too much about dynamics because this a car that will be used to transport his family around in comfort on the public road
- Who thinks that a higher driving position = better visibility = safer
- Who might live slightly off the beaten track and appreciates a bit more ground clearance (and with X-drive this would be pretty capable in the snow)
- Who thinks the X3 is really ugly and frumpy (Ok the X4 is no oil painting but at least it looks a bit sporty and aggressive)
As you guesses I actually quite like the look of this. In 35d format with X-drive I doubt many cars would be able to drive away from this down a country lane in the wet or dry.
Wouldnt the be better off in the 2 series active tourer then?- Who has a young family/baby but doesn't have the need for something the size of a 5/X5/X6
- Who doesn't really care too much about dynamics because this a car that will be used to transport his family around in comfort on the public road
- Who thinks that a higher driving position = better visibility = safer
- Who might live slightly off the beaten track and appreciates a bit more ground clearance (and with X-drive this would be pretty capable in the snow)
- Who thinks the X3 is really ugly and frumpy (Ok the X4 is no oil painting but at least it looks a bit sporty and aggressive)
As you guesses I actually quite like the look of this. In 35d format with X-drive I doubt many cars would be able to drive away from this down a country lane in the wet or dry.
- Able to transport family.
- Sits a big higher than a 3er Estate.
- Has just as much 'off road' ability as the X4.
- If they can live with the looks of the X4 then they can live with the looks of the 2AT
Oz83 said:
Well even if the X4 is less dynamic than a 4 series or a 3 series tourer, you can bet it will still be a more entertaining steer than a Q5 or the GLK, so that rules those out.
Evoque - great car no doubt, but I see too many young, platinum blondes driving these to even consider one.
Macan - it would definitely be a consideration but a diesel makes more sense in this car and the 35d wipes the floor with the Macan diesel (over a second quicker to 62). I guess a test drive would make your mind up on this point. It would be interesting to see how they stack up on price once specced up too.
I was just pointing out that, with your criteria, you've created a niche within a niche within a niche, and then still half a dozen cars remain (not to mention their variants).Evoque - great car no doubt, but I see too many young, platinum blondes driving these to even consider one.
Macan - it would definitely be a consideration but a diesel makes more sense in this car and the 35d wipes the floor with the Macan diesel (over a second quicker to 62). I guess a test drive would make your mind up on this point. It would be interesting to see how they stack up on price once specced up too.
It's clear that you have your mind set on it and you don't mind the looks of it, which is ok, but from what I read from your post I get the feeling you're blinded by the BMW badge for some reason. When pontiac releases the Aztec the whole world laughs, BMW launches cars like this on a regular basis these days (heck, the new Rodius actually looks better than half of BMW's line up), yet people still take them serious when they launch them, I find it mildly disturbing.
Again, if you don't mind the looks that's ok, but some on here actually pretend it doesn't look bad, which I, with the best intentions of the world, can't see.
ZesPak said:
I was just pointing out that, with your criteria, you've created a niche within a niche within a niche, and then still half a dozen cars remain (not to mention their variants).
It's clear that you have your mind set on it and you don't mind the looks of it, which is ok, but from what I read from your post I get the feeling you're blinded by the BMW badge for some reason. When pontiac releases the Aztec the whole world laughs, BMW launches cars like this on a regular basis these days (heck, the new Rodius actually looks better than half of BMW's line up), yet people still take them serious when they launch them, I find it mildly disturbing.
Again, if you don't mind the looks that's ok, but some on here actually pretend it doesn't look bad, which I, with the best intentions of the world, can't see.
Pontiac Aztec - now that is a car that any aspiring drug dealer would want to be behind the wheel of :-)It's clear that you have your mind set on it and you don't mind the looks of it, which is ok, but from what I read from your post I get the feeling you're blinded by the BMW badge for some reason. When pontiac releases the Aztec the whole world laughs, BMW launches cars like this on a regular basis these days (heck, the new Rodius actually looks better than half of BMW's line up), yet people still take them serious when they launch them, I find it mildly disturbing.
Again, if you don't mind the looks that's ok, but some on here actually pretend it doesn't look bad, which I, with the best intentions of the world, can't see.
I guess the looks are subjective. To be honest I don't think the X4 is a pretty car, but then are any current BMWs (6 series gran coupe excepted)? I think the X4 has an aggressive appearance that suits it's purpose. On the other hand I think the X3 has really weak styling for an SUV.
We are talking about a BMW here so the comparison has to be made to other premium brands. I have no doubt that some lower priced marques would offer the same sort of practicality, but they certainly don't offer the same spec of engines/tech/efficiency/luxury that are available from the premium brands. Of the premium brands, BMW would be my choice due to their reputation for producing good drivers' cars. This may seem like an apparent contradiction when discussing the X4, but I reckon it will be a better handling car than it's rivals, maybe not the Macan, but then price and engine options do come into play. A test drive of both would be needed, or maybe a Chris Harris video?
What a horrible horrible thing that is!
These will be bought by the same sort of idiots who think a TVR is a 'a real drivers car' or those who think an Aston 'is a timeless elegant design' or those that say 'It had to be a Volvo, I do 50k miles a week and no other seat can compare for comfort' or the Porsche owner who buys it because 'It combines the classic with the new' or the Alfa owner says 'it gives me that little bit of the Italian Lakes in Doncaster' or the.........
At the end of the day the more choice out there the better.
I don't get why someone would want a 2 seater cab when they offer it in coupe form, I don't get why someone would buy an R8 over a 911, I don't get why someone would buy a TVR over.......a go kart or BMX, but I do get that is what they wanted and that is why they bought it, and good on 'em.
Choice is a great thing, keep it coming.
These will be bought by the same sort of idiots who think a TVR is a 'a real drivers car' or those who think an Aston 'is a timeless elegant design' or those that say 'It had to be a Volvo, I do 50k miles a week and no other seat can compare for comfort' or the Porsche owner who buys it because 'It combines the classic with the new' or the Alfa owner says 'it gives me that little bit of the Italian Lakes in Doncaster' or the.........
At the end of the day the more choice out there the better.
I don't get why someone would want a 2 seater cab when they offer it in coupe form, I don't get why someone would buy an R8 over a 911, I don't get why someone would buy a TVR over.......a go kart or BMX, but I do get that is what they wanted and that is why they bought it, and good on 'em.
Choice is a great thing, keep it coming.
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