SOS - Tyre Nightmare - Please Help

[Orangecurry]

BritishRacinGrin said:

...Your larger, heavier summer wheels will...

No - the OP states they are the same wheels, with (I hope) the same size summer tyres, but fitted by (it sounds like) monkeys.

1) afaik all modern wheel rim profiles are the same (is it J ?) and can have RFT or normal tyres fitted without issue. You need to check your rims can do either, unless you know they can from last summer of course.

2) take the car somewhere else and get someone who knows what they are doing to balance the wheels, check the mating surface, torque the wheels correctly and get the tyre pressures correct.

3) it is possible that one of your new tyres has a fault. A tyreist who knows what they are doing should be able to help with this.

[Monty Python]

utterly83 said:

I forgot to mention that this problem occured after they removed and refitted the wheels after failing to remove the winter tyres. Their run flat tyre specialist had the day off, they tried to remove the winters but failed and refitted them, so i had to come back another day to have the summer fitted.

This problem was present with the winter tyres, once they had refitted the wheels on day 1, sso i know it is not the summer tyres.

What do you mean by "tried to remove the winters but failed and refitted them" - do you mean they just took the wheels off then put them back on again, or did they remove the winter tyres, then put them back on again?

[utterly83]

Yes same set of wheels, same size tyres. BMW 208M wheels

I will get the car back and take it somewhere reassuringly expensive with a hunter laser alignment rig. Thanks everyone.

[Monty Python]

Before you do that, just get the balance checked - some wheels are very sensitive to where the weights are placed. Some are okay with them just along the centre line while others need them on the inside rim as well.

[caiss4]

Monty Python said:

What do you mean by "tried to remove the winters but failed and refitted them" - do you mean they just took the wheels off then put them back on again, or did they remove the winter tyres, then put them back on again?

So you say that the problem arose after this attempt to remove the winter tyres and you noticed when the winter tyres were put back on the car?

Sounds to me that they might have damaged the rims in an attempt to get the winter tyres off.

[Ynox]

If in Cardiff - I've had reasonable luck with Heath Tyres, Cardiff Tyre Centre and Atlas Tyres. Would recommend these.

Got to echo the comments about going back to the Winter tyres and seeing if the problem exists. Maybe also try swapping front and rear if they're the same size on a 130.

[V8forweekends]

Jack the car up (safely), place a piece of wood under the wheel, spin. I've done this on three cars and found either a pair or a single misshapen tyre(s).

[Megaflow]

utterly83 said:

Thanks everyone.

It is a BMW 130i

I had the tyres changed - I only have 1 set of wheels, with no spare.
Spigots, wheels bolts etc all unchanged.
They have had the wheels on/off the car 3 times now to check the wheels/tyres.
When I get the car back tonight, I will check the torque of the bolts.
The summer tyres are brand new goodyear eagle f1's

They are non-runflat tyres on a wheel designed for runflat tyres - however, every petrol head worth his salt bins the rft's so i doubt this is the problem.

I will get it aligned tomorrow on a local hunter rig. I am in Cardiff if anyone can recommend a local indy garage?

Brand new tyres, as in never fitted to this or any other car before? If so, I suggest a dodgy tyre, rare but it does happen.

[Rick Cutler]

It could have been when the winter tyres were fitted they adjusted the tracking. After changing the tyres the tracking could be even worse therefor more noticable.

I would get the tyres are fitted correctly.

Get the wheels rebalanced

Get complete 4 wheel alignment done.

[JeffreyB]

Sounds like a difficulty I had recently. No amount of balancing/re-balancing would solve it. Eventually I swapped the front wheels with the rears and the problem vanished. I can only surmise that, in my case, one of the wheels has a slight run-out which doesn't cause a problem on the rear.
Good luck!

[utterly83]

caiss4 said:

So you say that the problem arose after this attempt to remove the winter tyres and you noticed when the winter tyres were put back on the car?

Sounds to me that they might have damaged the rims in an attempt to get the winter tyres off.

They had all the wheels off, tried to remove one tyre, failed and put all the wheels back on. The shaking started on this day.

On the next visit they got the summer tyres on, shaking still present.

When looking at the winter tyres now that they have been removed, they have destroyed one of the winter tyres by pulling the bead through the tyre where it touches the rim and marked one of the wheels 50% of the way around the rim- which they are denying. So I think the damage must have happened when they tried to remove the winter tyres.

I cant imagine how you could damage a wheel like this though? It seems the only logical explanation.

[Orangecurry]

utterly83 said:

This problem was present with the winter tyres, once they had refitted the wheels on day 1, sso i know it is not the summer tyres.

Apologies I missed this.

Then you already have your answer - they've fked one of your wheels, and winter tyre.

[rallycross]

you are getting some real duff suggestions on this thread, it wont be the tracking or bushes etc if was not doing it before.

sounds like a damaged rim when they tried to remove the tyre.

[Herbs]

My car is in the garage today having the runflats replaced with Michelin PSS and the state of my wheel was shocking - a crack and a few buckles which when put on the machine stood out like a sore thumb but it rode fine and was never noticed.

It is currently being sorted by a wheel specialist so a buckled wheel which was hidden by the RFT would be the place I put my money on now especially as it is happening once the tyres are warmer/softer.

Keep us updated.

[utterly83]

rallycross said:

it wont be the tracking or bushes etc if was not doing it before.

sounds like a damaged rim when they tried to remove the tyre.

I think this is probably right.. i will take it somewhere else and get them to inspect the wheel. Thanks.

[RKi]

You might find this thread interesting OP. http://lancerregister.com/showthread.php?t=417406

I had some Eagle f1's fitted to my car and experienced vibration through the steering wheel. Had my tyres rebalanced twice and the problem never went away. SO i fitted the tyres to another set of wheels i had and now all is fine. The wheels the f1's were originally fitted to are fine with other types of tyre....truly bizarre :s

[utterly83]

RKi said:

You might find this thread interesting OP. http://lancerregister.com/showthread.php?t=417406

I had some Eagle f1's fitted to my car and experienced vibration through the steering wheel. Had my tyres rebalanced twice and the problem never went away. SO i fitted the tyres to another set of wheels i had and now all is fine. The wheels the f1's were originally fitted to are fine with other types of tyre....truly bizarre :s

Its a shame that they didn't find a fix...

I have had all four tyres rebalanced, the rears were removed from the wheels, wheels inspected, refitted. wheels, tyres all run straight and true. Brand new hunter wheel balancing machine, recently calibrated kind of rules out the tyres and wheels I think?

It still shakes after 5mins at 70mph.

Might it be a bush or bearing?

[Faxo]

Is it through the steering wheel, or full car?

At work (Audi), Q3s have a problem with vibration, and it's the front arm rear bushes

Also, it's been lifted - trying to think of something that would've moved/been disturbed when lifted

The only thing I can think of is a driveshaft - if it's through the wheel, then this can be discounted. However, it's its through the car, I'd maybe start to question the rear driveshafts - it'd have to be a massive coincidence, but stranger things have happened

[utterly83]

Faxo said:

Is it through the steering wheel, or full car?

At work (Audi), Q3s have a problem with vibration, and it's the front arm rear bushes

Also, it's been lifted - trying to think of something that would've moved/been disturbed when lifted

The only thing I can think of is a driveshaft - if it's through the wheel, then this can be discounted. However, it's its through the car, I'd maybe start to question the rear driveshafts - it'd have to be a massive coincidence, but stranger things have happened

Good thinking, thanks. It is through the whole car, not the steering wheel. It was on a lift, rather than jacks. I think I will check the driveshafts for run out, any idea what the runout should be on a drive shaft?

[rallycross]

it wont be a drive shaft on a low milege bmw.
I had a wierd wheel wobble only when warm on an audi TT quattro, which was a front drive shaft / cv joint failing, so it needed 10 minutes drive to get hot enough to cause the vibration which was so severve you could only crawl along at 20 mph once it started. A bmw would not be able to do that. Still think its a bent / damaged wheel, if its a wonky tyre you should be able to eliminate it by swapping fronts to rears as the rear disguises a damaged tyre/tyre bulge relative to when its fitted on the front.