Fiesta 1.0 Ecoboost 125

[kathyp]

Untalented82 said:

I'll echo some of the above points about quality etc. The missus is swapping her fista for volvo V40 in the middle of next month. (Same spec not engine) and the quality difference is like night and day, now I know it's hardly like for like but but its her first and last ford. It rattles to buggery. Glove box, A pillar,very loud climate control and the worse is the sodding parcel shelf, that thing is grating to say the least. Now before anyone says its a duff one, we have been in 3-4, others (friends, family and loaner) and they have all had very similar groans and sqeaks. Esp the climate

the demonstrator I went out in only had a couple of hundred miles but I noticed a rattle from the top of the dashboard near the windscreen pretty much straight away and that was just on a test drive when you're taking in lots of other information.

mentioned it to dealer sat alongside, he just laughed and said it was nothing to worry about!

seems par for the course with these then unless you're fortunate.

[arun1uk]

Agent51 said:

I ordered a 2014 MY Titanium X last month for the Mrs. I was told by the dealers the reversing camera is no longer fitted on the Titanium X? with Nav, even though it says so in the brochure. But I was also told June delivery and its already on the boat, so should be here next week - then I will know for sure. Apparently Ford just add or withdraw stuff as and when they like?

That's really strange...my dealer confirmed that it was all included! But yes, I agree - Ford seem to chop and change whenever is convenient for them, and at £18k it should be very well equipped!!!

[Bill]

A reversing camera on a Fiesta?

[kathyp]

arun1uk said:

at £18k it should be very well equipped!!!

haha I thought you'd said 18K for a 1.0 fiesta for a minute there!


....you did?



oh.

[ORD]

kathyp said:

arun1uk said:

at £18k it should be very well equipped!!!

haha I thought you'd said 18K for a 1.0 fiesta for a minute there!


....you did?



oh.

For the same money (just about) you could get a decent 2 litre engine (in the new Mazda 3).

[budgie smuggler]

ORD said:

For the same money (just about) you could get a decent 2 litre engine (in the new Mazda 3).

The Fiesta has roughly the same peak power, and probably makes a higher proportion of it over the rev range.
I wonder how Mazda only managed to get 120PS out of a 2 litre engine?

[AnotherClarkey]

budgie smuggler said:

ORD said:

For the same money (just about) you could get a decent 2 litre engine (in the new Mazda 3).

The Fiesta has roughly the same peak power, and probably makes a higher proportion of it over the rev range.
I wonder how Mazda only managed to get 120PS out of a 2 litre engine?

By designing their 2 litre engine so that it achieves basically the same real world economy as a 1 litre Fiesta, despite it being fitted in a bigger car.

[Rawwr]

hora said:

Are we talking about the 1.0 turbo Ecoboost Fiesta?

If so- I had one for a long distance trip over a long weekend last year. I got nowhere near the claimed mpg figures. 35mpg averaged. No better, good on motorway/in general etc and good space inside. I 'think' the new Fiesta is akin insize to the MK1 Focus? Certain looks the same size.

How on earth were you driving it to average 35mpg over a long distance trip?

I break into a rash if I drop below 55mpg average.

[NPI]

Agent51 said:

arun1uk said:

Bravo Sir....Bravo.

Thanks for the updates, mine is due to arrive in July - quite a long lead time. When I ordered, there was a transition which was quite confusing. I went to one dealer, he gave me a brochure but couldn't offer a test drive, so went to another, got a test drive and another brochure too. When I got back and compared them, they were totally different! Different colours, spec etc - quite strange.

So, the 2014MY Titanium X has the reversing camera, folding mirrors with puddles lights and rear parking sensors as standard, along with some different materials in the cabin. Should be good and very well specced when it arrives but I am conscious about the Sync unit as I've heard some big problems with it.

I ordered a 2014 MY Titanium X last month for the Mrs. I was told by the dealers the reversing camera is no longer fitted on the Titanium X? with Nav, even though it says so in the brochure. But I was also told June delivery and its already on the boat, so should be here next week - then I will know for sure. Apparently Ford just add or withdraw stuff as and when they like?

We didn't buy a Fiesta because of this - most companies have model years - apparently Ford has model quarters. So you get 2014.5 and .75 cars and the dealers say they don't know what they're getting until they arrive.

[mnkiboy]

kathyp said:

arun1uk said:

at £18k it should be very well equipped!!!

haha I thought you'd said 18K for a 1.0 fiesta for a minute there!


....you did?



oh.

It might say £18K on the website, but nobody in their right mind would pay anything like that. One well known website has the 5dr Titanium X up for £13200.

[budgie smuggler]

AnotherClarkey said:

budgie smuggler said:

ORD said:

For the same money (just about) you could get a decent 2 litre engine (in the new Mazda 3).

The Fiesta has roughly the same peak power, and probably makes a higher proportion of it over the rev range.
I wonder how Mazda only managed to get 120PS out of a 2 litre engine?

By designing their 2 litre engine so that it achieves basically the same real world economy as a 1 litre Fiesta, despite it being fitted in a bigger car.

Except every review I can find of the 2 litre Mazda describes it as lacking shove for everyday driving, in contrast to the Fiesta.

carmagazine on the Mazda said:

The fact that this car doesn’t use a turbocharger for its extra shove gives it a much crisper throttle response than its downsized force-induction rivals. Nevertheless, the 3 suffers a lack of mid-range urge, thwarting opportunistic overtakes that a TSI-powered Golf or Ecoboost Focus would gobble up. And more horses haven’t improved the engine’s singing voice either, which is as uninspiring here as it is in the lower-powered version. In short, this most powerful of Mazda 3s just doesn’t feel as nippy as we’d hoped.

evo on the Fiesta said:

Bring the three-pot engine to life and its sound is more refined than a Fiat or Alfa Romeo TwinAir’s off-beat warble. As you move away it’s obvious that this is indeed a very refined unit, comparable to the best four-cylinder engines out there. I’m pleasantly surprised by the amount of urge available too. Spinning up the turbo is absurdly easy and you revel in the instant surge of torque.

[smifffymoto]

If you are looking at a Fiesta I would strongly advise looking at the B-max as well.It is quite possibly the most practical car we have owned,rear sliding doors,no B pillars etc.

[AnotherClarkey]

budgie smuggler said:

AnotherClarkey said:

budgie smuggler said:

ORD said:

For the same money (just about) you could get a decent 2 litre engine (in the new Mazda 3).

The Fiesta has roughly the same peak power, and probably makes a higher proportion of it over the rev range.
I wonder how Mazda only managed to get 120PS out of a 2 litre engine?

By designing their 2 litre engine so that it achieves basically the same real world economy as a 1 litre Fiesta, despite it being fitted in a bigger car.

Except every review I can find of the 2 litre Mazda describes it as lacking shove for everyday driving, in contrast to the Fiesta.

carmagazine on the Mazda said:

The fact that this car doesn’t use a turbocharger for its extra shove gives it a much crisper throttle response than its downsized force-induction rivals. Nevertheless, the 3 suffers a lack of mid-range urge, thwarting opportunistic overtakes that a TSI-powered Golf or Ecoboost Focus would gobble up. And more horses haven’t improved the engine’s singing voice either, which is as uninspiring here as it is in the lower-powered version. In short, this most powerful of Mazda 3s just doesn’t feel as nippy as we’d hoped.

evo on the Fiesta said:

Bring the three-pot engine to life and its sound is more refined than a Fiat or Alfa Romeo TwinAir’s off-beat warble. As you move away it’s obvious that this is indeed a very refined unit, comparable to the best four-cylinder engines out there. I’m pleasantly surprised by the amount of urge available too. Spinning up the turbo is absurdly easy and you revel in the instant surge of torque.

Are you doubting that it has 120hp or are you just drawing attention to the fact that it has the normal characteristics of a naturally aspirated engine?

[budgie smuggler]

AnotherClarkey said:

budgie smuggler said:

AnotherClarkey said:

budgie smuggler said:

ORD said:

For the same money (just about) you could get a decent 2 litre engine (in the new Mazda 3).

The Fiesta has roughly the same peak power, and probably makes a higher proportion of it over the rev range.
I wonder how Mazda only managed to get 120PS out of a 2 litre engine?

By designing their 2 litre engine so that it achieves basically the same real world economy as a 1 litre Fiesta, despite it being fitted in a bigger car.

Except every review I can find of the 2 litre Mazda describes it as lacking shove for everyday driving, in contrast to the Fiesta.

carmagazine on the Mazda said:

The fact that this car doesn’t use a turbocharger for its extra shove gives it a much crisper throttle response than its downsized force-induction rivals. Nevertheless, the 3 suffers a lack of mid-range urge, thwarting opportunistic overtakes that a TSI-powered Golf or Ecoboost Focus would gobble up. And more horses haven’t improved the engine’s singing voice either, which is as uninspiring here as it is in the lower-powered version. In short, this most powerful of Mazda 3s just doesn’t feel as nippy as we’d hoped.

evo on the Fiesta said:

Bring the three-pot engine to life and its sound is more refined than a Fiat or Alfa Romeo TwinAir’s off-beat warble. As you move away it’s obvious that this is indeed a very refined unit, comparable to the best four-cylinder engines out there. I’m pleasantly surprised by the amount of urge available too. Spinning up the turbo is absurdly easy and you revel in the instant surge of torque.

Are you doubting that it has 120hp or are you just drawing attention to the fact that it has the normal characteristics of a naturally aspirated engine?

No, what I'm saying is the fact that a 2 litre engine in a different (and lower specced) car is around the same list price is neither here nor there. And in any case, even a cursory look at the reviews reveal that it is not nearly as highly regarded as the Fiesta.

[AnotherClarkey]

budgie smuggler said:

No, what I'm saying is the fact that a 2 litre engine in a different (and lower specced) car is around the same list price is neither here nor there. And in any case, even a cursory look at the reviews reveal that it is not nearly as highly regarded as the Fiesta.

Sorry, I didn't realise that you were trying to say all of that, I was merely answering your question "I wonder how Mazda only managed to get 120PS out of a 2 litre engine?".

[valiant]

hora said:

Are we talking about the 1.0 turbo Ecoboost Fiesta?

If so- I had one for a long distance trip over a long weekend last year. I got nowhere near the claimed mpg figures. 35mpg averaged. No better, good on motorway/in general etc and good space inside. I 'think' the new Fiesta is akin insize to the MK1 Focus? Certain looks the same size.

Your's must be broken.

I have the heavier 100bhp Focus and had a 200 mile jaunt the other day and achieved an average 47mpg (according to the trip computer). Even on my normal routine of constant stop start short London trips I get nearly 40mpg.

Agreed it's no way near claimed by Ford though...

[budgie smuggler]

AnotherClarkey said:

Sorry, I didn't realise that you were trying to say all of that, I was merely answering your question "I wonder how Mazda only managed to get 120PS out of a 2 litre engine?".

Sorry, long day!

[Shurv]

I'm amazed folk are buying these things in their thousands, they are clearly poorly put together out of cheap components, and the dealer network don't seem to give a t*ss. It makes me laugh when a shytebox like this lists for £18k and then folk on PH get all shouty when something genuinely good, like the GT86, gets seriously flamed for being £25k. We have had a 1.33 Yaris for 2.5 years, it does 45 to 50mpg,more if you are careful, it sits quite happily at highly illegal speeds on the motorway, it has a full infotainment system with built in nav etc. Nothing has creaked, fallen off, broken or given any dissatisfaction. The only thing it has needed is,so far, 2 services, both free. The dealer network are really good too.It might not be as entertaining as the ford, but at least it works. I know I'm going to get the "Toyota's are boring" line, but you know what, they're ok. I know where I'm going to spend my cash next time.

[BlueJazz]

I've yet to take my Fiesta to a Ford dealership, are they really that bad?

[chris watton]

£18k for a Fiesta

And they seem as well put together as my new £3k Fiesta I bought after passing my test in '88!

Imagine just how many of those electronic trinkets will stop working once out of warranty, too.....